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Love Boat 3 Mafia |OT| This time it's Bearsonal
- Thread starter The Bear
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Not a big problem, I just went back and saw how many posts you have and didn't feel like going through it before I caught up. Which I'm almost caught up, so.
I wouldn't be against an Xbro/Reki vote for many reasons but I do want to know why Bae thinks they would unlock anything in particular.
That is true, it is certainly something I could see him making up as a town!CS gambit if the message was fake and if so, his partner would have been dragged into it through their chat.
Thinking about it that way does change things a little since I think I was too focused on coolestgroot which is a while back now.
I think that if we flip them it will give good info. If they flip scum, since they're so quiet it could probably shed light on if they're trying to avoid interacting with teammates specifically or just other town. They only ever talk to a few people specifically so it would give us good reads on others IMO.
*shrug* I just can't see it being a scum play tbh
For as much as I need to preach people getting their heads out of their ass, I can't just fall on "lynch me so you can all move on" if there's is another out. At the end of the day, the only concrete info I have at the moment is still just my alignment so while yes, I am going to sit on Monkey longer, I also have to self-pres and I'd prefer that happen on someone else I scum read.
Can you walk me through your scum read on Sorian again?
Xbro/Reki: Reading through all their posts, I'm not getting a particular scummy vibe. Their back-and-forth about their partner chat feels genuine? The only piece that sticks out to me on Xbro is how much he really latched onto what he saw as Ty dodging a Brazil question, to the point where he brought it up on two different occasions, and then ended up planting a vote based on this. And kept it there. And convinced his partner to join with him on. Just felt like way too little? But not necessarily scummy.
It's just a feelings-based thing. Like I said in my initial reads, I was flipflopping between neutral and a scum lean but I don't know, I'm just struggling to find him as town at least in my mind.
Obviously, if he flips town, I'll eat my hat because I will be wrong but I just feel like he is right now.
and yet im the only one there
i applaud your ability to force sorian vs you to happen
3 hours to go. I really hope we can at least get another train going to compete with Sorian/B-Dubs. If they are town, with no competing wagons, scum can just put up their feet and relax at this point.
I'll admit, I don't think I have much of a read on xbro. I feel like they haven't been around at all and has gotten a pass due to Monkey vs Sorian taking up so much air.
New list!
Town side:
Coolest/LP - The double, unless it's fake, cements this slot as town for me. It's a little meh it got used on AbFat, but unless there's some evidence this is a weirder game than anticipated, that's a town power. I would really like to hear from LP about the message and the vote, but regardless, voting there isn't going to do a thing.
Stan/feps - As I mentioned, the split between them is a concern but feps's contributions feel more natural and invested today. It's easy for them to get lost but I think that's a game size issue. I felt also like I could more easily find Stan in himself today - he was earnestly flippant but there are good observations hidden in his posts that are all Stan. I think they should be heavily reassessed as time passes because their votes will be important but for today, I file them here.
Verelios/Apollo - Apollo being quieter isn't out of character for her though I hate to think we have another replacement on the horizon. Verelios can be slick but I don't read an agenda in his work today. He's trying to stay caught up and following his progression so far, I think he will be a good one to watch/engage tomorrow.
rac & Vincent Alexander - I know the continued sticking to Bae is a whole thing but honestly, Bae has been shady. I feel better about malus in that pairing and considering, that's an issue. So I can't fault them for that.
Kyanrute/empressdonna - donna's quiet but I like the way she responded when I asked her for specific things, and while Kyan is a harder read, the only thing that makes me flinch at all was his d1 EoD vote. If they are scum, Kyan will be cagier later game, I think.
Ab/Fat - I can't follow falling dominos far enough to see them as scum.
Geno/Sparky - Maybe this is not the best reason, but I feel like Sparky would have hinted at something so far if they were scum, and Geno's stubbornness was town and his coming back also fits with that. I wish he was doing more, but I believe this pair is town.
??Town??
