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Greed Island Mafia |OT|: *Insert joke here*
- Thread starter Fran
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This post is more aesthetically pleasing than it has any right to be...VOTE: B-Dubs
VOTE: B-Dubs
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VOTE: B-Dubs
VOTE: B-Dubs
VOTE: B-Dubs
VOTE: B-Dubs
For context: Retro's post originally just said "Please stand by"
Day 3 ends
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==== DAY 3 VOTES ====
Day Start
B-Dubs (7 votes)
Dr. Monkey - #2,606 #2,980
Natiko - #2,609 #3,083
Zippedpinhead - #2,616 #2,619
Zippedpinhead - #2,619 #2,652
empressdonna - #2,648
Zippedpinhead - #2,665 #2,984
Kyanrute - #2,993
Zippedpinhead - #3,015
Aeleus - #3,041
Dr. Monkey - #3,064
Natiko - #3,083
Blargonaut - #3,096 #3,096
Blargonaut - #3,096 #3,097
Blargonaut - #3,097 #3,097
Blargonaut - #3,097 #3,097
Blargonaut - #3,097 #3,097
Blargonaut - #3,097 #3,097
Blargonaut - #3,097 #3,097
Blargonaut - #3,097 #3,097
Blargonaut - #3,097 #3,097
Blargonaut - #3,097 #3,097
Blargonaut - #3,097 #3,097
Blargonaut - #3,097 #3,097
Blargonaut - #3,097 #3,097
Blargonaut - #3,097 #3,097
Blargonaut - #3,097 #3,097
Blargonaut - #3,097 #3,097
Blargonaut - #3,097 #3,097
Blargonaut - #3,097
Blargonaut (1 votes)
malus - #2,997
Zippedpinhead (1 votes)
Royal_Flush - #2,981
Natiko (0 votes)
Blargonaut - #2,774 #2,774
malus (0 votes)
Zippedpinhead - #2,984 #3,015
Blargonaut - #3,000 #3,096
Muffin (0 votes)
Dr. Monkey - #2,980 #3,064
Muffin - #2,988 #3,018
Not voting: Gorlak, Verelios, B-Dubs, Muffin
Post Counts:
Dr. Monkey: 126 Blargonaut: 63 Royal_Flush: 41 Natiko: 40 Verelios: 40 Zippedpinhead: 36 Muffin: 33 empressdonna: 29 Kyanrute: 27 malus: 23 Aeleus: 18 SalvaPot: 11 Gorlak: 11
Current Countdown:
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Day Start
B-Dubs (7 votes)
empressdonna - #2,648
Kyanrute - #2,993
Zippedpinhead - #3,015
Aeleus - #3,041
Dr. Monkey - #3,064
Natiko - #3,083
Blargonaut - #3,097
Blargonaut (1 votes)
malus - #2,997
Zippedpinhead (1 votes)
Royal_Flush - #2,981
Natiko (0 votes)
malus (0 votes)
Muffin (0 votes)
Not voting: Gorlak, Verelios, B-Dubs, Muffin
Post Counts:
Dr. Monkey: 126 Blargonaut: 63 Royal_Flush: 41 Natiko: 40 Verelios: 40 Zippedpinhead: 36 Muffin: 33 empressdonna: 29 Kyanrute: 27 malus: 23 Aeleus: 18 SalvaPot: 11 Gorlak: 11
Current Countdown:
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B-Dubs has died
Night 3 Begins
Night 3 ends in:
Night actions will be accepted until 2 hours before day start.
Night 3 Begins
Night 3 ends in:
Night actions will be accepted until 2 hours before day start.
Day 4 begins
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*Here is my pre-typed post*
Hey everyone, I have been thinking about how successful Dr. Monkey and Natiko were at figuring out the role stealer was scum, and that it was B-Dubs.
The only problem is the timing of the roles being taken. First was Sorian's role during day 2, and then we all noticed Day 3 that Geno's was gone too, and no one else's disappeared. Does this mean that B-Dubs Didn't take Turm's role, it wasn't cleaned up and the other roles were.
wouldn't Geno's role have disappeared day 2 if B-Dubs had stolen it and invited Dr. Monkey and Natiko? Janitor type roles are confusing, however it is also possible that the Janitor job is not related to B-Dubs role (Its not there in the PM, and there is no indication that his stealing would clean up the old role PMs). But if B-Dubs' role stole the nen as part of the role stealing action and what Dr. Monkey and Natiko were saying is true, than Geno's role should have disappeared during day 2 and NOT during day 3.
