Not a big problem, I just went back and saw how many posts you have and didn't feel like going through it before I caught up. Which I'm almost caught up, so.Gives me a queasy feeling that I'm the one person you ignored.
Lets say the message was a complete fabrication - full blown gambit. Is that not something you could see town CS doing? I'm pretty sure in KH he made up some similar bullshit as town for literally no reason that I can recall (he took that bomb hit like a champ though *truffle shuffle*).
I think that if we flip them it will give good info. If they flip scum, since they're so quiet it could probably shed light on if they're trying to avoid interacting with teammates specifically or just other town. They only ever talk to a few people specifically so it would give us good reads on others IMO.How would Xbro/Reki give us a good feel on the gamestate?
Girl. This from you? About Sorian?
I know, I saw your reads and we are actually pretty aligned I think outside of Monkey/Stu, but you seem pretty married to wanting Monkey out ASAP which I am not going to join on today, so I wasn't sure if you were actually going to move your vote anywhere. It's also one reason why I kind of feel good about you here, since yeah I like those other reads you have.
Can you walk me through your scum read on Sorian again?That is true, it is certainly something I could see him making up as a town!CS gambit if the message was fake and if so, his partner would have been dragged into it through their chat.
Thinking about it that way does change things a little since I think I was too focused on coolestgroot which is a while back now.
and yet im the only one there
I'll admit, I don't think I have much of a read on xbro. I feel like they haven't been around at all and has gotten a pass due to Monkey vs Sorian taking up so much air.I guess where I am right now is that I wouldn't be opposed to the Sorian lynch I guess, but moreso because of Dubs, but there's plenty of votes there and it doesn't seem like adding on would help much at this point. I'm pretty against doing Monkey/Stu today instead, so I don't really want to put my vote there. I can see other people feeling some ways about Natiko, which I agree with, but everyone seems to think Terra is townie and a lot of his posts have felt good to me, so I can understand why people aren't joining me here instead.
So, with that being said, there aren't many vote getters right now that I am very interested in joining in on at the moment, since the other ones would be the claimed cop and the person they claimed a green check on...
I'll move my vote here for now and see if it gets anything going since I don't think anyone is going to join me on Natiko/Terra.
Vote: Xbro
I get the sense Xbro has been coasting a bit too much here today, and I haven't really been a fan of his contributions so far. Others have expressed doubt here, but I haven't seen many votes for it, so I'll put up.
At the risk of looking like I'm PR fishing, rac, if you're a cop and that's the foundation for your approach to Bae & malus, it might be better to claim it, but since you posted this, I doubt that's the case.and yet im the only one there
i applaud your ability to force sorian vs you to happen
Honestly, the one thing that makes me feel worst about you right now is your inability to put a read on either me or Natiko. You keep putting us both in this weird quarantine zone in your read list, and I don't like it. Just expand here please. What are these red flags? Why are Sorian and I Scum together? Why does Sorian being Town mean that I'm Town?Natiko/Terraforce and Fantomas/zippedpinhead - I don't think these are scum together. But both have raised a lot of red flags. Even my townread of Terra has me suspicious.
If Sorian is town, I lean more town on Fanto/Zipped - slightly. If Sorian is scum, I think I would reassess both teams.
That's a good question.How much is the idea about Xbro to help Chuggs to move there comfortably, away from Sorian? Yes, this is paranoid Kyaaa speaking.
Sorian thinks Natiko is scum and has strong alignment with your reads. A town Sorian being legit means I would focus more on Natiko and be more inclined to trust you.Honestly, the one thing that makes me feel worst about you right now is your inability to put a read on either me or Natiko. You keep putting us both in this weird quarantine zone in your read list, and I don't like it. Just expand here please. What are these red flags? Why are Sorian and I Scum together? Why does Sorian being Town mean that I'm Town?
Does SkyChugg seem more enticing? I'm down for anything to get a new wagon to appear here tbh.How much is the idea about Xbro to help Chuggs to move there comfortably, away from Sorian? Yes, this is paranoid Kyaaa speaking.
I'm not too passionate about my reads, so I can get that. I am really trying a thing now where I'm not going to go as hard into reading through tons of posts and stuff until I see a Scum flip, and we don't have one yet, so I am playing a bit chill. It's advice I received after Maple Street that I thought was really good tbh, I don't need to burn myself out so early, I can wait.
Been lots of talk about how people are getting lightly scummy vibes on SkyOdin and TheChuggernaut, but no votes. I'd be willing to vote there myself, but any kind of real push does make me hesitate.
The first compiled reads from her today. She has a few nulls, a couple scum (CS and Sorian), and the rest are all various levels of town reads.My current thought process right now:-
Coolest & Z-Beat: Still feeling uneasy about coolest, the letter thing has only slightly lifted that because Z-Beat came forward first with the fact they had received a PM. Like I said in my last post, it does feel like coolest-type gambit so it's sort of hard to take it seriously :( sorry coolest.
Rac & Vincent Alexander: I originally had this gut feeling of uneasiness about rac though today that's seemed to have ebbed away. I think it was just due to the no lunch talk earlier on that caused that though.