Pirate Bae/malus
The deep conspiracy theory I can't buy. That's too much. But man, I am not feeling great about Bae and malus and Fanto's "she's just weird" doesn't cut it for me. Claiming the one-shot could easily be the new "but I got roleblocked" and with Coolest/LP possibly confirmed and Ab/Fat pretty confirmed, where was a semi-active depleted cop fall on the list of potential NKs fall? Very low. So that situation isn't likely to resolve itself. I will say it bothers me a little. I don't like most of Bae's choices around the claim or the reveal, the early breadcrumbs, especially the x-shot claim... just... there's a lot there that doesn't feel right. And yet all of it could just be weird town play. That makes it feel even worse. I don't know if I'll have time to go through her reads to pick things out but they feel... off.
malus feels a little better but not much. I could expand on that but I don't think there's much point at this time.
If Sorian is town, I feel worse about Pirate Bae/malus. Him giving them a pass makes sense. Her giving him a pass for "scum wouldn't do x" is straight up fucking wild. Honestly, I get almost no town feelings from her play except for hiding the gossips. All town cred comes from the claim. With Bae? That's risky.
PoE starts here:
Natiko/Terraforce and Fantomas/zippedpinhead - I don't think these are scum together. But both have raised a lot of red flags. Even my townread of Terra has me suspicious.
If Sorian is town, I lean more town on Fanto/Zipped - slightly. If Sorian is scum, I think I would reassess both teams.
Brazil and FluxwaveZ - Like many, I feel better about Brazil but I'm not giving him a townread yet. Flux is making noise and it's not helpful but it's hard to say if it's just Flux earnestly trying to solve the game from mechanics. These remain at the lighter side of my PoE, and I don't think I'd vote there today - other flips might give us more.
Xbro/Reki - has disappeared. There is a world in which Reki just got overwhelmed as a new player, but Xbro has fixated on the tiniest things to look busy. It's hard to see him as town in any scenario.
SkyOdin/TheChuggernaut - this one kinda hurts me? This is also very much an if Sorian is town, otherwise they might be null, but Sky feels now like he's playing both sides. Chuggs dropped back off, and that's a problem. And while Sky voiced pocket suspicion once before as I recall in a game long long ago, I have a small suspicion that he's done so here as a tactic. Scumreading both me and Sorian, too... I gotta agree with Sorian there. There's no way we are scum together here. And his read on Sorian was exactly mine, just compressed and without the posts to back it up. Do not like.
Sorian/B-Dubs - I'm not repeating all that about Sorian. I really struggle to see B-Dubs as town in this game, honestly. I had a longer post earlier; I can get it for people if they want.
Don't think I missed anyone. Gotta go in a few to retrieve a child and take her to art class, but I'll be here an hour before EoD.
Town side:
Coolest/LP - The double, unless it's fake, cements this slot as town for me. It's a little meh it got used on AbFat, but unless there's some evidence this is a weirder game than anticipated, that's a town power. I would really like to hear from LP about the message and the vote, but regardless, voting there isn't going to do a thing.
Stan/feps - As I mentioned, the split between them is a concern but feps's contributions feel more natural and invested today. It's easy for them to get lost but I think that's a game size issue. I felt also like I could more easily find Stan in himself today - he was earnestly flippant but there are good observations hidden in his posts that are all Stan. I think they should be heavily reassessed as time passes because their votes will be important but for today, I file them here.
Verelios/Apollo - Apollo being quieter isn't out of character for her though I hate to think we have another replacement on the horizon. Verelios can be slick but I don't read an agenda in his work today. He's trying to stay caught up and following his progression so far, I think he will be a good one to watch/engage tomorrow.
rac & Vincent Alexander - I know the continued sticking to Bae is a whole thing but honestly, Bae has been shady. I feel better about malus in that pairing and considering, that's an issue. So I can't fault them for that.
Kyanrute/empressdonna - donna's quiet but I like the way she responded when I asked her for specific things, and while Kyan is a harder read, the only thing that makes me flinch at all was his d1 EoD vote. If they are scum, Kyan will be cagier later game, I think.
