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To be fair, I bet they got a lot of that gear free from military hand me down programs.
Can't wait to see them argue it should be raised to 60% to prevent tragedies like this. \s
They should just rename that budget point from "Police & Animal Control" to "Animal Control", it's probably all the same to these cops anyway.
40% is pure insanity.
40% is pure insanity.
Seriously, I read that headline and was expecting those old school blue uniforms and .38 police specials, but they're rocking vests and assault rifles and they're still too fucking chickenshit to go in. With children getting murdered.
The mind reels at the utterly reprehensible cowardice of these 'men.'
Fuck me.
This is absolutely perplexing to a non-American outsider.
In the UK, armed police officers are specialised units, so it would be understandable if regular beat cops (who are only armed with hand-to-hand weapons) waited for firearms officers to respond to something like this. Even then, though, you occasionally have unarmed officers tackling armed suspects because they feel like it's their responsibility.
In the US, basically every police officer has a deadly ranged weapon on them. And based on that video, these officers have full assault gear and automatic rifles, so it's not as though they just had pistols and cloth uniforms. What on earth are they waiting for? They're not outmatched tactically, or on an equipment level.
This isn't one of those "I'd totally be a hero in that situation" posts. I'm not trained or armed, so I have no idea how I'd react. But police are supposed to be both trained and armed to react to scenarios just like these, and instead they have to wait for a separate group of other armed officers before they'll do anything?
In the UK, armed police officers are specialised units, so it would be understandable if regular beat cops (who are only armed with hand-to-hand weapons) waited for firearms officers to respond to something like this. Even then, though, you occasionally have unarmed officers tackling armed suspects because they feel like it's their responsibility.
In the US, basically every police officer has a deadly ranged weapon on them. And based on that video, these officers have full assault gear and automatic rifles, so it's not as though they just had pistols and cloth uniforms. What on earth are they waiting for? They're not outmatched tactically, or on an equipment level.
This isn't one of those "I'd totally be a hero in that situation" posts. I'm not trained or armed, so I have no idea how I'd react. But police are supposed to be both trained and armed to react to scenarios just like these, and instead they have to wait for a separate group of other armed officers before they'll do anything?
Not just that, but why spend any resources training such a unit for a small village instead of having a larger city provide specialists? Surely the day to day there does not require that kind of expertise and equipment.
I remember how much backlash the phrase "abolish the police" got on this forum. I hope it's sinking in for those people.
Fucking cowards. I hope what they let happen, the blood on their hands, haunts them for their remaining days.
The one time where all the unnecessary fund and military material could have actually prevented the tragedy to be bigger and they don't even use it
ACAB
ACAB
I just looked it up, cops in Texas go to the police academy for 6 months followed by a probationary period of 6-12 months, I think that explains a lot, they are not well trained at all. You can give them all the weapons and armor in the world, that can't replace proper training.
Never mind that the day you think you finally need it, it's fucking useless.
I imagine part of that can be attributed to these officers just not being well versed enough in responding to high stakes crises like these because villages don't have high stakes crises. Great reason to bring in the experts instead of locals, which it seems like they eventually did.
I'm not an expert, but countries with strict gun control don't need armed police to guard schools. Must be nice.
Cops protect capital, not citizens. Once you understand that, everything makes sense.
Goddamnit if this comparison doesn't put things into perspective.
Maybe all those bad ass Punisher skull logos cops use now remind them too much of their own mortality when the going gets tough
Is there any proof shooter drills with children actually prevent deaths though? Especially as mass shooters are young men so we are now getting to the point where the shooters went through the drills themselves so would know exactly what the type of plan is and where people would hide. Like I don't have the statistics on this but there's a lot of things we take for granted as good things that help like airport security system and early breast scans that don't actually help and in some cases are worse than doing nothing
Yeah, that was (and remains) my initial question — it's bad all around but even worse if these were from the small town's actual SWAT team. I'm also curious how and when CBP was called and if that's somehow part of the training (or lack thereof).
So cops only exist for the ✨ perception ✨ of security, menacing citizens with dark tinted car windows, and killing minorities. Checks out.
The shooter probably went through these drills at his own school. These people will now be aware of the procedures. Grim stuff.
Yep. I'm British and while I despise our current situation, shit like this is completely incomprehensible to me. I'm legitimately incredibly angry that not only does this shit happen in the US, you then have a SIZEABLE portion of the population who downplay it, make excuses and simply do not give a shit because they want to protect their guns.
It almost feels like it's not real. I could have never imagined this shit happening in such a developed country, let alone NOTHING changing as a result of it continuing to happen. It's inhumane and monstrous that elected officials can sit idly by and not enact change to make guns significantly harder to get.
