In the original it was SL 120 (ish) and was done in 4-1. Assuming everything else is mostly the same.. I don't expect this to change.
Does it? I tried to use it and I just didn't make the jump at all...
Honestly, no. It's for NG+, end-game PvP, or replays, IMO. You need an optimized path to get the most of it, and the stat investment is brutal.
It's not as intuitive as in the original, but it works
Demon's Souls- Shrine Of Storms 4 -1 Sequence Break/Boss Shortcut + Regenerator’s Ring Early
*If you are having trouble try taking off your armor!* The classic Shrine of Storms 4-1 sequence break and/or shortcut returns in the remake #DemonsSouls #PS...
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Well shit.It's not as intuitive as in the original, but it works
Demon's Souls- Shrine Of Storms 4 -1 Sequence Break/Boss Shortcut + Regenerator’s Ring Early
*If you are having trouble try taking off your armor!* The classic Shrine of Storms 4-1 sequence break and/or shortcut returns in the remake #DemonsSouls #PS...
I saw where you could trade some item to the crows for it. Forget what item.
Most likely the ring can be found somewhere else in the game, but I don't think anyone's figured out where yet. There's a new locked door near where you rescue Yuria that no one's figured out how to open yet that has an item behind it that may be the ring. It might also be available from crow trades, I doubt anyone's gone through every item in the game to see if any new ones were added yet.
I mean people found the crow trades for the other new rings (uneven scales, ring of longevity). If it's in the game, I'm honestly shocked a streamer hasn't found it yet. I think it's possible it's not in the game unless you choose it as a gift, which would be really dumb.
Oh maybe that wasnt the ring i was thinking of. Maybe they dont count the gift ring for the trophy?
I thought they added some way of de-aggroing npcs in this game?
I just helped another player defeat tower knight and want to do it again but it's not allowing me to drop my blue stone? Any reason why?
Can anyone confirm if you can reallocate stats after making the offering of 25k souls? I saw in a video you can edit the character but didn't see whether changing class allows for stat reallocation.
Gotta be in soul form to Co-op or invade unfortunately.
Just remember to kill yourself in the nexus, unless you want pure black world tendency.
Ok I'm getting really into it now. Just killed Armor Spider after 3 tries, easy pattern. Some great soul joined me to kill Tower Knight which i really needed. I was getting my ass kicked before that. Starting to really appretiate the design and combat. Reminds me of SOTC because of the unique experience. My only problem was playing Spider-Man first. My hand was in button smash mode. Lol
can only drop your stone in spirit form. Once you beat that boss, you turned human. If you really want to just play it again, kill yourself in the Nexus (not in the world, as that lowers your Tendancy) and go back again.
No 4-1 on the way to 4-2. Isn't that what you meant? Or were you talking about from 4-2 onwards?
How anyone handles the arduous runs back to the boss rooms is beyond me. This game has given me a newfound appreciation for the fair but still tough quality of life changes made in later games. Farming healing items sucks, long walks back to the bosses suck and the restrictions on when you can put down a summon sign also suck.
Yes. You need to be human to summon help and be invaded.
You need to be in soul form to be summoned or do the invading.
If you're looking for an easier time starting out you wanna roll the Royalty Class without a doubt. Good starting gear, access to the best early level spell and they're level 1 so they're the most customizable.
Once you unlock all the Archstones, look around the early area in 4-1 for a Crescent Falchion +1, it will carry you through much of the early game.
Also, Magic is fucking busted in this game, don't be afraid to spec into mage-skills.
Yup, it's absolutely fucking demoralizing and I hate it a lot. It's really cutting down my enjoyment of the game and making my play sessions shorter as I get stressed out sooner.
Also no status buildup meters is trash.
So I beat 1-1 with the royalty class and Soul arrow made it easier. My only problem is that I do not know how to upgrade this build. I don't wan to focus on a magic build. I want a build with decent armor, a good sword and maybe some magic, or weapon enchantment.
What would work out best?
What would work out best?
I think you can die once and still get to pure white in every world.
No, you still can, it works on a gradient system.
Right now you're minus 1, help somebody in co-op and you'll be at zero again.
Crescent falchion is a great sword for this. It scales off magic power so best of both worlds.
You still can if you don't die again, I think.
Why do people keep repeating this? Does this actually work in the remake? Because it sure didn't in the original.
I could swear I read somewhere that they changed it so co-op gave +white tendency, but now I'm having a hard time tracking it down.
I'm so glad this seems like the very first thing they rebalanced for Dark Souls and the subsequent games. Some of those long walks here are brutal (4-2 lookin' at you).
I did find that I've found a state of zen about it though. You get good at learning which enemies you can run by, stop sweating about keeping your souls, and just minimizing risks. I never want to trudge back through that swamp though.