Ab/Fat - I can't follow falling dominos far enough to see them as scum.
Geno/Sparky - Maybe this is not the best reason, but I feel like Sparky would have hinted at something so far if they were scum, and Geno's stubbornness was town and his coming back also fits with that. I wish he was doing more, but I believe this pair is town.
??Town??
Pirate Bae/malus
The deep conspiracy theory I can't buy. That's too much. But man, I am not feeling great about Bae and malus and Fanto's "she's just weird" doesn't cut it for me. Claiming the one-shot could easily be the new "but I got roleblocked" and with Coolest/LP possibly confirmed and Ab/Fat pretty confirmed, where was a semi-active depleted cop fall on the list of potential NKs fall? Very low. So that situation isn't likely to resolve itself. I will say it bothers me a little. I don't like most of Bae's choices around the claim or the reveal, the early breadcrumbs, especially the x-shot claim... just... there's a lot there that doesn't feel right. And yet all of it could just be weird town play. That makes it feel even worse. I don't know if I'll have time to go through her reads to pick things out but they feel... off.
malus feels a little better but not much. I could expand on that but I don't think there's much point at this time.
If Sorian is town, I feel worse about Pirate Bae/malus. Him giving them a pass makes sense. Her giving him a pass for "scum wouldn't do x" is straight up fucking wild. Honestly, I get almost no town feelings from her play except for hiding the gossips. All town cred comes from the claim. With Bae? That's risky.
PoE starts here:
Natiko/Terraforce and Fantomas/zippedpinhead - I don't think these are scum together. But both have raised a lot of red flags. Even my townread of Terra has me suspicious.
If Sorian is town, I lean more town on Fanto/Zipped - slightly. If Sorian is scum, I think I would reassess both teams.
Brazil and FluxwaveZ - Like many, I feel better about Brazil but I'm not giving him a townread yet. Flux is making noise and it's not helpful but it's hard to say if it's just Flux earnestly trying to solve the game from mechanics. These remain at the lighter side of my PoE, and I don't think I'd vote there today - other flips might give us more.
Xbro/Reki - has disappeared. There is a world in which Reki just got overwhelmed as a new player, but Xbro has fixated on the tiniest things to look busy. It's hard to see him as town in any scenario.
SkyOdin/TheChuggernaut - this one kinda hurts me? This is also very much an if Sorian is town, otherwise they might be null, but Sky feels now like he's playing both sides. Chuggs dropped back off, and that's a problem. And while Sky voiced pocket suspicion once before as I recall in a game long long ago, I have a small suspicion that he's done so here as a tactic. Scumreading both me and Sorian, too... I gotta agree with Sorian there. There's no way we are scum together here. And his read on Sorian was exactly mine, just compressed and without the posts to back it up. Do not like.
Sorian/B-Dubs - I'm not repeating all that about Sorian. I really struggle to see B-Dubs as town in this game, honestly. I had a longer post earlier; I can get it for people if they want.
Don't think I missed anyone. Gotta go in a few to retrieve a child and take her to art class, but I'll be here an hour before EoD.
dont want to vote xbro/reki because i like reki
dont want to vote sorian/dubs because... well i cant say i like their play but idk its not feeling like scum to me
dont want to vote monkey/stuart because i think i have good feels about stu?
dont wanna vote terra/nat because i like terra
chuggernaut/skyodin though... heck yeah i would love to lean here again today
dont want to vote sorian/dubs because... well i cant say i like their play but idk its not feeling like scum to me
dont want to vote monkey/stuart because i think i have good feels about stu?
dont wanna vote terra/nat because i like terra
chuggernaut/skyodin though... heck yeah i would love to lean here again today
At the risk of looking like I'm PR fishing, rac, if you're a cop and that's the foundation for your approach to Bae & malus, it might be better to claim it, but since you posted this, I doubt that's the case.
And Sorian vs me is crumbling fast, my dude, so hold your admiration, I guess.
