UK Coronavirus Discussion

Jokerman · Mar 21, 2021

My 'feel like death' symptoms lasted almost exactly 24 hours to the minute after my jab but holy hell my arm still aches. Amazing really how you can barely feel anything at the time yet have such a nagging pain afterwards. I guess it is because it is injected into the muscle. Feels like a bad toothache.

sir_crocodile · Mar 21, 2021

Temascos said:
Sadly I think the channel will do insanely well, especially given how things are at the moment. All they pretty much have to say is "We're against Political Correctness" and that's potentially 10s of millions of dedicated viewers right off the bat. It's goal is to shift the Overton Window further to the Right more than anything else.

But I'll be pleasantly surprised if the channel does fail.

People have to find it first. Dunno how it'll work with freeview, but Sky have no reason to give it a good placement given it'll be a direct competitor.

JonathanEx · Mar 21, 2021

sir_crocodile said:
People have to find it first. Dunno how it'll work with freeview, but Sky have no reason to give it a good placement given it'll be a direct competitor.

DULL THINGS. There's a lot of rules about channel numbers. News stuff has to be in the news section, and you'll be the next available channel number.

It'll be Freeview channel 236. That's confirmed and announced - so it'll go BBC News, Parliament, Sky, RT, Aljazeera, GB News. Confirming that slot also gives them a ticking clock to when they have to launch.
On Sky, it'll liiikely be around 524. That's the first available, after a bunch of niche news ones.

On the one hand, I'm quite nervous about the creeping effect they'll have - disproportional social media reach, radicalising a small audience (ala Talk Radio - not a big audience but they're having quite an effect on them).

On the other hand, I can't for the life of me figure out how it's profitable. They'll be doing less original reporting, buying in their news and mostly doing talking heads - which is cheaper - but it's also still 16 hours of live TV a day, which isn't cheap, made by a lot of egos, for a tiny audience, without being part of bigger to be a loss leader for reputation like Sky, and not being able to average it out by being around the world.

TheBlackMarvel · Mar 21, 2021

JonathanEx said:
On the other hand, I can't for the life of me figure out how it's profitable. They'll be doing less original reporting, buying in their news and mostly doing talking heads - which is cheaper - but it's also still 16 hours of live TV a day, which isn't cheap, made by a lot of egos, for a tiny audience, without being part of bigger to be a loss leader for reputation like Sky, and not being able to average it out by being around the world.

It probably doesn't need to be profitable directly.

IpKaiFung · Mar 21, 2021

Who said propaganda has to be profitable?

Toumari · Mar 21, 2021

Damn.

Edit: Apparently Scotland mixed in some numbers that were missing from Friday, but regardless still a record day.

TheBlackMarvel · Mar 21, 2021

Toumari said:
Damn.

My turn is almost dead last RIP.

Xun · Mar 21, 2021

Edmond Dantès said:
Joe Hisaishi in concert sounds great. Hope it goes ahead and MrKlaw and Xun can attend.

Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing Hans Zimmer in concert next year.

Cheers!

Hans Zimmer will be phenomenal to see live I'm sure.

Edmond Dantès said:
GB News have been granted a licence to broadcast by Ofcom. I wonder how they'll cover the pandemic.

Ofcom | TV Cable and Satellite

static.ofcom.org.uk

Great...

It's unfortunate that this and News UK TV will be a thing, especially since I could see them both doing well.

Toumari said:
Damn.

It's good to see a lot of vaccinations before the drop next month.

When does everyone expect 30+ to be vaccinated? The "Vaccine Queue Calculator" is still saying roughly between the end of April and mid May, but of course that's not happening.

Toumari · Mar 21, 2021

Xun said:
When does everyone expect 30+ to be vaccinated? The "Vaccine Queue Calculator" is still saying roughly between the end of April and mid May, but of course that's not happening.

At the pace we were going I was expecting the 30-39 age group to get it by the end of April. Now I'm expecting end of May.

Wil348 · Mar 21, 2021

I'm personally expecting they will start with under 30's around late June to early July. Also expecting more of an emphasis on the booking system considering younger generations are involved.

shaneo632 · Mar 21, 2021

The wonders that a little sun does for the mood. Whoo boy.