Thanks, I'll hope someone finds it then
It's too late for me. I already started making stat commitments for this. Whoops lol
I misunderstood. It was about the wall jump skip in 4-1.
I thought it was about skipping part of 4-2, which I would have been excited about
thats true but I did anyways. I was already thinking about it anyway because I wasnt super happy with my character appearance and I was still very early in the game. historically, I restart soulsborne games around 5 times before I decide im happy with my character and actually play the game hahaha
this is helpful actually lmao, thanks!
Question for you: After you kill the Black Phantom, can you die? I would assume that would be the same as traveling VIA an arch-stone and would load the level / change the WT.
I was about to attempt doing this in each level but I'm just thinking what a pain it's going to be to go kill Scirvir in 2-2, and then have to fall all the way down and fight back up to the Prime Evil Demon. God knows I'm not going to clear the path first then fight him (I'm expecting to die a few dozen times each when trying to beat the black phantoms).
Edit Morrigan - same question to you. Does dying after killing a named black phantom reset word tendency (much like loading at an Arch-Stone would)?
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How to control World Tendency
Gonna add a small World Tendency FAQ here. Covering the list of all the world tendency events is outside the scope of it but here's how you can control WT:
Q: Should I care about World Tendency?
A: Honestly, probably not, unless you're a completist. But if you do... check this FAQ for information on how to control it.
Q: How do I check what my current World Tendency is?
A: Check this threadmark. The UI is bad, though, but at least PWWT and PBWT are distinct enough.
Q: What's "PWWT" or "PBWT"?
A: The community's way of denoting maximum black or white tendency. They stand for Pure White World Tendency and Pure Black World Tendency, respectively.
Q: I died, am I screwed out of reaching PWWT this playthrough?
A: If you died in soul form, you're fine. If you died in body form... Well, maybe, maybe not. See below.
Q: Can I control World Tendency by helping a host beat a boss?
A: No! This is very common misinformation. You definitely couldn't in the original. If you can on the remake, I'd like to see evidence, but so far this appears to be completely false yet again. Note: helping kill a boss also does not affect Character Tendency.
Q: Is WT why people suicide in the Nexus and play the levels in soul form? To avoid shifting WT?
A: Yep.
Q: What are "Primeval Demons"?
A: They're weird, mostly harmless creatures that spawn in black or near-black tendency, once per world and per playthrough. They drop a valuable colourless soul when killed. You'll recognize them if you see a giant bloated insect-like thing just chilling there.
Q: I followed instructions to shift WT, but my WT hasn't changed. What gives?
A: Return to the Nexus to "save" the shift. Or, alternatively, use the Archstone to warp to another Archstone. So long as you don't use the Archstone to leave or reset the area, the shift will not register -- which may be useful in some rare cases.
Q: What about Character Tendency?
A: That's a whole different beast, not covered here.
How to shift the WT level towards White:
- Defeat a boss (as a host only): +1
- Defeat an invader (as a host only): +1
- Kill the Red or Blue Dragon: +1 each (World 1 only)
- Kill a Primeval Demon (spawns only at -3 or -4 black tendency, once per playthrough): +3
- Kill a named black phantom NPC (only Miralda, Scirvir, Rydell, Satsuki, and Selen count; spawns only at -4 aka "pure black" world tendency): +3
Note: this is missable. If you beat all of that world's bosses and can no longer be invaded, and never reached PWWT, you're SOL for this playthrough. However, there may be another way when playing online.... read the caveat at the end of the post!
How to shift the WT level towards Black:
- Die in body form: -1
- Kill a specific named/unique NPC (Miralda, Scirvir, Rydell, Satsuki, or Selen only): -3
- Kill Old King Doran in world 1: -2across all worlds (going by memory here, someone correct me if I'm wrong) [edit: my memory was wrong, disregard]
Note: none of this is missable, so long as you have the means to revive to body form (Stones of Ephemeral Eyes, successful invasion or coop session) and re-suicide as many times as you need.
So.... What's the caveat?
You cannot be invaded in an area where the boss is dead. However, with a password, turns out, you can be invaded even if the boss is dead! (Tested successfully in 1-1 with another member here)
So,this is untested as of this writing (will edit my findings later today), but theoretically, you could have a friend invade you with a password in a world you cleared, kill them as many times as needed, and it would shift your WT to white. Hopefully this works, as it could be a gamechanger! 🤞 [Up: confirmed! tested successfully by Balbanes and LordGorchnik, thanks guys!]
I am offline. I have only one boss left, but killing it would still make me just shy of Pure White. Am I SOL?
Probably. But there might be a very tedious and nerve-wracking way. If you reach Pure Black Tendency, stay in soul form to be safe, and then kill both the Primeval Demon and the named Black Phantom without using the archstone in-between (because this will shift the WT to white and then you'll lose the BP/demon spawn), this will shift your WT by +6, and killing the last boss of that world will give you that missing +1.