Stu & Dr.Monkey: leaning town on these two, I've not really seen anything to make me think they are scummy. Stu's frustrations seemed totally genuine with Geno and that's all I'll say about that.
Ty4on & absolutbro: I was already reading their posts as townie, I couldn't find anything particularly scummy so I can 100% believe the green check. If it is a fake then I'd be shocked.
Pirate Bae & Malus: Our claimed cops, whom green checked the tybro team. I believe in them and their claim.
Zippedpinhead & Fantomas: I am still leaning town on Fanto, which makes me lean town on this team overall.
Natiko & Terraforce: I admittedly find Natiko hard to read :(, I seem to struggle with him a lot in games we are in together. It doesn't seem to matter what his alignment is as well so this is NAI it's just an issue I need to deal better with.
Geno and Funky Dude Sparks: I don't know what to think about Sparks, though Geno's attitude reminds me of him as town in some of our previous games together.
Verelios and Apollo: That phoenix wright post was really fun to read through with all the images and gifs. I like the effort that was put into it. It could be either town or scum but I still enjoyed that post :).
Sorian and B-Dubs: Another team I find hard to read though I've wavered between neutral and scum lean in my mind on sorian throughout.
Others I'm uncertain of (more neutral wise than scummy wise atm) -
SkyOdin and TheChuggernaut
Xbro and Reki
Brazil and FluxWaveZ
Stantastic and flatearthpandas
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This is just where I am right now though, as the day progresses, I hope to have a better idea on the people I'm leaning neutral towards or find hard to read.
Dr. Monkey
Okay so going through terra's posts slowly, I honestly see quite a few posts that make feel like he is more likely town than scum at least, for now.
For example this post:
Just sounds like a townie trying to help out someone else and trying to get them to think for themselves instead of jumping onto whatever train they can.
Also this post about the geno thing also felt really genuine as well, just saying that he's seen him do that in the past.
Next she circles back to the nulls and comes away with more town reads. Well, at least there's the two scum reads in Coolest and Sorian.SkyOdin and TheChuggernaut: Sky appears to have been asking quite a few questions though outside of a few players, I don't know what his reads or feelings are towards others. I'd like to hear more!
Chuggs on the other hand, I'm leaning town on. His play really reminds me of what I saw of him in TMBG while I was spectating and when he replaced me in brexit.
Xbro and Reki: Reki's questioning in the thread makes me think town since some of those things could have been asked in the scum chat. Though it could also be newbie scum trying to seem town? I honestly am leaning more towards town right now though.
Xbro seems quieter than other games we've been in together, not saying that is alignment indicative but it seems unusual.
Brazil and FluxWaveZ: Brazil also seems quieter to me than in previous games however, Flux's play reminds me of 999. I am not sensing anything really scummy there at the moment.
Stantastic and flatearthpandas: Our crazy timezone pair. I find myself agreeing on points that they have both made though others have made them as well (i.e reading stu and monkey as town and finding brazil weird) whcih makes me want to say they are town maybe? It's really hard for me to tell, there's nothing that screams 'hey! scum team here'!
The re-evaluation is good, I'm not gonna hate on that. I have no problem with reconsidering, but surely then we will have some stronger feelings for the other scum read:That is true, it is certainly something I could see him making up as a town!CS gambit if the message was fake and if so, his partner would have been dragged into it through their chat.
Thinking about it that way does change things a little since I think I was too focused on coolestgroot which is a while back now.
Ah, a "feelings-based thing". So the approach to scum hunting is concerning, and even the town reading is almost entirely meta based "X is playing like they did in Y" over and over. Kyan's posts are more varied, but a lot of them have been scattershot - a comment here and there, posing a question then doubling back on it. There's a lack of firm stances on his end as well, and those he does take tend to be reasons for him to avoid voting on any current wagons. There's enough of that nagging concern about kyan to not overwrite my concerns on Donna.It's just a feelings-based thing. Like I said in my initial reads, I was flipflopping between neutral and a scum lean but I don't know, I'm just struggling to find him as town at least in my mind.
Obviously, if he flips town, I'll eat my hat because I will be wrong but I just feel like he is right now.
Been lots of talk about how people are getting lightly scummy vibes on SkyOdin and TheChuggernaut, but no votes. I'd be willing to vote there myself, but any kind of real push does make me hesitate.
Does SkyChugg seem more enticing? I'm down for anything to get a new wagon to appear here tbh.
Yeah, Natiko deciding to go from AB/Ty -> Coolest/Z-Beat -> Donna/Kyan is like... I don't know, it gives me vibes of him seeking out things that are wayyy too easy to go after here right now.Huh that's an unexpected swerve, i know Terra was the one on me harder but didn't think Natiko vote there.
There's a lack of firm stances on his end as well, and those he does take tend to be reasons for him to avoid voting on any current wagons.
That is a good observation, yeah.Can't yet speak of what feel enticing to me, the post was about how after the claim Chuggs had two pairs he suspected, B-Dubs / Sorian and Xbro / Reki. You know, just connecting a great number of people here without a single scum flip, nothing more.
