If Reade herself is saying she didn't file a complaint, there wouldn't be any corroborating document in the University of Delaware or The National Archives.Hillary was always screwed because of those emails that got deleted. I don't think releasing the University of Delaware files would end this entirely, but it would squash a bug that is currently standing out. There's no downside for him to do it either.
This is a pretty dangerous line of thinking, most commonly used to justify police states.
"If you're innocent, why wouldn't you just let the police search you? This is assuming you're not hiding anything however"
"If you're not a criminal, why would you care that the government is accessing doorbell cameras/phone records/web metadata and surveilling everyone? This is assuming you're not hiding anything however"
"If you're innocent, why would you plead the fifth? Assuming you're not hiding anything however"
etc etc
You understand that this will never happen though, right? He can do this privately (not that I believe he would), but publicly it would be an automatic Trump + 4 years.
she did not mention sexual assault at the time.
There's likely a metric ton of downside for him to do because there's probably skeletons in that closet. If there was no downside do you really think he would be refusing?Hillary was always screwed because of those emails that got deleted. I don't think releasing the University of Delaware files would end this entirely, but it would squash a bug that is currently standing out. There's no downside for him to do it either.
No it would be the fault of the people who want him to be the president more so than anyone else. Those people being votersHe shouldn't have run for office in the first place. If Trump gets another term it won't be the fault of Tara Reade, Bernie Sanders, people who didn't want to vote for a rapist or even the electoral college, it will be the fault of Joe Biden for running and the DNC for going all in despite his creepyness, the sexual assault allegation and the fact that he may be the second most incoherent politican in America behind Donald Trump.
Why do some of you guys want Biden to fail. He's our only hope. Though luck. There's no alternative. Just swallow it full. It isn't fair? God knows it isn't. Welcome to planet earth.
I agree with this ostensibly. Except for the fact that Joe Biden is a public figure. A simple search for files with her name in it would be enough.
It is so frustrating how so many people here act like Joe failing is anyone's fault but his. His one job from now until November is to get people to vote for him. If he can't do that, why the hell did he even run?He shouldn't have run for office in the first place. If Trump gets another term it won't be the fault of Tara Reade, Bernie Sanders, people who didn't want to vote for a rapist or even the electoral college, it will be the fault of Joe Biden for running and the DNC for going all in despite his creepyness, the sexual assault allegation and the fact that he may be the second most incoherent politican in America behind Donald Trump.
People wanted an admission and stepping down.Good response. I don't know what else people expected him to say.
I agree with this ostensibly. Except for the fact that Joe Biden is a public figure. A simple search for files with her name in it would be enough. He is entitled to not give it up, the police shouldn't force him, but the people he expects to vote for him should expect him to. If he doesn't then the public should hold him accountable politically. Additionally, if his goal is to defeat Trump and he is innocent then it's a moral necessity for him to fully discredit this story.
He shouldn't have run for office in the first place. If Trump gets another term it won't be the fault of Tara Reade, Bernie Sanders, people who didn't want to vote for a rapist or even the electoral college, it will be the fault of Joe Biden for running and the DNC for going all in despite his creepyness, the sexual assault allegation and the fact that he may be the second most incoherent politican in America behind Donald Trump.
I'm not trying to judge this on a curve or anything along those lines. I have intentionally not jumped in to these discussions prior because I'm not quite sure how to feel about it. If anything resembling a credible accusation emerges, societal expectation should be that the claim should at least be investigated - At least. But in a lot of threads where it has nothing to do with anything, in a lot of threads where this is discussed, it seems like no matter what is said or done, some users here and elsewhere aren't going to give Joe Biden credit for anything at all here.
To be clear, Biden wasn't my first, second, or third choice for the nomination of the Democratic Party. But in this scenario, I have literally no idea what those users actually want from him if they're being genuine and sincere. He denied these allegations pretty strongly a year ago. He's now put out what I, at least, consider to be a more than decent statement with regards to this issue, and actually welcomed an investigation into this. He's made a request to bring up these documents if they exist so that everyone can see it. He will have no control over what they put out. But some of you are still acting like this isn't enough.
Insofar as the University of Delaware stuff, I'm sure that's where all the latest conspiracy theorists will go to, but I mean, who would donate personnel files to that specific archive? It doesn't really have any bearing there, and never did. I don't understand why that would be "suspicious" or acting like he's hiding something. This seems to be a more than earnest effort to clear his name. Taking claims of sexual harassment or assault seriously is a good thing, but in this case, we should look at the totality of the situation and at least afford Joe Biden some semblance of innocent until proven guilty here.
I agree here. I was mostly going after the "unless you have something to hide" part of what I was quoting. Biden not doing something that could exonerate him isn't and shouldn't be read as evidence itself of guilt. In the same a missing email server can't itself be presumed to contain damning Benghazi emails or whatever.I agree with this ostensibly. Except for the fact that Joe Biden is a public figure. A simple search for files with her name in it would be enough. He is entitled to not give it up, the police shouldn't force him, but the people he expects to vote for him should expect him to. If he doesn't then the public should hold him accountable politically. Additionally, if his goal is to defeat Trump and he is innocent then it's a moral necessity for him to fully discredit this story.
The line of thinking you use feels similar to when people justify saying horribly offensive things with "But freedom of speech" (Obviously you're acting in much better faith than the people that use that argument, but you get my point nonetheless). Just because something is legal does not mean it is moral and arguing against an action does not mean you think it should be illegal.
Yeah there's something in there he doesn't want people to see. Whether it's related to Tara Reade or not, we may never know.There's likely a metric ton of downside for him to do because there's probably skeletons in that closet. If there was no downside do you really think he would be refusing?