Honestly, the one thing that makes me feel worst about you right now is your inability to put a read on either me or Natiko. You keep putting us both in this weird quarantine zone in your read list, and I don't like it. Just expand here please. What are these red flags? Why are Sorian and I Scum together? Why does Sorian being Town mean that I'm Town?
That's a good question.
Sorian thinks Natiko is scum and has strong alignment with your reads. A town Sorian being legit means I would focus more on Natiko and be more inclined to trust you.
I can't force a read; I don't have one on Natiko really at all. I see signs that could point to scum or town Natiko. I like Terra, but if Sorian is town I have to explore his reasons vs mine.
As for you, you just feel very half-hearted. I haven't moved you down because I know your partner has trouble keeping up from past play and you said something similar about the roster earlier so I haven't moved you up or down and probably wouldn't until there's vote-based reason to do so or the roster gets smaller.
I'm not gonna decide something until I'm ready to decide. That's always been my MO and I don't care how you read it; it is what it is.
Be back in a while.
Does SkyChugg seem more enticing? I'm down for anything to get a new wagon to appear here tbh.
Vote: SkyOdin
I'm not too passionate about my reads, so I can get that. I am really trying a thing now where I'm not going to go as hard into reading through tons of posts and stuff until I see a Scum flip, and we don't have one yet, so I am playing a bit chill. It's advice I received after Maple Street that I thought was really good tbh, I don't need to burn myself out so early, I can wait.
in general im a little too hesitant place votes, but
VOTE: TheChuggernaut
VOTE: empressdonna
I just can't jive with Donna's play so far. Lets just run through her reads:
I just can't jive with Donna's play so far. Lets just run through her reads:
The first compiled reads from her today. She has a few nulls, a couple scum (CS and Sorian), and the rest are all various levels of town reads.
Next she circles back to the nulls and comes away with more town reads. Well, at least there's the two scum reads in Coolest and Sorian.
The re-evaluation is good, I'm not gonna hate on that. I have no problem with reconsidering, but surely then we will have some stronger feelings for the other scum read:
Ah, a "feelings-based thing". So the approach to scum hunting is concerning, and even the town reading is almost entirely meta based "X is playing like they did in Y" over and over. Kyan's posts are more varied, but a lot of them have been scattershot - a comment here and there, posing a question then doubling back on it. There's a lack of firm stances on his end as well, and those he does take tend to be reasons for him to avoid voting on any current wagons. There's enough of that nagging concern about kyan to not overwrite my concerns on Donna.
I think SkyOdin's read on me is one of the few that actually feels genuine, it's hard contrasted with Chuggs who felt opportunistic as fuck. I'm really giving them the town pass because of Odin more than anything.
Can't yet speak of what feel enticing to me, the post was about how after the claim Chuggs had two pairs he suspected, B-Dubs / Sorian and Xbro / Reki. You know, just connecting a great number of people here without a single scum flip, nothing more.
Yeah, Natiko deciding to go from AB/Ty -> Coolest/Z-Beat -> Donna/Kyan is like... I don't know, it gives me vibes of him seeking out things that are wayyy too easy to go after here right now.
I'm going to park a vote with little reason other than following through with what I said just a bit ago: we need another competing train. I'm going to read up on Odin/Chugger now, but in the meantime:
Vote: SkyOdin
Vote: SkyOdin
Generalities / not true. I was a part of one of the D1 trains and so far there has been a single train today.
kyan/donna is a pair id definitely like to look into more but with these points it could go either way for me honestly. Im kind of sympathetic because i have a ton of town reads and a lot of them are based on feelings at this stage. I just dont think theres enough here (at least among what youve quoted) for me to think its that scummy
I'm really not too sure where my votes going to go. I'm doubting I will be available EoD, so wherever I go is probably where it will stay. If I'm going off the fauxunderdome (which I probably will as I'm thinking it's T/T), my top choices would be Sky/Chuggs, Reki/Xbro or Kyan/Donna in third. There are a couple other quieter trains I'd consider, but a couple are RL reasons I think and I'm generally willing to give those a day pass. Reki/Xbro is the quietest boat in the game but that's basically all that vote would be "too quiet". Given Reki is new and I don't have a great meta read of Xbro, it's entirely possible they're just quiet players. I could see a Stan/FEP vote also. Hm.. I have another 20 minutes or so before I leave the office and then I'll have spotty reception on the train and walking to my car.