Lakitu · Mar 21, 2021

2nd Pfizer jab tomorrow

Fatoy · Mar 21, 2021

Toumari said:
At the pace we were going I was expecting the 30-39 age group to get it by the end of April. Now I'm expecting end of May.

This is probably about right. I'm not sure I buy the idea that there will be zero first doses in April; I suspect we're going to make some headway in the 40-49 group over the next six weeks, given there are "only" about 8.5 million people in that bracket, compared to the 25+ million first doses we've given so far.

Toumari · Mar 21, 2021

Government is throwing more money at getting the vaccine mega-plant built.

This is something I don't mind them throwing money at given the circumstances.

The funding will support work already underway to:

expand the capacity twenty-fold so that the UK has a highly specialist manufacturing centre that, in a pandemic situation, can make up to 70 million doses within a 6 month period

accelerate the timeline for VMIC to be operationally ready so it can support the national response to (coronavirus) COVID-19

Extra £47.6 million for Vaccines Manufacturing and Innovation Centre

The Vaccines Manufacturing and Innovation Centre (VMIC) has been granted an additional £47.6 million to support the expansion and acceleration of the programme.

www.gov.uk

Gowans · Mar 21, 2021

Toumari said:
Damn.

Edit: Apparently Scotland mixed in some numbers that were missing from Friday, but regardless still a record day.

That's awesome, what percentage is that of the UK adult population in one day?

Serebii · Mar 21, 2021

Gowans said:
That's awesome, what percentage is that of the UK adult population in one day?

1.6% received a dose yesterday, first or second

Toumari · Mar 21, 2021

Gowans said:
That's awesome, what percentage is that of the UK adult population in one day?

Was mentioned in a follow-up tweet:

Also we did just over 4 million doses in the last 7 days:

Fatoy · Mar 21, 2021

Gowans said:
That's awesome, what percentage is that of the UK adult population in one day?

About 1.65%, I think.

Kodama4 · Mar 21, 2021

I can see why these daily Vaccination numbers are rubbing the EU commission the wrong way and they keep threatening to ban exports..

If we jab 1million in 24 hrs...that would certainly cause a stir

Gowans · Mar 21, 2021

That's amazing, worth it's own thread.

Great stat, makes me so happy to see.

nekkid · Mar 21, 2021

Xun said:
When does everyone expect 30+ to be vaccinated? The "Vaccine Queue Calculator" is still saying roughly between the end of April and mid May, but of course that's not happening.

Part of me thinks they're breaking their backs to backfill the shortfall with other vaccines.

Gowans said:
That's amazing, worth it's own thread.

It's not worth it tbh. It'll just be filled with anti UK sentiment.

baskcm · Mar 21, 2021

I just wish it was.my.time.for one lol

Linkified · Mar 21, 2021

nekkid said:
Part of me thinks they're breaking their backs to backfill the shortfall with other vaccines.

It's not worth it tbh. It'll just be filled with anti UK sentiment.

Indeed, good on the numbers yesterday. Part of me thinks when they hve to do the second doses for all those vaccines it might be rough.

Menchi · Mar 21, 2021

Kodama4 said:
I can see why these daily Vaccination numbers are rubbing the EU commission the wrong way and they keep threatening to ban exports..

If we jab 1million in 24 hrs...that would certainly cause a stir

Can you not turn a positive into a negative please?

nekkid · Mar 21, 2021

Linkified said:
Indeed, good on the numbers yesterday. Part of me thinks when they hve to do the second doses for all those vaccines it might be rough.

I did see a good chart showing projected 1st/2nd dosage distribution. I'll see if I can find it.

Edit: here we go:

TheBaldwin · Mar 21, 2021

Damn those are some great stats

Am I right in thinking we will see these kinds of numbers next week, but then will go down by a large amount in April ?

nekkid · Mar 21, 2021

TheBaldwin said:
Damn those are some great stats

Am I right in thinking we will see these kinds of numbers next week, but then will go down by a large amount in April ?

