It's crazy to me that this actually happens. I hear about it all the time.. would be shocking to see in person.
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The Guardian: "How white women use strategic tears to avoid accountability"
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you're actually the only person ITT that I've snarked. Everybody else got fleshed out points, but you're here on page 9 with a stale take about victim culture in a thread about racism. And I found it funny cause you spent nearly 400 words to say very little.
I don't want your half ass shitty boy support of why I should be treated like a human being with diginity.
Get this shit out of here.
Y'all really fake as fuck round these parts.
This ain't a fucking game for us. I know people who've been killed for this shit.
This ain't a fucking game, you think we fucking playing out here
This is something that's heavily gendered. Men know it'll make them look like a creep/weirdo if they ask/do it, women don't have the same social cost.
You may characterise them however you want, but that's just the reality of the situation. Yeah, people do things more willingly if it makes them feel good. That's never going to change. Ever. I'd just rather make use of this fact than lament over it or even trying to change it. I know that's a very "realpolitik"-like argument, but I honestly think it works best.
I really don't know how you reached this conclusion. No, my argument is that people who feel shitty generally don't care when you tell them other people feel even more shitty. They might care, however, if you tell them that they could feel less shitty by helping other people feeling less shitty as well.
I'll readily admit I made this post as dry and emotionless as possible on purpose. That doesn't mean I'm always arguing in this fashion or would even require others to do so. It's just a description of what I feel is the reality of the situation which at some point has to be recognised as such. "Everyone else should react differently to x" is an argument you'll always lose, completely independent of how good it is.
Well, yeah, then the question becomes how many racists there are who are, well, I used that term before, 100% committed to the cause. I don't think there's that many, though I'll readily admit a latent xenophobia is probably part of human nature. But I think that "confronting" this xenophobia doesn't even have to be an active thing. People are generally more xenophobic if there's fewer foreigners in a region or city. Just, well, "different" people being there actually helps.
No, that definitely doesn't mean that you should say "Well, problem solved, I was great today!" But I do think that it speaks to my point of people in generally being much more lazy than actively malignant. I undestand completely if you at the receiving end don't care all that much whether it was just intellectual laziness or actual malice that put you at said end, but if you want to change that, I'd argue it's better if you recognise whether it's one thing or the other.
User Banned (3 Days): Attempting to dictate the terms of discussion surrounding race.
So first off, this isn't a thread about racism? Then what is it?
Why is it 'inane'? Because you describe it as such? Are you trying to suggest that people don't engage in the behavior I describe? Are you basically diasavowing human behavioral science?
It absolutely benefits people to do so. You, as someone who has suffered under the pressures of institutional racism, feel that is the most severe of all forms of oppression. Is that more severe than a pacifist suffering under a culture of war? You are suggesting so, but is murdering other humans for profit and power an ethically better behavior than disliking them based on skin color?
Both stem from human natural instincts and need checked by civilized behavioral controls. These controls are instituted at a society wide level both via culture and education.
You completely misunderstood my point because you are caught in your own battle. And it's a noble one, no doubt. Don't assume people disbelieve in institutional racism just because they are giving you ideas as to a better strategy with which to accomplish your goals. That's short sighted and shows you didn't really read, absorb, and comprehend what I wrote...that you dismissed it out of hand and assumed it was coming from the same place you assume everyone that criticizes you comes from.
So what do you do on a daily basis to interact with the institutionally disadvantaged? Do you work with the poor? The mentally ill? The disabled? How are you involved with other segments of society that are equally disadvantaged regardless of skin composition? Equally invisible, neglected, loathed...called losers out of hand by people of all backgrounds. Or is your only issue, one issue that is personal and specific?
You just attempt to adopt a distasteful, dismissive point of view that doesn't allow any new information into your world. It's unhealthy for building any allies or comprehensive society wide power structures which could in fact be used to turn the weight of set institutions away from the people you claim to care about.
You are a provocateur, when you should be trying to be a leader.
I for one think that Black Panther was just average, its just being propped up by its cultural relevance
The #notallwhitepoeple defence force is simply the result of not being able to perceive your own privilege and reluctance to acknowledge being a beneficiary of a racist system.
My black friend was wearing earrings shaped like a woman with an afro. A white woman asked to touch her earrings. It's absurd.
I don't see how this applies specifically to women? All white people do this (and should stop and face accountability) to some extent. The headline comes across as sexist to me.
Everything has a tipping point. It seems so far away now, but I really do have faith we can get there eventually. Yes the majority in power absolutely have a greater responsibility to enact said change. I just feel that if everyone can do their part (this definitely includes white people acknowledging their own privilege and voting against it) that eventually we can tip the scales towards equality. Most of the younger people I interact with truly feel like we are all equals and the more they are inclusive and respectful of different races (even in very brief interactions with each other) the better off we will all be in the future. We can all try to be better in that area IMO.
I like you and respect your opinion lol
But seriously tho off topic but I always have white at my job customers telling me to behave? Like bruh tf you telling me this for
If you told me this headline was taken from an MRA site and not The Guardian, I would have instantly believed you.
If anything good at all came out of 53% of white women voting for Trump it's that a lot of people are finally fucking done with white women acting like they're the vanguard of feminism.
I think it's because it's literal tears. Men tend to not get away with that.
But I agree. Tears don't need to be saline to be shed
This is an easy ideal to have as a white person. It's a lot to ask, though. We, as in white people generally, haven't exactly made it easy for others to feel kindness toward us.
As long as white people are still generally racist, I don't take offense when people generalize. Not only is it based on truth, but it's coming from an underdog position where the norms are justifiably different.
Whether that strategy is more effective or less effective is another debate. I think both have merits. Sometimes overwhelming kindness is effective, but sometimes it's not.
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