I actually kind of like it, it's close enough that he should be condensing if he's scum, but two hours out and he's chasing a lead that's going no where? That's an interesting play. Not a clear by any means, he's been sensible as scum before but the oddity works for me.
First suspicious thing I've noticed about SkyOdin as I re-read posts: no avatar. Definitely a scum tell if I've ever seen one.
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==== DAY 2 VOTES ====
Day Start
Sorian & B-Dubs (7 votes)
Stuart444 - #1,860
Terraforce - #1,963
SkyOdin - #2,421
TheChuggernaut - #2,436
Stantastic - #2,635 #2,637
Stantastic - #2,637
empressdonna - #2,790
Dr. Monkey - #2,456
TheChuggernaut & SkyOdin (3 votes)
Apollo - #2,915
Fantomas - #2,914
Vincent Alexander - #2,921
Stuart444 & Dr. Monkey (3 votes)
Geno - #1,782 #2,694
Brazil - #2,823
Sorian - #1,826 #2,134
Sorian - #2,257
FluxWaveZ - #2,650
Ty4on & absolutbro (2 votes)
CoolestSpot - #2,612 #2,632
CoolestSpot - #2,632 (Double)
Natiko - #1,778 #2,089
empressdonna & Kyanrute (1 votes)
Natiko - #2,916
Pirate Bae & malus (1 votes)
rac - #2,255
Xbro & Reki (0 votes)
Fantomas - #2,887 #2,914
Sorian - #2,134 #2,257
CoolestSpot & Lone_Prodigy (0 votes)
Stuart444 - #1,787 #1,860
Natiko - #2,387 #2,744
Natiko & Terraforce (0 votes)
Fantomas - #1,995 #2,887
Vincent Alexander & rac (0 votes)
absolutbro - #2,829 #2,829
Not voting: Geno, Xbro, Lone_Prodigy, B-Dubs, flatearthpandas, Reki, absolutbro, Fat4All, Kyanrute, Funky Dude Sparks, Verelios, Pirate Bae, Zippedpinhead, malus
Post Counts:
Sorian: 119 Stuart444: 119 Dr. Monkey: 114 Fantomas: 88 Natiko: 58 CoolestSpot: 56 Terraforce: 54 Kyanrute: 41 Pirate Bae: 41 Brazil: 40 TheChuggernaut: 38 FluxWaveZ: 36 rac: 33 Z-Beat: 32 absolutbro: 31 Vincent Alexander: 29 Verelios: 23 flatearthpandas: 22 Geno: 22 empressdonna: 21 SkyOdin: 21 Stantastic: 19 Funky Dude Sparks: 16 B-Dubs: 15 Xbro: 13 Apollo: 10 malus: 9 Reki: 8 Fat4All: 8 Zippedpinhead: 8
Current Countdown:
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Day Start
Sorian & B-Dubs (7 votes)
Stuart444 - #1,860
Terraforce - #1,963
SkyOdin - #2,421
TheChuggernaut - #2,436
Stantastic - #2,637
empressdonna - #2,790
Dr. Monkey - #2,456
TheChuggernaut & SkyOdin (3 votes)
Apollo - #2,915
Fantomas - #2,914
Vincent Alexander - #2,921
Stuart444 & Dr. Monkey (3 votes)
Brazil - #2,823
Sorian - #2,257
FluxWaveZ - #2,650
Ty4on & absolutbro (2 votes)
CoolestSpot - #2,632 (Double)
empressdonna & Kyanrute (1 votes)
Natiko - #2,916
Pirate Bae & malus (1 votes)
rac - #2,255
Xbro & Reki (0 votes)
CoolestSpot & Lone_Prodigy (0 votes)
Natiko & Terraforce (0 votes)
Vincent Alexander & rac (0 votes)
Not voting: Geno, Xbro, Lone_Prodigy, B-Dubs, flatearthpandas, Reki, absolutbro, Fat4All, Kyanrute, Funky Dude Sparks, Verelios, Pirate Bae, Zippedpinhead, malus
Post Counts:
Sorian: 119 Stuart444: 119 Dr. Monkey: 114 Fantomas: 88 Natiko: 58 CoolestSpot: 56 Terraforce: 54 Kyanrute: 41 Pirate Bae: 41 Brazil: 40 TheChuggernaut: 38 FluxWaveZ: 36 rac: 33 Z-Beat: 32 absolutbro: 31 Vincent Alexander: 29 Verelios: 23 flatearthpandas: 22 Geno: 22 empressdonna: 21 SkyOdin: 21 Stantastic: 19 Funky Dude Sparks: 16 B-Dubs: 15 Xbro: 13 Apollo: 10 malus: 9 Reki: 8 Fat4All: 8 Zippedpinhead: 8
Current Countdown:
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Heck it, I need a vote and feel less town about SkyChugger than I do about Dr. Stuart or S-Dubs.
