Just moving the goal posts. Because you are right, if he had named her, people would be upset that he was calling her a liar, targeting her to more harassment etc.
Joe Biden denies he sexually assaulted a former Senate aide
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Just moving the goal posts. Because you are right, if he had named her, people would be upset that he was calling her a liar, targeting her to more harassment etc.
It seems obvious to me that Biden didn't respond to this in the way some people expected him to and now they need to scurry and find something else to attack him for.
He is asking for the release of records from the very place it is claimed to be at, which means he is allowing Reade to be heard and her claims to be vetted.
This is a nice read. Thanks for posting it.It is but it's hard to tell how much of it is the system turning on her. This opinion piece is the main counter-argument I've seen passed around:
Why I'm skeptical about Reade's sexual assault claim against Biden: Ex-prosecutor
If we must blindly accept every allegation of sexual assault, the #MeToo movement is just a hit squad. And it's too important to be no more than that.www.usatoday.com
Note: I posted that as an answer, not an endorsement of the viewpoint
The implication of his denial is the same whether he says her name or not. That she's lying. It was a lose-lose situation for him though.
The investigations they did into Kavanaugh were a complete fucking sham.
I hate the fact that the farther in the past alleged crimes like this happened, the easier it is for people to deny, deflect, etc., and avoid a full investigation. But take heart in that things have overall generally improved. Alleged crimes like this nowadays are prosecuted much more vigorously. We must acknowledge the progress that has been made over the years. Things aren't perfect, but they have improved. Please dont give in to despair :(
It's not. It pushes the usual "perfect victim" myth that has been proven wrong multiple times over.
Why did she wait so long? Why did she still support Biden a few years ago? Why didn't she talk about the rape last year?
What Harvey Weinstein's trial taught us about sexual assault
The former movie mogul’s trial has elicited a wide-ranging conversation about how victims of sexual misconduct are expected to behave. Clémence Michallon speaks to experts about the aftermath of such attacks – and their impact on the judicial process
www.independent.co.uk
If you support sexual assault survivors stop posting that article.
Did you read it or just skim it? If you read it you wouldn't post "If you support sexual assault survivors stop posting that article." The man carefully and meticulously explains why he is skeptical about her allegations instead of just making an argument based on emotion. He also a former prosecutor not just a talking head. He goes over multiple issues with her story and why they create issues for a would be prosecutor in her case. Should we not be thorough? Why do you get to decide what is allowed to support survivors?It's not. It pushes the usual "perfect victim" myth that has been proven wrong multiple times over.
Why did she wait so long? Why did she still support Biden a few years ago? Why didn't she talk about the rape last year?
What Harvey Weinstein's trial taught us about sexual assault
The former movie mogul’s trial has elicited a wide-ranging conversation about how victims of sexual misconduct are expected to behave. Clémence Michallon speaks to experts about the aftermath of such attacks – and their impact on the judicial process
If you support sexual assault survivors stop posting that article.
I did read it. He's pushing an old, debunked narrative about how sexual assault victims respond to trauma.
No this is not a "one size fits all" narrative. He's making specific points about her case, not victims in general. Its thinking like this that actually weakens the #metoo movement. Not all accusations, or attempts to question accusations are created equal.
I don't understand how an official archive is supposed to have useful information in it.
He is hardly going to file a confession. I would imagine it also very difficult for the victim to come forward and complain (in a manner that would be recorded), in a culture where their boss can torpedo their future.
Not sure how it shows transparency. Seems somewhat diversionary.
He is hardly going to file a confession. I would imagine it also very difficult for the victim to come forward and complain (in a manner that would be recorded), in a culture where their boss can torpedo their future.
Not sure how it shows transparency. Seems somewhat diversionary.
I would recommend reading the article I posted earlier as it reputs most of the points brought up in the USA Today article.
Otherwise we can agree to disagree.
Diversionary on whose part though? He's the one being pressured to do it. People are hoping for some record of disciplinary action or mention of her coming to the staffers to counter their claims that they never heard of any complaint. It's a long shot though.
I just wanted to say thank you for this post. I always try to not express despair here but I let it slip out. What you said is helpful to me, thank you.
Reade believes it has relevant information, Biden is going to release said relevant information. How is that Diversionary?
No, he absolutely is making statements about victims in general in that article, I read it last night. It's full of victim-blaming tropes and perfect victim crap.
Federal prosecutors are not experts in sexual abuse trauma and we shouldn't treat them as if they are. Prosecutor conduct is a massive part of why our justice system handles these cases so poorly. USA Today also published an opinion article by a different federal prosecutor in response to this saying Reade is credible but Dr. Ford isn't. It's all political gamesmanship bullshit.