Point I am making is simple, Dr. monkey and Natiko have earned massive town points by hammering B-Dubs and I think they are right about Muffin as well. However, the first ITA game would make be one HECK of a gambit to waste a known BP on one scum buddy and then to use your other scum buddies role against them in the main thread to outright Kill that Scumbuddy. It would also make it so that B-Dubs wouldn't have HAD to show that Geno's role was gone until day 3 in order to make it work, he (B-Dubs) definitely had access to steal all the dead roles from day 2 on day 2 and I think only would have to decide which two to keep on Day 3 morning. But it still doesn't explain the janitor cleanup, its just not in the role so I have to assume its part of another role, which makes Dr. Monkey look worse than Natiko since she accidentally caused the tie that saved Scum B-dubs on day 2.
There are flaws here though, sorian's role was cleaned up and I can't see that it was used (though I will admit I don't REALLY remember what it did), same with Stuart's role (which I KNOW was a shot and an investigate). Unless B-Dubs just wasn't here and couldn't use that shot, why was it cleaned up? Scum always shoots when they are dying it doesn't makes sense. It makes WAY more sense if the janitor is separate from B-dubs, and that B-Dubs Didn't actually take Stu's shot because he wanted to use Sorian's later and/or one of the other roles.
It's also possible the janitor role is a town role designed to hard counter B-dubs (that you can't take an ability that is no longer there) but that is something that makes sense when the mod balances roles but we created our own abilities, which to me makes me think of it as a scum role. It obviously had at least three shots,
I still think they are town, it is just TOO convoluted for it to be true (Occam's Razor and all that). but I had this thought yesterday at day end and had to type it up. Best way for scum to hide is to be the town leader that gets scum lynched.
As for me...
Hey everyone, I have been thinking about how successful Dr. Monkey and Natiko were at figuring out the role stealer was scum, and that it was B-Dubs.
The only problem is the timing of the roles being taken. First was Sorian's role during day 2, and then we all noticed Day 3 that Geno's was gone too, and no one else's disappeared. Does this mean that B-Dubs Didn't take Turm's role, it wasn't cleaned up and the other roles were.
wouldn't Geno's role have disappeared day 2 if B-Dubs had stolen it and invited Dr. Monkey and Natiko? Janitor type roles are confusing, however it is also possible that the Janitor job is not related to B-Dubs role (Its not there in the PM, and there is no indication that his stealing would clean up the old role PMs). But if B-Dubs' role stole the nen as part of the role stealing action and what Dr. Monkey and Natiko were saying is true, than Geno's role should have disappeared during day 2 and NOT during day 3.
Point I am making is simple, Dr. monkey and Natiko have earned massive town points by hammering B-Dubs and I think they are right about Muffin as well. However, the first ITA game would make be one HECK of a gambit to waste a known BP on one scum buddy and then to use your other scum buddies role against them in the main thread to outright Kill that Scumbuddy. It would also make it so that B-Dubs wouldn't have HAD to show that Geno's role was gone until day 3 in order to make it work, he (B-Dubs) definitely had access to steal all the dead roles from day 2 on day 2 and I think only would have to decide which two to keep on Day 3 morning. But it still doesn't explain the janitor cleanup, its just not in the role so I have to assume its part of another role, which makes Dr. Monkey look worse than Natiko since she accidentally caused the tie that saved Scum B-dubs on day 2.
There are flaws here though, sorian's role was cleaned up and I can't see that it was used (though I will admit I don't REALLY remember what it did), same with Stuart's role (which I KNOW was a shot and an investigate). Unless B-Dubs just wasn't here and couldn't use that shot, why was it cleaned up? Scum always shoots when they are dying it doesn't makes sense. It makes WAY more sense if the janitor is separate from B-dubs, and that B-Dubs Didn't actually take Stu's shot because he wanted to use Sorian's later and/or one of the other roles.
It's also possible the janitor role is a town role designed to hard counter B-dubs (that you can't take an ability that is no longer there) but that is something that makes sense when the mod balances roles but we created our own abilities, which to me makes me think of it as a scum role. It obviously had at least three shots,
I still think they are town, it is just TOO convoluted for it to be true (Occam's Razor and all that). but I had this thought yesterday at day end and had to type it up. Best way for scum to hide is to be the town leader that gets scum lynched.
