Especially not considering their track record with Bernie. They are risking alienating a large part of their base
Especially not considering their track record with Bernie. They are risking alienating a large part of their base
Hopefully. Would be nice to see the full results.
Bernie announcement at 1pm. Speculation, but I imagine they have informed him that he won and he will be breaking the news around the same time they drop the last batch.
Especially not considering their track record with Bernie. They are risking alienating a large part of their base
He should claim victory even if not. Fuck it at this point
Bernie announcement at 1pm. Speculation, but I imagine they have informed him that he won and he will be breaking the news around the same time they drop the last batch.
Well friend, thats not really what I asked you.
If the premise is stupid then how are there are things that ive seen libs criticize of Trump that Obama also did, in some ways. Deportations, parading around economic numbers that are dubious at best, Endless wars, etc. Do the people that Ive seen just not exist? Are we just in a void?
Surely, we can agree that Obama made mistakes that Trump also did. Not exactly the same of course and this doesnt really mean that Obama = Trump in all senses. That would be a stupid point and hey, luckily for us, no one is making that point! The statement here, what Shaun said, is really not that complex:
"If you are going to complain about Trump"s immigration record in x y and z, then I hope that you werent ok with x y and z if Obama did it".
Thats it.
Is this a betrayal of the Democratic Party?
Is this saying in any way that Obama was basically Trump?
Because if it does, I would love it if you explained it to me.
i wouldn't judge anyone for still voting dem. but nor would i judge them for staying home
Ran out of space and people complained the last time I left Yang off. Neither will win but eh.Poodlestrike - Why is Amy Klobuchar not listed on the poll? Not that I think she will will, but I don't understand the omission. She's polling ahead of Yang, and not far off the the 4th place.
The point is to not shame people for being disillusioned with centrist dem candidates who perpetuated some of the same crimes Trump continues to. Obviously not all! Trump is the worst president in modern history! But on some level you have to give people someone to vote for, not just someone to vote against. Or did we not learn that with Hillary.
In short:
Timing seems about right for the final batch to be released. I can't imagine this being anything other than Bernie claiming victory.
Bernie announcement at 1pm. Speculation, but I imagine they have informed him that he won and he will be breaking the news around the same time they drop the last batch.
Bernie announcement at 1pm. Speculation, but I imagine they have informed him that he won and he will be breaking the news around the same time they drop the last batch.
i hope he has printed out some "pete wins iowa" headlines.I hope Bernie takes it to give Pete that burn after he all but declared himself the winner of the Iowa caucus.
Hey, good luck judging for people for not doing what you want them to do.his first tweet:
either you are ok with another four years of this, including an ultra con SC lording over you for the rest of your life, or you are not. whataboutobamaisms are not helping anything except your ego
Id be more ok with 4 more trump years than an entire future where we get no real choice and are forced to 'choose' between Bidens and Bloombergseither you are ok with another four years of this, including an ultra con SC lording over you for the rest of your life, or you are not. whataboutobamaisms are not helping anything except your ego
FWIW, the media never really claimed that Mayor Pete won the popular vote, but rather had a bigger share of overall state delegates.So the missing 3% are from satellite caucuses? So Sanders will probably win the popular vote although all the media said he surprisingly lost against Buttigieg?
This does not reflect well on the Democrats.
I too would like to see the futureId be more ok with 4 more trump years than an entire future where we get no real choice and are forced to 'choose' between Bidens and Bloombergs
People who sit out because voting is made deliberately difficult and because the economic systems they're in don't allow them to take the time to meet the bar are one thing. And I wouldn't scold minorities for not voting for people they don't belive are going to advance their interests.
But yeah, I think that if you're white and priveleges enough that you'd decide not to vote when you could just to express a preference, this of all years... Yeah, I think you can take some shame. That feels fair to me.
Id be more ok with 4 more trump years than an entire future where we get no real choice and are forced to 'choose' between Bidens and Bloombergs
If your stance is, "I'm going to sit out this election if my chosen candidate doesn't win", I have minimal respect for you and you deserve to be criticized. Good look getting progressive legislation to stay on the books with a 7-2 Conservative majority in the Supreme Court for the next 40 years.Hey, good luck judging for people for not doing what you want them to do.
That didnt work in 2000, 2002, 2004, 2010, 2014 and 2016 but it WILL work this time! Seventh time is the charm!
Id be more ok with 4 more trump years than an entire future where we get no real choice and are forced to 'choose' between Bidens and Bloombergs
Or that the president wouldn't sign progressive pushed lawsThis is a false dichotomy fallacy.
Just because you run a moderate candidate doesn't mean progressives get locked out from running ever again.
No its about the party gatekeeping and keeping real liberal candidates off of the final ticketThis is a false dichotomy fallacy.