Hillary was always screwed because of those emails that got deleted. I don't think releasing the University of Delaware files would end this entirely, but it would squash a bug that is currently standing out. There's no downside for him to do it either.
This cnn article at least has a statement to that effect.I agree here. I was mostly going after the "unless you have something to hide" part of what I was quoting. Biden not doing something that could exonerate him isn't and shouldn't be read as evidence itself of guilt. In the same a missing email server can't itself be presumed to contain damning Benghazi emails or whatever.
What I'd want to know is if Biden's claim that the complaint would be in the National Archives is true or not (is that actually where they all go, I don't know)?
The demand isn't that he release the whole set of records, only that he allow a search for records relating to Tara Reade and release any that are found.There is an obvious downside. There's a reason files like these are usually only released after a politician retires. They reveal 'how the sausage is made' with regards to law-making, foreign affairs, and general politicking. They reveal frank, candid, and ugly discussions and quotes that could be used as political fodder. Just think of all the mileage that was gotten from all of the Clinton campaign emails
This is really bad I'm sorry. This is the reason women don't come forward. We can be better than thisThat tweet from 2017 where she refers to him as "My old boss" doesn't sit right with me. Maybe it's just me, but I know I don't refer to the guy who tried to get me drunk and rape me as "My old drinking buddy". I wouldn't like a bunch of his tweets. I wouldn't like a bunch of tweets praising him. I know people do funny things, but I just get so much cognitive dissonance when I try to reconcile that stuff.
Yeah, you can definitely tell he was a federal prosecutor as he's more concerned with poking holes in the story than finding the truth (also the weird Sanders - Russia connection he not so subtly tries to make). But I'm guessing a (far better) PR version of the main topics will end up as the main argument against the allegation. Even if it's not fair to the accuser.
It's a shitty situation where neither side can ever prove themselves right and the truth could very well be in a gray area. All we're ever gonna get is hot takes from 3rd parties. There's no winners to be had here, especially for other victims of sexual assault.
That tweet from 2017 where she refers to him as "My old boss" doesn't sit right with me. Maybe it's just me, but I know I don't refer to the guy who tried to get me drunk and rape me as "My old drinking buddy". I wouldn't like a bunch of his tweets. I wouldn't like a bunch of tweets praising him. I know people do funny things, but I just get so much cognitive dissonance when I try to reconcile that stuff.
This is really bad I'm sorry. This is the reason women don't come forward. We can be better than this
Barring new victims or evidence coming to light, this was always going to be the eventual outcome. He handled this about as well as he could politically (for now) and did it without trashing Reade like Trump has done with his victims with defenses like "she's not even my type".Good response. I don't know what else people expected him to say.
really who knows? i'm sure similar dynamics are at play when victims of abuse from family members don't speak out, or indeed, act as if everything was good. it's a pretty bad situation. not that im saying that this is what happened here. but i dont think it's unreasonable that this is something quite common.It's one thing to have said nothing, but to have publicly praised the person? Come on, she could have said or liked nothing. It's weird to have publicly praised him.
It's good we can come to an agreement here: "unless you have something to hide" was definitely wrong phrasing on my part.I agree here. I was mostly going after the "unless you have something to hide" part of what I was quoting. Biden not doing something that could exonerate him isn't and shouldn't be read as evidence itself of guilt. In the same a missing email server can't itself be presumed to contain damning Benghazi emails or whatever.
What I'd want to know is if Biden's claim that the complaint would be in the National Archives is true or not (is that actually where they all go, I don't know)?
He does I'm just saying that the headline CNN chose doesn't exactly lean that way as his statement did continue to say you should presume they are telling the truth.Why? He addressed this exact juxtaposition. He is still arguing that you should presume they are telling the truth
really who knows? i'm sure similar dynamics are at play when victims of abuse from family members don't speak out, or indeed, act as if everything was good. it's a pretty bad situation.
It's weird? Maybe she hadn't processed what had happened to her yet or dissociated from it. I don't know how hard I can hammer home the idea that: this kind of talk makes women stay silent.It's one thing to have said nothing, but to have publicly praised the person? Come on, she could have said or liked nothing. It's weird to have publicly praised him.
In files he donated for preservation. Lol.Yeah there's something in there he doesn't want people to see. Whether it's related to Tara Reade or not, we may never know.
His physical disability is your barometer of truthfulness? The fuck.Holy shit, i just watched the clip of him trying to answer why he won't allow access on a search for Tara's name in the files and it's so damn obvious he's lying. His body language and stuttering says it all.
Yeah there's something in there he doesn't want people to see. Whether it's related to Tara Reade or not, we may never know.
really who knows? i'm sure similar dynamics are at play when victims of abuse from family members don't speak out, or indeed, act as if everything was good. it's a pretty bad situation.
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He's already addressed his creepiness. Hidden behind boomer logic, but says he'll do better.
wow this post fucking sucks. we're really just grasping at straws now to call rape victims liars huhThat tweet from 2017 where she refers to him as "My old boss" doesn't sit right with me. Maybe it's just me, but I know I don't refer to the guy who tried to get me drunk and rape me as "My old drinking buddy". I wouldn't like a bunch of his tweets. I wouldn't like a bunch of tweets praising him. I know people do funny things, but I just get so much cognitive dissonance when I try to reconcile that stuff.
Does he have a physical disability? Forgive me i'm a non American so i was ignorant to that. I still think his body language is all wrong though.In files he donated for preservation. Lol.
His physical disability is your barometer of truthfulness? The fuck.