Final Fantasy VII: Ever Crisis will have gacha system for the weapons
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I get that, I totally understand companies are in business to make a profit. But surely there's a line right? Things like gacha, loot boxes, fifa packs make an absurd amount of profit to the detriment of their customers. I know some people don't spend a dime and thank others for their patronage,but this shit ruins lives. It's corporate greed.
As someone who's never played a gacha game but still really wants to play through this...is that impossible without spending money? Is there any way to enjoy these types of games without spending a cent? Sigh. I really wanted to play through the Before Crisis content, at least.
This is going to vary greatly from person to person. Some people can walk into a casino, laugh off the $50 they lost and walk out no problem, some people go to the ATM and try and get their money back. These mechanics can be incredibly dangerous to someone with that type of mentality.
With that being said, the overwhelming majority of mobile gamers don't spend money, and the games are built to keep you coming back with daily and weekly rewards. I've played hundreds of hours of Final Fantasy Opera Omnia and Tales of Crestoria and never been tempted to buy anything (mainly because you'll quickly realize how over priced the currency is and how you should just keep taking advantage of the dailies).
This game sounds alot like Opera Omnia, which you absolutely don't need to spend money on just for the story, the MTX are for obsessed players who want the best of everything.
Again if this is like opera omnia, I have a hard time seeing how someone would spend money on a weapon considering how easy it is to get a good weapon. (Then again I've gotten lucky with the top weapons and I've never put a penny into that, but dragalia lost or genshin otoh I've put money into when I played them)
I've played Brave Exvius on and off for the past 2 years and I haven't spent a single cent
Gacha isn't that bad. Most Gacha you can get through story content without needing to pay a cent. I think the main issue is, which is something that I knew from the start, its not really the alternate remake people were expecting. Its just a recap with a bunch of other stuff going on and isn't going to be a good substitute for the OG's story.
I'd pay full price for the game, and it's free, so it's not a big deal to me. Maybe I'll end up spending more than I would have if it were a paid game, maybe not. Depends on how good it is and how necessary better weapons are. I have a feeling they won't be necessary to clear the story.
Quick way to ruin any good will this game may have had to fans of the original :). Unsure why they couldn't just charge for the game rather than F2P gacha nonsense
This makes more money; people don't shell out $60+ upfront for a game on mobile devices.
Ya'll really haven't been paying attention to the industry if you think this is going to ruin anything outside of the bubble that is era that still acts like it's 2011 with mobile games.
Can't wait for all things FF7.
Signed, fan of the original.
I mean, they wouldn't need to charge $60. FFXV Pocket Edition was like $20, from what I understand. Even then, that's a pretty large number for a mobile game, even if the quality is good, hence microtransactions.
Eh, it wouldn't be out of the question to keep something that breaks even but doesn't profit, at least for a while, if other revenue streams are there (like FFXIV). After all, something like Ever Crisis would end up being advertising for the Remake and for Square's other games. But making money is still the goal, like you said, and it seems like the industry is having a hard time figuring out how to balance making money with being fair to consumers in general with the price of console games staying the same despite rising costs. Mobile just makes that harder, since microtransactions/gacha systems are so widespread as it is.
Like you said, though, you can get through the game for free. That's the good part about f2p games with microtransactions (as long as they're not super predatory). Problem is, it takes advantage of children who don't understand it and people prone to gambling addiction :/
I was down for just paying (either for the whole thing, for each chapter, or for each game collection). I would've much rather just paid instead of getting it for free with a gacha system for weapons. The only way this becomes okay is if literally no stats are tied to weapons at all and they're just cosmetic. Likelihood of that? Zero.
Too many question with this game, it has my full attention tbh.
Seriously, how long is it gonna take to finish the whole thing? The battles uses models from 7R, does that mean those 9 chapters will take the entire lifecycle of development of the remake? Like we have to wait for the final chapter of 7R so they can reuse those assets to complete this game?