VOTE: empressdonna
I just can't jive with Donna's play so far. Lets just run through her reads:
The first compiled reads from her today. She has a few nulls, a couple scum (CS and Sorian), and the rest are all various levels of town reads.
Next she circles back to the nulls and comes away with more town reads. Well, at least there's the two scum reads in Coolest and Sorian.
The re-evaluation is good, I'm not gonna hate on that. I have no problem with reconsidering, but surely then we will have some stronger feelings for the other scum read:
Ah, a "feelings-based thing". So the approach to scum hunting is concerning, and even the town reading is almost entirely meta based "X is playing like they did in Y" over and over. Kyan's posts are more varied, but a lot of them have been scattershot - a comment here and there, posing a question then doubling back on it. There's a lack of firm stances on his end as well, and those he does take tend to be reasons for him to avoid voting on any current wagons. There's enough of that nagging concern about kyan to not overwrite my concerns on Donna.
Yeah, Natiko deciding to go from AB/Ty -> Coolest/Z-Beat -> Donna/Kyan is like... I don't know, it gives me vibes of him seeking out things that are wayyy too easy to go after here right now.
I may dislike generally everything you've done this game, but my boat buddy knows I'm less certain on you than he is. I've long said I suck at reading you and in general I've been trash this game so who knows, I'm honestly not sure. In my heart of hearts my concern is that you're just town and playing like ass. I can't even remember the last strong town game I've seen you play. You've still been killing it as scum/neutrals lately though. That's the meta read. Reading your play in this game in a vacuum though I'm far from impressed. You're taking combative stances without providing clear reasoning in my eyes and I've complained about it multiple times already. So ultimately, who the fuck knows. I would vote you over a town read at EOD, but that's about it.Huh that's an unexpected swerve, i know Terra was the one on me harder but didn't think Natiko vote there.
Or I mean..if I wanted to go the easy route I could just follow my boat buddy onto Sorian who I have already voiced concerns over. Whatever you need to say to retrofit all my actions into your scumread though go for it.Yeah, Natiko deciding to go from AB/Ty -> Coolest/Z-Beat -> Donna/Kyan is like... I don't know, it gives me vibes of him seeking out things that are wayyy too easy to go after here right now.
You were on Bae, that's true enough. What have you done since then though? Like I said, I do like your play more but it isn't enough to remove my concern over Donna seemingly just floating through the game without doing any real scum hunting. Donna bouncing to re-evaluate Tybro, deciding she isn't convinced they're scum, and then just..sitting on a soft PR claim doesn't help matters.Generalities / not true. I was a part of one of the D1 trains and so far there has been a single train today.
If by "weirdly ramping up to it" you mean trying to see if there was any sustenance behind Donna's only scum reads that just hadn't been shared publicly, sure - I did that.Popping in before next stop: I wouldn't vote Kyan and donna today. That vote feels wrong, especially if led by Natiko here who felt like he was weirdly ramping up to it. Would love to hear from TheChuggernaut who has dropped off considerably.
Natiko moaning about having trash reads on d2 of all days: scummyI may dislike generally everything you've done this game, but my boat buddy knows I'm less certain on you than he is. I've long said I suck at reading you and in general I've been trash this game so who knows, I'm honestly not sure. In my heart of hearts my concern is that you're just town and playing like ass. I can't even remember the last strong town game I've seen you play. You've still been killing it as scum/neutrals lately though. That's the meta read. Reading your play in this game in a vacuum though I'm far from impressed. You're taking combative stances without providing clear reasoning in my eyes and I've complained about it multiple times already. So ultimately, who the fuck knows. I would vote you over a town read at EOD, but that's about it.
Donna bouncing to re-evaluate Tybro, deciding she isn't convinced they're scum, and then just..sitting on a soft PR claim doesn't help matters.
it was a good typo tho
Sorry - I didn't mean anything in a mean way. I'm actually trying to behave this game given all the recent discussions. I also wasn't trying to call out IRL stuff either if that's the concern, I could dig up the post you made previously that made me think you were around and opting to not move if needed.I am going to try to respond to this as best as I can because I admittedly am being silly and letting these things get me a little upset even though I know that this is just a game and that I could and should improve on it.
Hindsight sucks, I should have moved my vote and I regret not doing so but at that point, it would have probably gone back on CSBeat. I even said in our boat thread that I regretted it.
I might be afk for a bit now, sorry I'm really getting stupidly upset over this.
Get off this choo choo and join us on the other choo choo.
What's the other choo choo again? Chugg?
Sorry - I didn't mean anything in a mean way. I'm actually trying to behave this game given all the recent discussions. I also wasn't trying to call out IRL stuff either if that's the concern, I could dig up the post you made previously that made me think you were around and opting to not move if needed.
Yes. And it's super fun over here. Though I shouldn't push you to move because I'm not entirely convinced myself yet, and hoping Chugger shows up to spit some hot fire in response. I just want another train to compete with our leader to (possibly) force some discussion if scum are sitting on an easy town lunch for the day (Sorian/B-Dubs)