It'll probably drop by about 25% in April I reckon.

Toumari · Mar 21, 2021

TheBaldwin said:
Damn those are some great stats

Am I right in thinking we will see these kinds of numbers next week, but then will go down by a large amount in April ?

That's how I see it playing out yeah.

Although I think next month will mainly be second doses, but at rate similar to previous weeks.

TheBaldwin · Mar 21, 2021

nekkid said:
It'll probably drop by about 25% in April I reckon.

Toumari said:
That's how I see it playing out yeah.

Although I think next month will mainly be second doses, but at rate similar to previous weeks.

Fair enough.

Yeah I assume it will be 300K-400K 7 day average but with a major focus on second doses, aside from some Moderna doses that I assume will have to all be first doses.

Although it's a shame we can't keep these numbers up until late April/May, it's good to know atleast that the vulnerable will have there double dose to really protect them

Toumari · Mar 21, 2021

Psychotext · Mar 21, 2021

Epic day of vaccinations. Hope to fuck they've got plans to have enough supply for the second doses as ooh boy are they going to need a lot of doses for June.

Kodama4 · Mar 21, 2021

Menchi said:
Can you not turn a positive into a negative please?

I'm free to voice my thoughts, if you don't like then you can ignore or report..

Looks like EU will discuss the export ban on Thursday at a summit meeting.
Big support from some EU countries to put a ban in place...

Psychotext · Mar 21, 2021

Anyone know when we're likely to start seeing single dose vaccinations in the UK?

eonden · Mar 21, 2021

Psychotext said:
Anyone know when we're likely to start seeing single dose vaccinations in the UK?

J&J is supposed to start deliveries in second half of April to EU. Given that they are already saying they might not be able to fully produce for EU, I dont expect they will be able to ramp up for UK at the same time (also hasnt been approved in the UK yet). So maybe earlies one month after that?
Probably will depend once USA is finished with theirs and J&J can export from USA, so late May is likely the month, with June as the option. Of course, at that point the question is if you really need them.

Menchi · Mar 21, 2021

Kodama4 said:
I'm free to voice my thoughts, if you don't like then you can ignore or report..

Looks like EU will discuss the export ban on Thursday at a summit meeting.
Big support from some EU countries to put a ban in place...

Didn't say you weren't - Asked you not to - That's not the same as saying you can't, but it's pretty clear you're looking to turn anything positive into a negative anyway, so yeah, ignore you will go :)

Jokerman · Mar 21, 2021

Toumari said:
Government is throwing more money at getting the vaccine mega-plant built.

This is something I don't mind them throwing money at given the circumstances.

Extra £47.6 million for Vaccines Manufacturing and Innovation Centre

The Vaccines Manufacturing and Innovation Centre (VMIC) has been granted an additional £47.6 million to support the expansion and acceleration of the programme.

www.gov.uk

I was wondering what will happen in the future when it comes to vaccines going forward. When we start opening up, these vaccine centres will go back to be used for their intended purpose (e.g. I had mine in a sports stadium) so I'm presuming they will need dedicated buildings and staff as I can't see doctor's surgeries coping with the added demand.

nekkid · Mar 21, 2021

Jokerman said:
I was wondering what will happen in the future when it comes to vaccines going forward. When we start opening up, these vaccine centres will go back to be used for their intended purpose (e.g. I had mine in a sports stadium) so I'm presuming they will need dedicated buildings and staff as I can't see doctor's surgeries coping with the added demand.

I did hear they might start combining it with the seasonal flu jab, which should really make the best of the existing infrastructure.

Jokerman · Mar 21, 2021

nekkid said:
I did hear they might start combining it with the seasonal flu jab, which should really make the best of the existing infrastructure.

I presumed we would be getting these more often than once a year though?

nekkid · Mar 21, 2021

Jokerman said:
I presumed we would be getting these more often than once a year though?

Depends on the period of effectiveness, frequency of new mutations etc. But I'd find it unlikely we'd need it twice a year forever.

