I honestly don't think KL burns down after the WW invasion, I think it burns before and for different reasons. Which would make Dany's end go differently if at all the same. I also don't think Tyrion ends up where he is either.
#1. The show never really framed it as such.
#2. That is stupid.
I honestly don't think KL burns down after the WW invasion, I think it burns before and for different reasons. Which would make Dany's end go differently if at all the same. I also don't think Tyrion ends up where he is either.
It felt like the exact opposite of something GRRM would do.It's crazy how we just fast forwarded weeks after Dany was assassinated and shown none of the fallout of it, i a show with huge amounts of political intrigue everything was just hunky-dory, Greyworm and Dany's soldiers didn't lose their shit, everyone just capitulated to the will of a bunch of lords after having conquered Westeros in the name of breaking the wheel.
It's crazy how we just fast forwarded weeks after Dany was assassinated and shown none of the fallout of it, i a show with huge amounts of political intrigue everything was just hunky-dory, Greyworm and Dany's soldiers didn't lose their shit, everyone just capitulated to the will of a bunch of lords after having conquered Westeros in the name of breaking the wheel.
Keep fighting the good fight. I've given up on trying to explain to people why this season sucks so fucking much
It was one of the main reason Dany turned mad and burned King's landing. The show definitely showed her viewing Jon as a threat and drove a wedge between them.
It's crazy how we just fast forwarded weeks after Dany was assassinated and shown none of the fallout of it, i a show with huge amounts of political intrigue everything was just hunky-dory, Greyworm and Dany's soldiers didn't lose their shit, everyone just capitulated to the will of a bunch of lords after having conquered Westeros in the name of breaking the wheel.
Could be that Dany is killed by Jon, and then he goes on to beat the WWs with his flaming sword.
It would fit with GRRM's scouring of the shire, where Dany is Sauron and the Others/NK or whatever is Saruman.
Jon gives up the throne to go and save the world. Tyrion and co have to elect a new king.
It's crazy how we just fast forwarded weeks after Dany was assassinated and shown none of the fallout of it, i a show with huge amounts of political intrigue everything was just hunky-dory, Greyworm and Dany's soldiers didn't lose their shit, everyone just capitulated to the will of a bunch of lords after having conquered Westeros in the name of breaking the wheel.
Is Arya a queen though? Is she invading a country demanding that everyone bend to her rule? Do people act like she's all good?
According to r/gameofthrones, apparently GRRM responded to this blog post from 2013 with "This guy gets it" regarding Dany:
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/gameofthrones/comments/bo1ast/spoilers_found_on_twitter_apparently_grrm/
Good thing you missed the point which is framing Dany as some unhinged psycho before episode 5 was silly.Good thing the show makes it clear there are shades of grey and very few people are just "good" or "evil".
You can imagine them writing that and thinking 'those fucking morons will love this shit!!'Forgot about Drogon, a fucking dragon, suddenly forming a conscience and exposition in torching the Iron Throne.
Fuck. Me.
How was it cheap? Jaime didn't deserve redemption (and neither did Theon) he was an attempted child murderer and rapist. They were always toxic together and died together. The newly knighted Brienne writing his fate down on the book was rather sad and presumely then becoming the honorable lord commander he often failed to be.Let's also not forget how cheap of a death Jaime and Cersei, the original villain, had
Could be that Dany is killed by Jon, and then he goes on to beat the WWs with his flaming sword.
It would fit with GRRM's scouring of the shire, where Dany is Sauron and the Others/NK or whatever is Saruman.
Jon gives up the throne to go and save the world. Tyrion and co have to elect a new king.
Seriously, like you mean to tell me Greyworm, who was just as bloodthirsty as Dany would capitulate to the will of a bunch of Lords? That he wouldn't have just killed Tyrion and Jon? That the unsullied wouldn't? How did the ruling council of Lords even come to be in the power vacuum that was left? The unsullied and Dany's soldiers didn't follow any of those people, they had no reason to listen to them. Greyworm had no reason to listen to them, and as the commander of the armies he had all the power.Dany getting killed should've been an episode ending with the entire next episode covering the reaction.
gonna ask again, i'm quite sure i read somewhere long ago that we're getting multiple movies?
this isn't the end right?
To have her turn into Dragon Hitler and be murdered by a man after everything she's gone through would be a sexist narrative. I don't know why this is so hard to understand.
I suspect it will happen in the books too. One way or another, the Iron Throne will be melted down and the most likely way will dragon fire.Forgot about Drogon, a fucking dragon, suddenly forming a conscience and exposition in torching the Iron Throne.
Fuck. Me.
Seriously, fuck Arya. I hate her character so fucking much.
Seriously, like you mean to tell me Greyworm, who was just as bloodthirsty as Dany would capitulate to the will of a bunch of Lords? That he wouldn't have just killed Tyrion and Jon? That the unsullied wouldn't? How did the ruling council of Lords even come to be in the power vacuum that was left? The unsullied and Dany's soldiers didn't follow any of those people, they had no reason to listen to them.