As for me...
For all of Malus' hand-wringing his role was still quite useful. Presumably one of our confirmed/essentially confirmed town just got saved and we have a big data point to re-assess with. Sorry for giving you such a hard time, but you did good. I had done some vote analysis, but I need to add this in and see where that takes me.
So Malus's role really did depend on the BP, but you were far from vanilla town, Bodyguarding is incredibly important and you likely saved town.
Job well done Malus, I'm personally sorry I doubted you.
Job well done Malus, I'm personally sorry I doubted you.
It's way too late to be cooking and now I even have to interrupt it to learn the NK, but what you gonna do... At least that settles that. Told you a bulletproof Scum role doesn't make sense.
Zippedpinhead Why would dubs want to use Sorian's role?
Anyway, I'll finish making that coleslaw now, will be back soon.
Zippedpinhead Why would dubs want to use Sorian's role?
Anyway, I'll finish making that coleslaw now, will be back soon.
I- I think I'm at blink once. If I'm picking up what you're putting down.
Anyway, before I'm asked: I didn't use my power and don't plan to right now for the same reasons I gave yesterday. Eventually I will flip and y'all will understand, or I will use it. One of the two.
The Claim List: DIY edition (presented by Aeleus)
Verified Powers List:
-Sorian, Linked Cop: Checks 2 players each night to find if they share alignmen. Emitter.
-Turmoil, 2-shot Switcher: Manipulator?
-Geno, Lantern Master: Each day adds two players to a permanent gossip chat with geno, if a town player in the chat dies they enter a special dead chat with geno, targeted Muffin and Sawneeks D1. Transmuter?
-Stu, Insane Killer: Had 3 cop shots, 1 day vig shot (to be used by D3 and couldn't target a invest target) and an activatable BP vest, shot Sorian D1 and green checked Verelios N1. Conjurer.
-Sawneeks, Ghostly Emissary: Learnt Royal was town at start of game, each night would track a player but would only find results post death. Had a 1-shot role name cop but only worked if target visits or was visited, no movement on Kyan N1, action failed on Natiko N2. Transmuter?
-Nin, Ninphomaniac: Became lovers with a chosen target N1 (Sawneeks) and is given a gossip chat with them + 1-shot BP. Enhancer/Transmuter?
-Malus, Morally Ambiguous Enhanced Bodyguard : BG with 1-shot BP vest, if there was more than one kill only Malus's target would die even if they weren't the kill target.
-B-Dubs, Scum Role Pillager: Took the power of the most recently killed players and could use them as 1-shot abilities. Powers could be stored for later use, but only 2 powers could be held at any one time and must be decided at the start of the day. Had a 1-shot switch (used on ???), used a gossip invite on Monkey and Natiko D2, wasn't around for D3. Conjurer?
-Kalor, Vote Hoarder: Planted a bomb on target who would die 24hrs into next day phase, Kalor would get a point for every vote on the target when they died and winned with 10 points. Specialist?
Claimed Powers List:
-Dr. Monkey, ITA creator: Can start an ITA mini game with a 10% hit chance at the beginning of the day, mini game lasts 24 hours. Emitter.
-Natiko, ITA Creator and Master: Can start an ITA mini game with a 10% hit chance at the beginning of the day, mini game lasts 24 hours. Boosts theirs and a targets hit chance to 100%. Ability verified D2, no-one hit with a random shot. Emitter.
-Royal, ???: Targeted Monkey and Kalor N1, power seems to come into affect after target dies.
-Aeleus, The Board: At the start of the game learnt Donna was town, has multiple different abilities to protect her to be chosen near day start. Can use abilities after dying. Protected Donna from day kills D3. Enhancer
Mysteries:
The vote locker: At some point in D2 Salva couldn't unvote Stu and Blarg couldn't unvote blarg, causing stu to die. Almost certainly a scum ability.
The package: N3 Aeleus claims to have received a package, does not know what it does.
Case Closed:
The hijacked powers!: It was initially thought Monkeys power had been hijacked but it turned out that her's and Natiko's were just very similar. Sawneeks role also seems to share similarities to the director mystery but seems unrelated.