Jokerman · Mar 21, 2021

The numbers show quite a significant bump in infections +595 on last Sunday. The start of a reaction to schools reopening I guess. We will obviously have to keep an eye on the hospitalisations in a couple of weeks time to see how effective the vaccination has been. Scary times when combined with the new wave in Europe.

Humidex · Mar 21, 2021

Jokerman said:
I presumed we would be getting these more often than once a year though?

I imagine more one-shot solutions like the J&J will become more and more prominent as time goes on…

nekkid · Mar 21, 2021

Jokerman said:
The numbers show quite a significant bump in infections +595 on last Sunday. The start of a reaction to schools reopening I guess. We will obviously have to keep an eye on the hospitalisations in a couple of weeks time to see how effective the vaccination has been. Scary times when combined with the new wave in Europe.

I'd hazard a guess and say it's not really kids transmitting, but the dumbass parents not distancing at the schools and people equating kids back to school as "opening up" and being more lax.

TheBaldwin · Mar 21, 2021

Psychotext said:
Anyone know when we're likely to start seeing single dose vaccinations in the UK?

Think J&J is the only one with one shot so far that is available for use, but as the poster quoted below says it will be a while until we get them. Eventually most current vaccines would be improved to be only one dose as that would speed up vaccinations significantly for all countries.

I'm sure the vaccine producers will now be looking to adapt there current vaccines into one shot for one use

eonden said:
J&J is supposed to start deliveries in second half of April to EU. Given that they are already saying they might not be able to fully produce for EU, I dont expect they will be able to ramp up for UK at the same time (also hasnt been approved in the UK yet). So maybe earlies one month after that?
Probably will depend once USA is finished with theirs and J&J can export from USA, so late May is likely the month, with June as the option. Of course, at that point the question is if you really need them.

I think there was a politico article, that also cited a Telegraph story, stating that J&J had asked for UK approval back in early March. Might still be hope to get it approved but as you say, even if we did end up getting some doses now it would likely be like moderna in that it would be small doses.

nekkid · Mar 21, 2021

I thought J&J were going to be manufacturing out of a UK plant? Or was it Sanofi?

Linkified · Mar 21, 2021

nekkid said:
I thought J&J were going to be manufacturing out of a UK plant? Or was it Sanofi?

Jansen is doing it at Teeside

Kromeo · Mar 21, 2021

Fujifilm were manufacturing one of them in the UK, might have been Novavax

eonden · Mar 21, 2021

I thought Novavax was the one being done partially in UK, with J&J being done in EU.

Deleted member 16516 · Mar 21, 2021

Kromeo said:
Fujifilm were manufacturing one of them in the UK, might have been Novavax

And Valneva will be manufacturing their vaccine in Livingston, Scotland.

Valneva's manufacturing site in Scotland is already up and running, ready to supply their promising vaccine as soon as it has proven to be safe, and effective and is approved by the MHRA. To best ensure we have enough successful candidates to ensure maximum coverage of the UK population, the Vaccines Taskforce has invested in seven of the most promising vaccines. The further 40 million doses secured through today's deal significantly bolsters our portfolio and gives us future flexibility should we need to revaccinate any of the UK population. I want to thank everyone involved in the development of this vaccine for the hard work that has helped us reach this point and also to pay tribute to those UK citizens who have volunteered to take part in the important clinical trials of this vaccine.

Valneva Announces UK Government Exercise of Option for 40 Million Doses of its Inactivated, Adjuvanted COVID-19 Vaccine - Valneva

Saint-Herblain (France), February 1st, 2021 – Valneva SE (“Valneva” or “the Company”), a specialty vaccine company focused on prevention against diseases with major unmet needs, today reported that the UK Government has exercised its option to order 40 million doses of its inactivated...

valneva.com

nekkid · Mar 21, 2021

Linkified said:
Jansen is doing it at Teeside

No I thought it was one of J&J and Sanofi doing there's too.

TheBaldwin · Mar 21, 2021

nekkid said:
No I thought it was one of J&J and Sanofi doing there's too.

I thought so too, but somebody said there wasn't one in the thread earlier even though I swear I remember Hancock mentioning a J&J plant during a conference in the UK

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