And this is only for the OG, what are they going to do for the compilation then? Are they going to do unique battle models because they no can no longer reuse stuff? Because you know, Angeal is not in the original for example..or does that mean that the remake will show events from CC, DoC and AC too? Like we're gonna fight friggin Kadaj in part 2 or 3? Ahhhh my head hurts...
Seriously, how long is it gonna take to finish the whole thing? The battles uses models from 7R, does that mean those 9 chapters will take the entire lifecycle of development of the remake? Like we have to wait for the final chapter of 7R so they can reuse those assets to complete this game?
And this is only for the OG, what are they going to do for the compilation then? Are they going to do unique battle models because they no can no longer reuse stuff? Because you know, Angeal is not in the original for example..or does that mean that the remake will show events from CC, DoC and AC too? Like we're gonna fight friggin Kadaj in part 2 or 3? Ahhhh my head hurts...
VIIR part one already directly reuses scenes from Advent Children, so it's very possible we get more content from the Comp in the next parts.
However just because they are using VIIR assets so far, doesn't mean they won't also create original assets in the VIIR style for the other parts and not actually just take things from those games.
I'm a fan of the original too, but I don't think it's fair to say that disliking gacha or f2p is dated or in a bubble. This game following a gacha model might not really make a huge impact on the industry as a whole, but it does contribute to a trend that can (and does) take advantage of people. I don't think gacha is the Worst Thing Ever, but there are certainly problems with it and how widespread it is in mobile.
You've gotten a few other responses, but I'll throw mine in too. It really depends on the game and on your personality--some people have huge problems with gacha because it can prey on gambling addicts. If you want to have the Best Things In The Game and that's how you play everything, this isn't the kind of game for you. I can't speak to Square's gacha games since I've only dabbled a little in Record Keeper and played the first few minutes of Opera Omnia, but I play Genshin Impact regularly, which is said to be pretty bad with its odds. I've spent some money here and there (its battle pass a few times because I put so much time into the game), but it was totally playable even without. Most games of this type will give you premium currency just for playing, and they'll give free premium items or let you work up to them even if it takes grinding. As long as you're not trying to min-max the game or have impulse control issues, you should be ok.
i gotta hand it to square
they may not have known it at the time but in 1997 they put a money bomb in the heads of everyone in a certain demographic, and they can set it off any time they want
they're the luckiest capitalist piggies in this long strange fairytale
how can a business pass it up? how can we resist the pointy haired man?
sho
ga
nai
they may not have known it at the time but in 1997 they put a money bomb in the heads of everyone in a certain demographic, and they can set it off any time they want
they're the luckiest capitalist piggies in this long strange fairytale
how can a business pass it up? how can we resist the pointy haired man?
sho
ga
nai
And any hype I had for this garbage evaporated in an instant. Immediately went from really interesting game to unacceptable trash.
Any gameplay-affecting gacha/lootboxes are an instantaneous "nope". There are responsible ways to do monetization of a F2P game, and this ain't it, chief.
Any gameplay-affecting gacha/lootboxes are an instantaneous "nope". There are responsible ways to do monetization of a F2P game, and this ain't it, chief.
Yup, all of the story will be free it seems, like opera omnia (dissidia's mobile game which is so much better than console dissidia its sad how bad that turned out)
Nintendo put a bigger money bomb with like 8 different franchises so they're def the "kings" of this fairytale.
oh ok, i think the last one i played was "record keeper", which wasn't so bad in gatcha.. unless you want the best stuff, i only hope is playable without expending money if it's going this route
There's no way it wouldn't be playable; you might have to grind a bit more than other players, or you might have to play smarter to beat a "hard mode" or "special event" boss for some extra special loot (like in Record Keeper), but these kinds of games never lock you out of standard gameplay progress.
Ah... so this is what I saw some vague tweets about earlier.
Not ideal, I'd rather just buy it. But that's, idk, fine enough if it's just covering the games' contents and not doing events and such. I still intend to play some of the compilation (I stalled out last year and never got to Remake) so this would just be a fun revisit later on for me.