The Director: Donna was told they were the director at game start and Aeleus was told that Donna was the director, was town and that something bad would happen to them if Donna was lunched. Aeleus now claims it was their power and they were just lying to keep their claim secret but protect Donna.
The post mortem vaniliser: B-Dubs role implies he was taking the roles of dead players, suggesting why they were being scrubbed clean. Might be another ability though.
ITA results:
Dr. Monkey -> Kalor [Neutral]: Hit and killed!
Natiko -> Malus: Hit and survived...
B-Dubs [Scum] -> Zipped: Miss
Sneeks [Town] -> Malus: Miss
Bear/Nin [Town] -> Nin [Town]: Miss
Stu [Town] -> Kalor [Neutral]: Miss
Donna [Town?] -> Blargonaut: Miss
Royal [Town?] -> Kalor [Neutral]: Miss
Blargonaut -> Donna [Town?]: Miss
SalvaPot/Gorlak -> Stu [Town]: Miss
Muffin -> Kalor [Neutral]: Miss
Verelios -> Blargonaut: Miss
malus -> Zipped: Miss
Zipped -> Muffin: Miss
Aeleus -> Zipped: Miss
Kyanrute -> Muffin: Miss
Kalor [Neutral] -> Zipped: Miss
Verified Powers List:
-Sorian, Linked Cop: Checks 2 players each night to find if they share alignmen. Emitter.
-Turmoil, 2-shot Switcher: Manipulator?
-Geno, Lantern Master: Each day adds two players to a permanent gossip chat with geno, if a town player in the chat dies they enter a special dead chat with geno, targeted Muffin and Sawneeks D1. Transmuter?
-Stu, Insane Killer: Had 3 cop shots, 1 day vig shot (to be used by D3 and couldn't target a invest target) and an activatable BP vest, shot Sorian D1 and green checked Verelios N1. Conjurer.
-Sawneeks, Ghostly Emissary: Learnt Royal was town at start of game, each night would track a player but would only find results post death. Had a 1-shot role name cop but only worked if target visits or was visited, no movement on Kyan N1, action failed on Natiko N2. Transmuter?
-Nin, Ninphomaniac: Became lovers with a chosen target N1 (Sawneeks) and is given a gossip chat with them + 1-shot BP. Enhancer/Transmuter?
-Malus, Morally Ambiguous Enhanced Bodyguard : BG with 1-shot BP vest, if there was more than one kill only Malus's target would die even if they weren't the kill target.
-B-Dubs, Scum Role Pillager: Took the power of the most recently killed players and could use them as 1-shot abilities. Powers could be stored for later use, but only 2 powers could be held at any one time and must be decided at the start of the day. Had a 1-shot switch (used on ???), used a gossip invite on Monkey and Natiko D2, wasn't around for D3. Conjurer?
-Kalor, Vote Hoarder: Planted a bomb on target who would die 24hrs into next day phase, Kalor would get a point for every vote on the target when they died and winned with 10 points. Specialist?
Claimed Powers List:
-Dr. Monkey, ITA creator: Can start an ITA mini game with a 10% hit chance at the beginning of the day, mini game lasts 24 hours. Emitter.
-Natiko, ITA Creator and Master: Can start an ITA mini game with a 10% hit chance at the beginning of the day, mini game lasts 24 hours. Boosts theirs and a targets hit chance to 100%. Ability verified D2, no-one hit with a random shot. Emitter.
-Royal, ???: Targeted Monkey and Kalor N1, power seems to come into affect after target dies.
-Aeleus, The Board: At the start of the game learnt Donna was town, has multiple different abilities to protect her to be chosen near day start. Can use abilities after dying. Protected Donna from day kills D3. Enhancer
Mysteries:
The vote locker: At some point in D2 Salva couldn't unvote Stu and Blarg couldn't unvote blarg, causing stu to die. Almost certainly a scum ability.
The package: N3 Aeleus claims to have received a package, does not know what it does.
Case Closed:
The hijacked powers!: It was initially thought Monkeys power had been hijacked but it turned out that her's and Natiko's were just very similar. Sawneeks role also seems to share similarities to the director mystery but seems unrelated.
The Director: Donna was told they were the director at game start and Aeleus was told that Donna was the director, was town and that something bad would happen to them if Donna was lunched. Aeleus now claims it was their power and they were just lying to keep their claim secret but protect Donna.