Vote: TheChuggernaut
I will try to keep checking in.
Vote: TheChuggernaut
I will try to keep checking in.
I may dislike generally everything you've done this game, but my boat buddy knows I'm less certain on you than he is. I've long said I suck at reading you and in general I've been trash this game so who knows, I'm honestly not sure. In my heart of hearts my concern is that you're just town and playing like ass. I can't even remember the last strong town game I've seen you play. You've still been killing it as scum/neutrals lately though. That's the meta read. Reading your play in this game in a vacuum though I'm far from impressed. You're taking combative stances without providing clear reasoning in my eyes and I've complained about it multiple times already. So ultimately, who the fuck knows. I would vote you over a town read at EOD, but that's about it.
Or I mean..if I wanted to go the easy route I could just follow my boat buddy onto Sorian who I have already voiced concerns over. Whatever you need to say to retrofit all my actions into your scumread though go for it.
You were on Bae, that's true enough. What have you done since then though? Like I said, I do like your play more but it isn't enough to remove my concern over Donna seemingly just floating through the game without doing any real scum hunting. Donna bouncing to re-evaluate Tybro, deciding she isn't convinced they're scum, and then just..sitting on a soft PR claim doesn't help matters.
Popping in before next stop: I wouldn't vote Kyan and donna today. That vote feels wrong, especially if led by Natiko here who felt like he was weirdly ramping up to it. Would love to hear from TheChuggernaut who has dropped off considerably.
If by "weirdly ramping up to it" you mean trying to see if there was any sustenance behind Donna's only scum reads that just hadn't been shared publicly, sure - I did that.
Natiko moaning about having trash reads on d2 of all days: scummy
Natiko combining meta with in-game analysis of Sorian and being frank about EoD: townie for Natiko
See, Fantomas - this is why I have him in my nullspace.
I am going to try to respond to this as best as I can because I admittedly am being silly and letting these things get me a little upset even though I know that this is just a game and that I could and should improve on it.
Hindsight sucks, I should have moved my vote and I regret not doing so but at that point, it would have probably gone back on CSBeat. I even said in our boat thread that I regretted it.
I might be afk for a bit now, sorry I'm really getting stupidly upset over this.
Sorry - I didn't mean anything in a mean way. I'm actually trying to behave this game given all the recent discussions. I also wasn't trying to call out IRL stuff either if that's the concern, I could dig up the post you made previously that made me think you were around and opting to not move if needed.
Get off this choo choo and join us on the other choo choo.
I know you didn't, this is on me. Just hard to see the screen right now due to tears so sorry if there is any typos here haha.
Yes. And it's super fun over here. Though I shouldn't push you to move because I'm not entirely convinced myself yet, and hoping Chugger shows up to spit some hot fire in response. I just want another train to compete with our leader to (possibly) force some discussion if scum are sitting on an easy town lunch for the day (Sorian/B-Dubs)