Exactly I can see both POVs. The funny irony is the guy usually is the one who is more terrified than the other way around.
Ha ha ha no.
Jesus just no
Exactly I can see both POVs. The funny irony is the guy usually is the one who is more terrified than the other way around.
Insert albatross postIf we're going to get the parallel with the way things happen for women, you know it's gonna be mildly agressive most of the time
I'm sorry my lived experience of being harassed by men on a near daily basis and living with several other women who share the same experience is inconvenient for you. I'm sorry it's more comfortable for you to be an uncaring asshole who presumes loftiness over the whole affair instead of seeing the hurt that exists.
No anime no piece of my heartI'll offer my services:
Anyone who is thirsty and feels like striking up some small talk with a stranger, hit me up. This way you get someone to chat with (who agrees to) and someone else goes about their day unbothered.
Free service. Open 24/7. No anime conversations.
Oh fuck offExactly I can see both POVs. The funny irony is the guy usually is the one who is more terrified than the other way around.
I'm the person that they quoted. So me giving the backstory on why I didn't know it was frowned upon, asking my wife how she felt about it, saying that I learned something and would pass the lesson on and being thankful that I'm no longer dating so I won't be potentially making anyone uncomfortable again...that makes me think women aren't equal? And alpha? I've never been alpha anything. I haven't even approached a Woman I didn't know since 1999.
I mean, I can empathize with the terror and/or embarrassment of rejection and all, but the woman's worst fear is of being raped, kidnapped, or killed by a crazy stranger guy who just wants her for her body. Bit of a difference in worst outcomes.Exactly I can see both POVs. The funny irony is the guy usually is the one who is more terrified than the other way around.
The "dick who just guys around cold approaching everyone and keeps doing it even though he gets rejected all the time" is kind of a very, very rare breed.
I had one friend who was a "bar star" who was pretty good at starting up conversations in that context, but really only in a bar. And even then he was terrified of ever approaching a woman who was even an inch taller than him. Couldn't do it, would go totally silent, just completely intimidated, which to me was always kind of funny.
Exactly I can see both POVs. The funny irony is the guy usually is the one who is more terrified than the other way around.
The guy is terrified of wounded pride, rather than having to consider whether wounding that pride will lead to harassment, stalking, assault etc. Not exactly comparable.Exactly I can see both POVs. The funny irony is the guy usually is the one who is more terrified than the other way around.
Exactly I can see both POVs. The funny irony is the guy usually is the one who is more terrified than the other way around.
The "dick who just guys around cold approaching everyone and keeps doing it even though he gets rejected all the time" is kind of a very, very rare breed.
I had one friend who was a "bar star" who was pretty good at starting up conversations in that context, but really only in a bar. And even then he was terrified of ever approaching a woman who was even an inch taller than him. Couldn't do it, would go totally silent, just completely intimidated, which to me was always kind of funny.
I'm sorry my lived experience of being harassed by men on a near daily basis and living with several other women who share the same experience is inconvenient for you. I'm sorry it's more comfortable for you to be an uncaring asshole who presumes loftiness over the whole affair instead of seeing the hurt that exists.
I'm sorry my lived experience of being harassed by men on a near daily basis and living with several other women who share the same experience is inconvenient for you. I'm sorry it's more comfortable for you to be an uncaring asshole who presumes loftiness over the whole affair instead of seeing the hurt that exists.
My post wasn't directed at you. There are plenty of post in here that make women sound like some prize to be won.
His particular post was pointing out many of the, "but girls have told me" posts in this thread.
It wasn't meant as an attack on you, but sorry if you take it that way. And to be clear, I am not discounting what anyone has been told by the women in their lives.
Just pointing those who use it prop up their life experience over the words of others (especially when there are female posters in here telling their stories/experiences).
Go find random guys that will willingly go chat up attractive women they don't know in non-social situations with no hesitation. That's not the reality of the situation for most people.
Go find random guys that will willingly go chat up attractive women they don't know in non-social situations with no hesitation. That's not the reality of the situation for most people.
I just saw his post, crazy thing is with how some replies are here, I'm half expecting someone to really hold that position.