It is but it's hard to tell how much of it is the system turning on her. This opinion piece is the main counter-argument I've seen passed around:
Why I'm skeptical about Reade's sexual assault claim against Biden: Ex-prosecutor
If we must blindly accept every allegation of sexual assault, the #MeToo movement is just a hit squad. And it's too important to be no more than that.www.usatoday.com
Note: I posted that as an answer, not an endorsement of the viewpoint
Michigans Gov Whitmer also came out and said she had doubts as well
She said she filed a complaint at the time. So he's claiming if she did file that complaint, it would be in the senate archives. I'm assuming it wouldn't be since Obama must have vetted Biden like a mofo considering how badly the GOP was looking for shit to hit him with. So Biden know's there's nothing in the archive either because she didn't file a report or someone at the time covered for him somehow.
He better hope there's nothing there because that was a hard denial on camera. That would be as big as Clinton if somehow Reid is proven to be telling the truth.
Ok I took the time to read the article you posted earlier. I see how the Independent article could account for her waiting to come forward or being hesitant to speak out against Biden. I don't feel it covers her keeping her work documents but not her complaint note, not saying when it happened, the strange love affair with Putin and Russia, the support of Bernie then deciding to come out when he started loosing, her supporting Biden's fight against sexual assault in 2017 (really strange) and how her story changed and got worse as time went on.
I know I understand "Old School, that looks like nitpicking her story and not listening to her". True, but a couple of those, namely the Russia stuff, the Bernie stuff, and the supporting Biden in 2017 stuff, look real weird and I don't think PTSD would cause you to do those things. I think that's why the author chose to say he was skeptical, not that she was lying. I'm not saying she's lying either, just that some of that information looks bad from the perspective of a court case.
I was gonna say that entire article was disgusting and clearly doesn't give a fuck about victims
That's what makes me doubt her as well. She spoke out against Biden's inappropriate touching before.. why leave out something so horrible as a rape? It doesn't make sense to me.
Because rape is traumatizing and people don't want to relive it once, let alone every waking hour following their public accusation
Biden Requests Documents From Senate Archives
People that think that women (and men) can very easily report rape have no fucking clue about how this world works.
For real. The whole "if it was that bad, why didn't they just report it" mentality grates my nerves because everyone can see how tantalizingly close they are to getting the point.
The point, for the record, is "they didn't report it because it is a traumatic experience that they very likely want to forget."
if a guilty person knows there was no complaint
no clue if thats the case in this instance tho
I absolutely understand that... but why make the rape accusation months later?
Shy of outright stepping down, this is the most he can do.
Edit: Is this real? I see nothing about it yet on USA Today or CNN.
regardless of searching whatever archives, i think he did that shit and i think he'll most likely get away with it. that's just how shit usually works in america.
going forward, people will have to grapple with their own internal morality on this one. and everyone will come down at a different place depending on past experience and present circumstance.
it's really hard out there and tying trump into things complicates it tremendously. and i know he's absolutely terrible enough that i absolutely would not begrudge anyone voting for biden. on the sliding karmic scale, trump is just that fucking rotten.
going forward, people will have to grapple with their own internal morality on this one. and everyone will come down at a different place depending on past experience and present circumstance.
it's really hard out there and tying trump into things complicates it tremendously. and i know he's absolutely terrible enough that i absolutely would not begrudge anyone voting for biden. on the sliding karmic scale, trump is just that fucking rotten.
No, it was a hearing.
But still, Ometeotl fully understands the difference between my post here and drive-by victim blaming posts. It's why he hasn't returned to this thread to reply again after his backseat moderating post.
I believe Ms. Reade said that the complaint didn't mention anything assault happened, so a guilty man would do this.
Good on Joe Biden though, he needed to do this.
It's tough. Allegations like these need to be taken seriously, and victims need to feel free to defend themselves from their attackers. But, these are crimes, and you cannot actually convict someone in the court of public opinion. There needs to be due diligence, and proof of a crime. Still, I don't blame anyone who doesn't want to vote for him in the light of this situation.
You just need to resign yourself to the fact that the alternative to a Biden presidency is much, much worse in every respect. Even in light of sexual assaults specifically, Trump is much worse.
You just need to resign yourself to the fact that the alternative to a Biden presidency is much, much worse in every respect. Even in light of sexual assaults specifically, Trump is much worse.
Because relitigating your rape on the national stage is traumatic.
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