I mean, for him. Having the legitimate right to sit in the throne and got nothing than a horse and his dog back.It was one of the main reason Dany turned mad and burned King's landing. The show definitely showed her viewing Jon as a threat and drove a wedge between them.
I'm going to be so bold as to say for this to be sexist, it requires malicious intent - a sexist objective. I don't think a character doing what Daenarys did can be considered sexist. If what happened is born from sexist ideas, like "lol, she's on her period", then that's sexist. Not allowing Daenarys to have a arc where she turns mad isn't what we should fight for. We've had tons of strong female characters with both masculine and feminine traits throughout the show. While the setting is based on a 'sexist' setting, like men being the rightful heir, the show does a good job of exploring those ideas.
It's just firing off a shot at sexism where one doesn't belong to say this is a sexist narrative. The implication is that this is what the Targaryans do. The implication is that Daenarys convinced herself that she was right. She was mad in her own way, where you couldn't convince her she wasn't mad. It's a great arc of the justifications people do for the behavior they hate in themselves. That's about being human. Not about being a woman. And as such, I can't see how it is sexist.
ah ok, thanks
Seriously, fuck Arya. I hate her character so fucking much.
Everything about her is so one dimensional "Im a badass" bullshit. She gets zero consequences for anything, and walks away from everything completely unscathed.
Nah those seasons didn't exist. Arya was a badass from day 1, no consequences for her actions, nothing. She was too cool for any of that.Do you not recall the first five years of her journey? Let's not mistake what she became with what she was, or her journey toward it.
She had one of the best arch's on the show
I mentally checked out when Jon didn't get his 1v1 against the NK I think. That was his fight, its what he obsessed about all those seasons, what he fought for, why he tried to unite everyone over.
That was his story. "None of this throne shit matters you idiots." etc then he doesn't even get to do anything.
All my disappointment still stems back to that battle I think, they really should have done the Westeros stuff first, burn the throne to the ground then gone and faced the WW to end the show. And in that BATTLE OF ALL MANKIND all the houses and lands are left so decimated they have no choice but rebuild the world and rebuild how it is governed *roll credits*.
from the moment people said Dany was "obviously" going to go mad/crazy i have been directly comparing her to Arya and asking how they would feel about a sudden MaD AsSasSiN
its such BS
I was surprised how unenthusiastic Jon was to see Tormund. Everyone wanted the dog petting but where was the Tormund hug?Okay so here's a specific example of how poorly executed this show's become right to the end.
Jon being exiled to the North is a happy ending for the boy, but they did literally nothing to communicate that to us. I mean, it's clearly good for Jon: the guy who doesn't want to rule, has always felt a great burden in protecting the world from unspeakable dangers, is never at peace, literally told Tormund two episodes ago "I wish I could hang out with ya'll but my duty is down in King's Landing now" and yet, there's been a heap of confusion about Jon's departure and people feeling like he got the raw end of the stick.
This is supposed to be a moment of relief for Jon. The weight of the world is off his shoulders and he's free to live a simple and wholesome life from here on out, but all the visual language of the sequence suggested otherwise. It looked like "oh here we fucking go again, trapped on this miserable pile again" when it should have been a moment of elation for him. The warmth in his eyes should have returned (I don't think he smiled once besides when he reunited with the direwolf), his shoulders should have lifted, and most importantly: when they go past the wall, don't end on some fucking bland shot of him strolling into the woods. What the hell is that? End with him chilling on top of a serene mountain with Tormund and the gang, looking content or at least relieved.
Even earlier on Tyrion's giving him (what he thinks is) the bad news, but Jon would spring to life and immediately recognise how good of an opportunity this is. "That's the worst they could throw at me?" It's relatively minor, but it's indicative of the way this whole season (and back) have been going about doing things.
How would your expectations be subverted then?I mentally checked out when Jon didn't get his 1v1 against the NK I think. That was his fight, its what he obsessed about all those seasons, what he fought for, why he tried to unite everyone over.
That was his story. "None of this throne shit matters you idiots." etc then he doesn't even get to do anything.
All my disappointment still stems back to that battle I think, they really should have done the Westeros stuff first, burn the throne to the ground then gone and faced the WW to end the show. And in that BATTLE OF ALL MANKIND all the houses and lands are left so decimated they have no choice but rebuild the world and rebuild how it is governed *roll credits*.
I'm going to be so bold as to say for this to be sexist, it requires malicious intent - a sexist objective. I don't think a character doing what Daenarys did can be considered sexist. If what happened is born from sexist ideas, like "lol, she's on her period", then that's sexist. Not allowing Daenarys to have a arc where she turns mad isn't what we should fight for. We've had tons of strong female characters with both masculine and feminine traits throughout the show. While the setting is based on a 'sexist' setting, like men being the rightful heir, the show does a good job of exploring those ideas.
It's just firing off a shot at sexism where one doesn't belong to say this is a sexist narrative. The implication is that this is what the Targaryans do. The implication is that Daenarys convinced herself that she was right. She was mad in her own way, where you couldn't convince her she wasn't mad. It's a great arc of the justifications people do for the behavior they hate in themselves. That's about being human. Not about being a woman. And as such, I can't see how it is sexist.