Extremely high.
The last thing an international company wants is to have its assets frozen
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U.S. violates JCPOA; Trump withdraws from Iran nuclear deal & reimposes economic sanctions (UPDATE)
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The last thing an international company wants is to have its assets frozen
Is this true? Going to research after work today but just curious about this. If so, then it puts the whole thing on a different light
I guess there's nothing between complaining on social media and civil war in american democracy?
Correct me if Im wrong, but EU companies cant do shit if the US unilaterally denies them from its banking institutions. The deal is dead without the US in it.
Was this agreement ratified by the Senate as a treaty? What gives the President the power to just back out of these things? Or is it another instance where Congress has neutered itself?
Trump isn't going to impose sanctions on the EU. His investors would riot.
How likely is this going to be a US-internal money winners-vs-losers argument over the next two weeks?
Voting is literally the only way to enact policy change and remove people from office outside of impeachment, which again is a statistical impossibility.
So, please explain how how to radically influence policy outside of voting or an overthrow of government.
It is not that easy. If something happens in the middle east, another wave of millions of refugees will go to Europe, and that is not a good thing for most European countries trying to fight the wave of nationalism in Europe.
These are secondary sanctions that will be imposed on European companies doing business with Iran and potential denial to the US banking system.
Yeah what the fuck. Why can't Congress say hold the phone, the president doesn't have the authority to pull us out of international treaties.
those released assets you condemn as absolute dogshit is the money and the right of the Iranian people. what gives you the fucking right to claim ownership??
it was never yours to begin!
For multinational European businesses, it absolutely and unequivocally is that easy.
Ehh we have ways to take back our country and the process is well under way.
Not to mention that we have protests on the regular. Im not sure what are not so vaguely hinting at with this bullshit but our democracy is fine despite the recent attacks.
Part of me wants to see them keep doing business with Iran, just to see how far this could escalate.
That's one thing I never thought I'd write.
I mean, sustained massive protests have resulted in heads of state stepping down in other democracies.
It is hard to do in a country of 300 million people though, and I don't see Trump stepping down just because of massive protests either.
We actually have had massive protests though, the problem is they aren't specifically directed at Trump stepping down, which is dumb.
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I respond to the short posts on my phone, and respond to the long posts when I get home to a computer.
You'll get a response, don't you worry cupcake.
lmao this is like a greatest hits post of fake Iran Deal "facts". A+!
Thank god "American" is the stand in for "white people" then.
The real question is "do you want to compete in Iran or in the United States?"
No, this agreement was never ratified by the Senate as it was never submitted to the Senate for ratification because Obama knew that it wouldn't pass with a Republican majority.
It's not a "treaty" per se, but rather an "agreement" that was implemented by executive order.
Absolutely no controversy gets a reaction from anybody in power in this country, what is a fucking daily protest going to do. The people who voted for these people just eat it up and keep claiming how much winning they're doing because people are protesting against them.
24-day thing doesn't apply to declared nuclear sites like Natanz where they were doing enrichment previously, which the IAEA can inspect at will; they also shipped all enriched nuclear material out of Iran as part of the deal and placed centrifuges in storage under IAEA supervision, significantly increasing the time required to make a bomb - The US got quite a bit out of this deal. Other than that, mostly true, but killing the deal makes no sense since Iran is then free to pursue a nuclear agenda and force the US to the negotiating table. Them receiving frozen assets as a result of sanctions being lifted is hardly shocking, and trying to negotiate missile testing alongside the nuclear deal would be almost impossible (and the US is sanctioning them for that separately.)
lmao hot damn
America is incredibly complacent. 40%+ of us don't even vote. And yeah I know that it is by design, but why do we allow it to continue?
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Yes and no. The deal is not indefinite, but no deal ever would of been or can realistically expected to ever be.
Any country has the right by international law to deny inspections, drafting a formal process for how that works is not some crazy notion. But if Iran started playing those games(which it should be noted they have not) it would be grounds in that arbitration court to reimpose the entirety of the sanctions and then some. How that is somehow a worse situation than not having any agreement and no eyes on Iran is an argument I haven't heard being made successfully.
The poster attempts to infer this is some good faith arrangement when in fact there is a robust inspections and verification program in place. And to the man they have passed those inspections.
Yeah this doesn't add up. He can't have that much power can he? Can the courts step in and say fuck you?
Right, but at this point it feels like the best hope is that Trump makes ineffective strikes, feels secure that he's established what a big boy he is, and we all go home without getting entangled into the sort of giant war that would actually be necessary to disarm Iran.
Obama couldn't get any of his deals through Congress as actual treaties, so they're merely "executive agreements", which future executives can back out of. It's another instance of GOP obstruction paying off for them. It's similar to how he was able to pull out of the Paris agreement.
Lmao, civil war.
If your elected government does not listen to pressure applied by its constituents, you keep up the pressure. The size of a protest doesn't matter if you pack up and go home the day after.
France is on its ass by protests fueled by outrage of social reforms, and that is small potatoes to what the American government is doing to its own people and to the world.
But whatever, the rest will suffer again while you are safe on your own continent.
You were able to write up that laundry list of talking points, not seeing the problem here?
Or were you just copying and pasting and now trying to buy time to find more talking points?
Everybody in Europe thought that Bush won't be a two term president. Yet he won against Kerry. You don't exchange you commander in chief in the middle of a war.
You have no idea what you're talking about. Does that matter to you?
See my post above.
This is not a treaty - it's an agreement that was implemented by executive order. The courts have no jurisdiction in this matter.
The point of the deal was to suspend Iran's ability to create nuclear weapons. Ballistic missiles not tipped with nuclear warheads are not nuclear weapons.
I'm not arguing in favor of Iran having a robust ballistic missile program, I just think this talking point that the nuclear deal is flawed because it does not contain non-nuclear provisions is dishonest. Nor is it a reason to scrap the deal entirely, it's a reason to continue building on it. Because now without the deal, you have nothing stopping Iranian ballistic missiles AND nothing stopping Iranian nukes. You've traded down.
Yeah, that's totally worse than them being 'free to do whatever the hell they want' right now.
Time to start teaching our kids to become conscientious objectors to war, because Trump's dragging us towards one at breakneck pace.
Your posts are usually bereft of any critical thought, but this is a new low.