For example, in world 4, you could spawn at 4-1, kill BP Satsuki, then make your way through the level on foot (with the additional difficulty, wee) until you reach 4-2 and kill the Primeval Demon there. If you die far into it, you'll respawn alllll the way to 4-1, though. Phew. Tedious, but it can be done as a last resort. Ironically, world 5 is easier here since the BP and the Primeval Demon are closer to each other (have fun with the BP Giant Depraved Ones though...!).
Note that some worlds don't allow backtracking, such as world 3; if you kill the primeval demon in 3-2, you can't make your way backwards to Rydell and kill him because you need the archstone and that will shift your WT! Oops.
~ Hope this helps someone ~
Q: Should I care about World Tendency?
A: Honestly, probably not, unless you're a completist. But if you do... check this FAQ for information on how to control it.
Q: How do I check what my current World Tendency is?
A: Check this threadmark. The UI is bad, though, but at least PWWT and PBWT are distinct enough.
Q: What's "PWWT" or "PBWT"?
A: The community's way of denoting maximum black or white tendency. They stand for Pure White World Tendency and Pure Black World Tendency, respectively.
Q: I died, am I screwed out of reaching PWWT this playthrough?
A: If you died in soul form, you're fine. If you died in body form... Well, maybe, maybe not. See below.
Q: Can I control World Tendency by helping a host beat a boss?
A: No! This is very common misinformation. You definitely couldn't in the original. If you can on the remake, I'd like to see evidence, but so far this appears to be completely false yet again. Note: helping kill a boss also does not affect Character Tendency.
Q: Is WT why people suicide in the Nexus and play the levels in soul form? To avoid shifting WT?
A: Yep.
Q: What are "Primeval Demons"?
A: They're weird, mostly harmless creatures that spawn in black or near-black tendency, once per world and per playthrough. They drop a valuable colourless soul when killed. You'll recognize them if you see a giant bloated insect-like thing just chilling there.
Q: I followed instructions to shift WT, but my WT hasn't changed. What gives?
A: Return to the Nexus to "save" the shift. Or, alternatively, use the Archstone to warp to another Archstone. So long as you don't use the Archstone to leave or reset the area, the shift will not register -- which may be useful in some rare cases.
Q: What about Character Tendency?
A: That's a whole different beast, not covered here.
How to shift the WT level towards White:
- Defeat a boss (as a host only): +1
- Defeat an invader (as a host only): +1
- Kill the Red or Blue Dragon: +1 each (World 1 only)
- Kill a Primeval Demon (spawns only at -3 or -4 black tendency, once per playthrough): +3
- Kill a named black phantom NPC (only Miralda, Scirvir, Rydell, Satsuki, and Selen count; spawns only at -4 aka "pure black" world tendency): +3
Note: this is missable. If you beat all of that world's bosses and can no longer be invaded, and never reached PWWT, you're SOL for this playthrough. However, there may be another way when playing online.... read the caveat at the end of the post!
How to shift the WT level towards Black:
- Die in body form: -1
- Kill a specific named/unique NPC (Miralda, Scirvir, Rydell, Satsuki, or Selen only): -3
- Kill Old King Doran in world 1: -2
Note: none of this is missable, so long as you have the means to revive to body form (Stones of Ephemeral Eyes, successful invasion or coop session) and re-suicide as many times as you need.
So.... What's the caveat?
You cannot be invaded in an area where the boss is dead. However, with a password, turns out, you can be invaded even if the boss is dead! (Tested successfully in 1-1 with another member here)
So,
I am offline. I have only one boss left, but killing it would still make me just shy of Pure White. Am I SOL?
Probably. But there might be a very tedious and nerve-wracking way. If you reach Pure Black Tendency, stay in soul form to be safe, and then kill both the Primeval Demon and the named Black Phantom without using the archstone in-between (because this will shift the WT to white and then you'll lose the BP/demon spawn), this will shift your WT by +6, and killing the last boss of that world will give you that missing +1.
For example, in world 4, you could spawn at 4-1, kill BP Satsuki, then make your way through the level on foot (with the additional difficulty, wee) until you reach 4-2 and kill the Primeval Demon there. If you die far into it, you'll respawn alllll the way to 4-1, though. Phew. Tedious, but it can be done as a last resort. Ironically, world 5 is easier here since the BP and the Primeval Demon are closer to each other (have fun with the BP Giant Depraved Ones though...!).
Note that some worlds don't allow backtracking, such as world 3; if you kill the primeval demon in 3-2, you can't make your way backwards to Rydell and kill him because you need the archstone and that will shift your WT! Oops.
~ Hope this helps someone ~
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