The post mortem vaniliser: B-Dubs role implies he was taking the roles of dead players, suggesting why they were being scrubbed clean. Might be another ability though.
ITA results:
Dr. Monkey -> Kalor [Neutral]: Hit and killed!
Natiko -> Malus: Hit and survived...
B-Dubs [Scum] -> Zipped: Miss
Sneeks [Town] -> Malus: Miss
Bear/Nin [Town] -> Nin [Town]: Miss
Stu [Town] -> Kalor [Neutral]: Miss
Donna [Town?] -> Blargonaut: Miss
Royal [Town?] -> Kalor [Neutral]: Miss
Blargonaut -> Donna [Town?]: Miss
SalvaPot/Gorlak -> Stu [Town]: Miss
Muffin -> Kalor [Neutral]: Miss
Verelios -> Blargonaut: Miss
malus -> Zipped: Miss
Zipped -> Muffin: Miss
Aeleus -> Zipped: Miss
Kyanrute -> Muffin: Miss
Kalor [Neutral] -> Zipped: Miss
Bulletproof scumroles abound in even normal games. We've had three vig shots, essentially. Folks need to stop trying to alignment guess off roles alone.
It disappeared, so far three roles have disappeared, Geno's role (which Natiko and Dr. Monkey say B-Dubs used) Sorian's and Stu's. I don't remember what Sorian's did but it is gone now. Stu, IIRC B-dubs could have used that shot he had. Geno If what Natiko and Dr. Monkey say is true than B-Dubs obviously used it. Does someone remember what Sorian's role did? Maybe that can help clear up my confusion.
Hard disagree that Fran would rebalance a role as a hard counter to someone elses. That makes no sense.
Wait, did Stu's just disappear? It was there last phase.
No I agree with you, it makes no sense for Fran to have done that, so the vanillizer/Janitor HAS to be something that one of us designed which leads me to think it is scum.
yep was gone While I was writing my pre-typed post, part of why I had to ask about the timing.
I'm like 99% you and Natiko aren't scum, but it was all thoughts in my head when the day ended yesterday.
about two real world hours ago when night actions closed.
Yeah, it's likely one of us but why do you think it's scum? Scum doesn't need to go after Sorian's power, and if they did Dubs would have definitely claimed that.
Sorian's role was an alignment check with spinners. You pick two people and find out if they have the same or different alignments. B-Dubs role doesn't fit with the disappearances since it didn't say anything about that, and it sounds like he got to pick two so presumably we would have seen more disappearing than we have so far if he was to blame.
That doesn't sound good, or at least your reaction to it doesn't.
That's important info and you just rolled it in like you assumed we all knew. I'm sure someone else would have seen, but if you're gonna go to the trouble of a pretyped at least highlight the important stuff, dang.
At first, I thought it was tied to B-Dubs and trying to obfuscate what he was doing.
But Scum wouldn't want that role of Sorians. That makes me think its building to something, Someone is trying to steal these roles in order to accomplish something, whether it gives them night abilities or for some other purpose
It's a death post in a game with a janitor. I figured everyone was looking to see if any other days got janitor'd.
I mean it could be good, but when something is just labled 'package' it doesn't set off my happy alarms
I did not intend to bury it, Next time I discover huge details like that I will bold, italicize and Underline the crap out of it...
Or just like... don't bury it.
I checked last phase. Hadn't checked yet today because mobile and it's a pain.
We will know if they are being taken to use if someone gets shot, I guess. I suppose no one was in a Thresh chat last night? I'm sure not if this is a scum absorption. If it's just erasure, that's actually NAI.
Zipped, a D3 remnant, what's with my placement on your read list above people who have checks on them?
Let me get your pre-typed post correct: there is a second thief out there (credible since I doubt AFK Zombie Dubs stole Stu), let us call them the janitor, they are scum. Scum team had two thieves from the get-go and this explains why Dubs took some roles but not other.
Let me get your pre-typed post correct: there is a second thief out there (credible since I doubt AFK Zombie Dubs stole Stu), let us call them the janitor, they are scum. Scum team had two thieves from the get-go and this explains why Dubs took some roles but not other.
well I was flat dumb about Royal_flush who has a green check, Empressdonna's green check came out right when I posting my second list, and those two were under you so I see why you are asking, but I have to ask are you continuing to ask because you think I amI wrong that I thought you were top town?