Just because you run a moderate candidate doesn't mean progressives get locked out from running ever again.
Id be more ok with 4 more trump years than an entire future where we get no real choice and are forced to 'choose' between Bidens and Bloombergs
Id be more ok with 4 more trump years than an entire future where we get no real choice and are forced to 'choose' between Bidens and Bloombergs
No its about the party gatekeeping and keeping real liberal candidates off of the final ticket
Pete leading early and then ending with a slight Sanders win: "the media/establishment purposefully released results that would show Pete winning to destroy Sanders' momentum!"Oh fuck off with this conspiracy bullshit. The Iowa Democratic Party being inept has nothing at all to do with Sanders.
But aren't rural whites the people Biden was supposed to be a shoe-in to win? Is that not the whole reason why the DNC wants him to take it in the first place?Writing Biden off before SC and Super Tuesday seems premature. I don't expect anyone to drop until after, at least among the candidates that are actually receiving worthwhile shares of the vote or are projected to receive worthwhile support in those states.
His support could certainly collapse. I think there's a possibility his issue in Iowa could be Social Security, and that could have a broader effect. Or it could have just been due to a backward caucus system combined with a strong emphasis from other candidates on Iowa. The possibility of us sitting here a month from now with Biden having one of the largest or the largest share of delegates is still in play.
Some people legitimately believe Pete is a CIA plant 🤷♂️*More voters choose candidate X than candidate Y*
"Why must the party be gatekeepers and prevent candidate Y from succeeding???"
Bill Clinton didn't win eitherSo if Bernie wins Iowa, and he probably will win NH too, doesn't that bode extremely well for him as the nominee? If since 1976, every candidate who won Iowa and New Hampshire got the nomination, do we think this is the year we break that streak?
Or that the president wouldn't sign progressive pushed laws
I think some people just have a fundamental misunderstanding about government and think that president=everything.
Didnt win what?
So if Bernie wins Iowa, and he probably will win NH too, doesn't that bode extremely well for him as the nominee? If since 1976, every candidate who won Iowa and New Hampshire got the nomination, do we think this is the year we break that streak?
So if Bernie wins Iowa, and he probably will win NH too, doesn't that bode extremely well for him as the nominee? If since 1976, every candidate who won Iowa and New Hampshire got the nomination, do we think this is the year we break that streak?
gatekeeping and keeping real liberal candidates off of the final ticket
That's ridiculous. You may not like the guy but he ain't no ficus.
So if Bernie wins Iowa, and he probably will win NH too, doesn't that bode extremely well for him as the nominee? If since 1976, every candidate who won Iowa and New Hampshire got the nomination, do we think this is the year we break that streak?
Iowa or New Hampshire
100% this. This is why I don't get hung up on Twitter BS from privileged potential voters. You're either voting for who and what you think will better this country, or you're an asshole.People who sit out because voting is made deliberately difficult and because the economic systems they're in don't allow them to take the time to meet the bar are one thing. And I wouldn't scold minorities for not voting for people they don't belive are going to advance their interests.
But yeah, I think that if you're white and priveleges enough that you'd decide not to vote when you could just to express a preference, this of all years... Yeah, I think you can take some shame. That feels fair to me.
Bernie would be candidate X in this scenario though*More voters choose candidate X than candidate Y*
"Why must the party be gatekeepers and prevent candidate Y from succeeding???"
Maybe he will swallow his pride and get stuff done through executive orders. Idk, frankly I don't really think Obama did all he could and the party should have taken things further with 8 years in office. Fuck reaching across the aisle, get shit done.I hate to break it to you, 48% of independents think the democratic party is too far left.
The truth is that america is no where close to having any progressive movement. Even if Bernie wins the elections, he is still going to have a impossible time passing legislation. Obama had to fight tooth and nail to get the ACA passed.
That wasnt my question though. What I'm saying is, if bernie wins new Hampshire and Iowa, it seems bernie has a really good shot at becoming the nominee, statistically, because every candidate who won both since 1976 became the nominee.Iowa or New Hampshire
He won a shitload of Super Tuesday states tho
Bernie would be candidate X in this scenario though
The party has set it up so that rigged coin tosses are worth more than votes, so that they can be gatekeepers.
Oh okThat wasnt my question though. What I'm saying is, if bernie wins new Hampshire and Iowa, it seems bernie has a really good shot at becoming the nominee, statistically, because every candidate who won both since 1976 became the nominee.
You guys have to appeal to people, you know that right? Democracy doesn't work by force. If people stay home it means you didn't energize them. Democrats generally don't. Fix that instead of lecturing everyonehis first tweet:
either you are ok with another four years of this, including an ultra con SC lording over you for the rest of your life, or you are not. whataboutobamaisms are not helping anything except your ego