Why can 18 year old young men acquire guns so easily? it's so absolutely insane.
God, the community would've been better served by spending that money on literally anything else, even something cop-adjacent like animal control, to say nothing of social services. If the cops were going to call CBP anyway — and maybe that makes sense in a small town? — they don't need this funding.
Such brave texas men in the blue, huh? Oh but when is time to kill poc they don't have any issue…
Cowards. This is literally what their job is about, and they have the equipment and budget.
Cowards. This is literally what their job is about, and they have the equipment and budget.
The Supreme Court literally ruled that police don't have an obligation to protect others so yeah, checks out.
Justices Rule Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone (Published 2005)
Supreme Court rules that police do not have constitutional duty to protect person from harm, even woman who obtained court-issued protective order against violent husband which made arrest mandatory for violation; decision overturns ruling by federal appeals court in Colorado; it had permitted...www.nytimes.com
Why even have cops?
'It's time to die' | Fourth-grader who survived Uvalde school shooting gives heartbreaking account of what gunman told students
'I was hiding hard' | Fourth grader who survived Uvalde school shooting gives heartbreaking account of gunman's classroom assault
"The cop said: 'Yell if you need help!' And one of the persons in my class said 'help.' The guy overheard and he came in and shot her," the boy said.
www.kens5.com
It really depends a lot on what the timeline of the actual shooting was which has still not been established from what I can tell. If all the shots stopped after the first few minutes and the shooter appeared to be contained and surrounded within a room then waiting for better armed cops to arrive and keeping potential victims away from the scene is probably the right play on average. But the timeline is an absolute mess and it is not yet clear how any of this went down so we're still stuck speculating. Surely the cops fucked up, they always do and always will, there simply isn't enough training in the universe that will ever make a police response to a mass shooting competent, but we don't know how they fucked up at this point in time. This is just another reminder that the cops won't save you and often simply cannot save you, that there is no good way to respond to these situations, only to stop them from happening in the first place.
Those cops are cowards and should be fired. Their job is to protect people and they have let us down once again.
It doesn't make sense to us either. How anyone can support this is beyond me.
Didn't they go into get their own kids out though while keeping all the other parents out? Like this whole thing sounds dodgy af. You are right that gun control laws coming in is the only way to stop mass shootings but I think there's a bit more going on here then just you can't train anyone to be able to respond competently to a mass shooting
They needed a staff member to open the door with a key?
It's only 5:30 a.m. here and I'm already done.
It's only 5:30 a.m. here and I'm already done.
We don't know at this point, one person was quoted saying simply that but they did not state that they believed the cops prioritized their kids over the others or anything so we're left to speculate what actually happened. The timeline is simply too unknown at this point to draw any specific conclusions about what happened.
Terrible stuff.
In 2006 there was a Shooting spree at Dawson College in Montreal. One person was killed and 19 injured. The reason of the low death count was attributed to the 2 police officers who were nearby immediately ran into the college when they heard shooting and managed to quickly injure the gunman (who then took his life). Normal tactics previous to this was to setup a perimeter and wait for SWAT.
I remember reading back then that this tactic (rush the gunman) was to be used by police forces across the continent but the article was specifically about about the US, I cannot find the link but clearly this was not the case here.
RIP
In 2006 there was a Shooting spree at Dawson College in Montreal. One person was killed and 19 injured. The reason of the low death count was attributed to the 2 police officers who were nearby immediately ran into the college when they heard shooting and managed to quickly injure the gunman (who then took his life). Normal tactics previous to this was to setup a perimeter and wait for SWAT.
I remember reading back then that this tactic (rush the gunman) was to be used by police forces across the continent but the article was specifically about about the US, I cannot find the link but clearly this was not the case here.
RIP
You seem to have an issue getting your point across. Perhaps a translator or community advocate could assist on your behalf?
That SWAT team is half the size of the local police in my city (they are around 20 000 inhabitants I think) and I don't think they have access to weapon bigger than an hand gun (and only since 2017).
Jesus fucking Christ. ACAB! What's the point of giving so much funding to police when they're all a bunch of cowards and useless dumbfucks? It seems like they get treated better than people who actually served. All this training, but I doubt even a quarter of them would even pass military training.
Once again, ACAB.
Once again, ACAB.
Fucking cowards.
They act and talk real big when the stakes are low and situations are in their favor, bunch if fake ass punks. Pathetic.
They act and talk real big when the stakes are low and situations are in their favor, bunch if fake ass punks. Pathetic.
I'm pretty sure American police academies are just fraternity hazing/initiation processes at this point. It's all about making people in love with the idea of being a cop moreso than teaching them to do anything.