As long as there's no weird gating that the free stuff can't get past, or no grinding that you have to do if you're not paying, I'll put up with it. But I will say... I do not like that friends who cannot go near gacha won't be able to play through some of this. Before Crisis is gonna be YouTube only material still, I guess.
Not ideal, I'd rather just buy it. But that's, idk, fine enough if it's just covering the games' contents and not doing events and such. I still intend to play some of the compilation (I stalled out last year and never got to Remake) so this would just be a fun revisit later on for me.
As long as there's no weird gating that the free stuff can't get past, or no grinding that you have to do if you're not paying, I'll put up with it. But I will say... I do not like that friends who cannot go near gacha won't be able to play through some of this. Before Crisis is gonna be YouTube only material still, I guess.
true (i'm full of bombs) i just mean like they didn't make 63 mobile games about ocarina of time
I mean they never said it was going to be that's why they said its going to be chapter based from the start.
My bigger issue than any gacha stuff is the notion that it won't play anything like the original game. We don't actually know. Can I move around outside of battles? Or is it auto-driven? Can I explore? Talk to NPCs? Find treasures? Is there a world map? Random encounters? Towns and dungeons to explore? It literally might be a auto-driven fight, scene, fight, fight, scene, fight, type of fiasco. Which is the bigger bummer here. That it wouldn't even be the type of RPG we'd want in the first place. Gacha mechanics are whatever. You aren't e-peen competing against anyone else, so it's just a matter of time before you can clear any "challenging" content.
I'm picturing this game working JUST like Final Fantasy Record Keeper. A ff gacha that takes you to various battles over the series history. Only this time they're adding cut scenes or whatever.
God I'm so disappointed.
God I'm so disappointed.
I've played a few gachas, if define your borders clearly, you can have a lot fun even without spending much or any money.
What I find more interesting about the news is that the whole of FF7 is to be covered in 10 Chapters. 3 Chapters are in Midgar. What? How will it be done? Given the pacing, something like this should be the structure:
Chapter 1 - Reactor 1 and 5?
Chapter 2 - Up to Aerith's Capture?
Chapter 3 - Shinra Tower?
Chapter 4 - Kalm and Flashback?
Chapter 5 - Up to and Junon?
Chapter 6 - Up to and Gold Saucer?
Chapter 7 - Up to getting Tiny Bronco?
Chapter 8 - Wutai and Ancient Temple?
Chapter 9 - Forgotten Capital ...
but forget it, it's already Ch. 09 and we've just finished disc 1. So it has to be different... maybe a really trimmed down version of the story.
What I find more interesting about the news is that the whole of FF7 is to be covered in 10 Chapters. 3 Chapters are in Midgar. What? How will it be done? Given the pacing, something like this should be the structure:
Chapter 1 - Reactor 1 and 5?
Chapter 2 - Up to Aerith's Capture?
Chapter 3 - Shinra Tower?
Chapter 4 - Kalm and Flashback?
Chapter 5 - Up to and Junon?
Chapter 6 - Up to and Gold Saucer?
Chapter 7 - Up to getting Tiny Bronco?
Chapter 8 - Wutai and Ancient Temple?
Chapter 9 - Forgotten Capital ...
but forget it, it's already Ch. 09 and we've just finished disc 1. So it has to be different... maybe a really trimmed down version of the story.
It really depends on the length of the chapters and its not like ff7 is a long story when you get down to the plot points
A huge amount of the plot is midgar and not much of anything happens between the flashback and gold saucer. Once you cut out the whole dolphin and marching game, Junon is just getting on the ship
Then you fight a boss and nothing happens after that until you get dumped into the desert
After disc 1, most of the plot is before and after cloud is gone and back
I also hope Cissnei would have a bigger role!
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Haha, no way. Any game monetized mainly through gacha is designed around it and compromised as a result. You're 99% gonna get gated through some kind of stamina padding and/or repetitive grinding if you're f2p. Hell, probably even if you pay. If you don't mind, you 'll probably enjoy it along with all the other "f2p friendly" gacha games.
I am absolutely praying she is in VIIRP2 as I'm dying to see her, Aerith, and Tifa to interact.