I lived in Berlin for years. I went to university there and I worked at several well known clubs. It is a huge issue for many women there.I live in Berlin which, granted, is a pretty sexually open (and aggresive) city. But my girl friends have never had a problem with this. One of my best friends, a girl from France, and I often talk about tinder/dating/sex ect and she loves being approached by guys randomly (with respect) because of the confidence it takes.
GOODI would bet pretty good money not even 5% of the men on this board wouldn't be able to cold approach an attractive woman at the snap of finger.
Women literally don't know if a no will put their safety at risk. Get even a modicum of rationality bro. I;d say empathy but I'm not Jesus and can't work miracles.
I don't give two shits if harassing me on the street corner is scary for you bro.The issue can have some nuances. One can acknowledge that approaching women is quite often terrifying for men. You want everything to be black/white when it's not.
I'm sure she loves being catcalled and groped in the subway, I mean it takes confidence to do that amirite.I live in Berlin which, granted, is a pretty sexually open (and aggresive) city. But my girl friends have never had a problem with this. One of my best friends, a girl from France, and I often talk about tinder/dating/sex ect and she loves being approached by guys randomly (with respect) because of the confidence it takes.
That still doesn't make fear of rejection, lack of confidence or wounded pride or whatever anywhere close to the fear of whether someone that's bigger and stronger than you will take rejection so badly they'll become dangerous.Go find random guys that will willingly go chat up attractive women they don't know in non-social situations with no hesitation. That's not the reality of the situation for most people.
I would bet pretty good money 5% of the men on this board wouldn't be able to cold approach an attractive woman at the snap of finger.
I don't give two shits if harassing me on the street corner is scary for you bro.
The issue can have some nuances. One can acknowledge that approaching women is quite often terrifying for men while acknowledging the other side of the coin. You want everything to be black/white when it's not.
Lucky or really good looking/confident :)I might be lucky, but often times, the women I have dated in my life make the first move.
"Look women, you should have some empathy for men who see you, on the street, as just an object of conquest, it's very scary for them to act on their objectification, so come on remember men are human beings!"
Go find random guys that will willingly go chat up attractive women they don't know in non-social situations with no hesitation. That's not the reality of the situation for most people.
I would bet pretty good money not even 5% of the men on this board wouldn't be able to cold approach an attractive woman at the snap of finger.
The issue can have some nuances. One can acknowledge that approaching women is quite often terrifying for men while acknowledging the other side of the coin. You want everything to be black/white when it's not.
Men are afraid of women rejecting them. Women are afraid of men killing them.
No, it's far more black and white than you think.
Of course, they're not humans because they're prizes to be won.Oddly, this consideration to consider others as human beings don't extend to women for some reason.
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ITT: Women, how do you feel about being cold approached?
Women: "No, we don't like it"
Men: "Now hang on a minute..."
Fucking Yikes. 8 pages of fucking yikes. Guys do better than this.
"Men are afraid women will laugh at them. Women are afraid men will kill them."The issue can have some nuances. One can acknowledge that approaching women is quite often terrifying for men while acknowledging the other side of the coin. You want everything to be black/white when it's not.
And what percentage of men do you think murder people for not reacting well to their advances? Do all men really need to be painted with that brush?
Exactly I can see both POVs. The funny irony is the guy usually is the one who is more terrified than the other way around.
I'm sure she loves being catcalled and groped in the subway, I mean it takes confidence to do that amirite.
The terror you feel about whether or not you should harass someone should be a loud and clear sign: DO NOT APPROACH. That's not just the comfortable thing to do, that's the right thing to do.The issue can have some nuances. One can acknowledge that approaching women is quite often terrifying for men while acknowledging the other side of the coin. You want everything to be black/white when it's not.
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When well over half of the women murdered are by their intimate partners, they're doing well in being wary of men at allAnd what percentage of men do you think murder people for not reacting well to their advances? Do all men really need to be painted with that brush?
How/why is this terrifying for men?The issue can have some nuances. One can acknowledge that approaching women is quite often terrifying for men while acknowledging the other side of the coin. You want everything to be black/white when it's not.
Are you a man?
Can you walk up and cold approach a woman without any nervousness? I doubt it.
How many men do you think that honestly can do that.
the question was about cold approach, catcalling is actually just that.But that wasnt the question.
If the question was - Women of Era, how do you feel about being catcalled and groped in the subway - I would have given a different answer.
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