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Literally holding back, handcuffing, and threatening to tase parents
That would be unthinkably traumatic for an adult to go through, let alone a small child...
Normally I try not to get too emotional when things like this happen. But...
That 11 year old girl that smeared her dead friend's blood on herself has more balls and brains than a police that is better funded than many militaries around the world.
No, our best source of information, and the most assertive actor in the entire situation, was not the police department that receives 40% of the town's budget every year. It was an 11 year old girl who risked her life to call them, because she believed she could rely on them to help. She was wrong.
They simply decided not to help the children that were calling and begging their heroes to do something - too risky. These are people that our kids have been taught and trained their whole lives to trust and look up to. I cannot imagine the hatred and anger and despair that must be surging through the parents' veins right now.
That 11 year old girl that smeared her dead friend's blood on herself has more balls and brains than a police that is better funded than many militaries around the world.
No, our best source of information, and the most assertive actor in the entire situation, was not the police department that receives 40% of the town's budget every year. It was an 11 year old girl who risked her life to call them, because she believed she could rely on them to help. She was wrong.
They simply decided not to help the children that were calling and begging their heroes to do something - too risky. These are people that our kids have been taught and trained their whole lives to trust and look up to. I cannot imagine the hatred and anger and despair that must be surging through the parents' veins right now.
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I mean he may be on to something here. Apparently a door is a mechanism so secure, it can keep 19 police officers baffled on what to do next.
Wait until they design the one door school and either everyone dies in a fire or someone forgets to lock it and EVERYONE in a school dies because they can't get out.
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No he's not. He's a souless ghoul who loves the money and voters the NRA feeds him.
He is. I know a ton of folks like him in Texas. They actually believe this garbage.
Source.
Seventeen wounded. Hadn't heard that yet. When I only hear about the death toll, I'm just picturing the shooter locked in a room with the bodies for an hour, but no, there were kids hiding in there, bleeding.
This was something someone brought up but I forgot about. Headlines not including people still alive but still victims
Except Cruz is a soulless Canadian. He moved to Texas for the money.
Not to mention the emotional trauma that will follow them for years. Maybe forever. Its fucking tragic.
The whole door thing is silly.
Schools are schools. They're not medieval fortresses. Even with a single entrance 8 foot thick lead door, large volumes of kids have to enter and exit the school and that single point of entry can be compromised or overwhelmed with enough firepowr.
Nevermind there's also such a thing as climbing a fence, which several parents and off-duty cops did to rescue their own kids. "Hardening" schools is simply an arms race between the school's budget and what a potential active shooter can purchase at a gun store/show. It's hardly a solution and it's barely a deterrence.
And this massacre illustrates the major flaw of arming "good guys with guns". If there's a huge fire-power imbalance where the active shooter has an overwhelming advantage, an untrained teacher will easily be neutralized and even armed "professionals" aren't going to run into a hail of fire from a high-powered rifle without a strong protective barrier.
I just don't understand how certain people can justify making it extremely easy for someone to purchase an assault rifle where they can kill dozens of people within a minute and easily overwhelm low-level security / police squads where it basically requires SWAT/Tactical to take them down.
On Earth 2, even the police would be getting behind an assault rifle ban so they could avoid future embarrassments like this. And this WILL happen again when an active shooter outguns the cops and there's a slow response from tactical/SWAT.
Schools are schools. They're not medieval fortresses. Even with a single entrance 8 foot thick lead door, large volumes of kids have to enter and exit the school and that single point of entry can be compromised or overwhelmed with enough firepowr.
Nevermind there's also such a thing as climbing a fence, which several parents and off-duty cops did to rescue their own kids. "Hardening" schools is simply an arms race between the school's budget and what a potential active shooter can purchase at a gun store/show. It's hardly a solution and it's barely a deterrence.
And this massacre illustrates the major flaw of arming "good guys with guns". If there's a huge fire-power imbalance where the active shooter has an overwhelming advantage, an untrained teacher will easily be neutralized and even armed "professionals" aren't going to run into a hail of fire from a high-powered rifle without a strong protective barrier.
I just don't understand how certain people can justify making it extremely easy for someone to purchase an assault rifle where they can kill dozens of people within a minute and easily overwhelm low-level security / police squads where it basically requires SWAT/Tactical to take them down.
On Earth 2, even the police would be getting behind an assault rifle ban so they could avoid future embarrassments like this. And this WILL happen again when an active shooter outguns the cops and there's a slow response from tactical/SWAT.
We want nothing to do with that sub-human scum. Even hell is too good of a place for him.
Earlier today my wife was commenting on/comparing the shooting that happened here a few weeks ago in her county.
The police were at the school in less than 5 minutes, in the school in less than 10 minutes from being contacted, and tracked down the kid that did the shooting (after he fled the school) faster than these police did anything of significance.
She said to me the "Police response in Texas makes zero sense." (In comparison)
The police were at the school in less than 5 minutes, in the school in less than 10 minutes from being contacted, and tracked down the kid that did the shooting (after he fled the school) faster than these police did anything of significance.
She said to me the "Police response in Texas makes zero sense." (In comparison)
Don't they have a duty to protect citizens, including children?
Otherwise what's the point of them? Stopping you from saving your own child?
Police Have No Duty to Protect You, Federal Court Affirms Yet Again
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The "social contract" is a one-way street. You pay your taxes or go to jail. In return, the government may or may not provide some of those services you
there maybe better sources I just grapped this from google search
A relevant video
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Its one of the reasons why I don't understand the hero worship cops get.
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Now I may be ignorant of the fancy ways of the law, but it seems to me the police creed "To protect and to serve" would imply they would protect children from being slaughtered, as a service to society.
Maybe someone can explain where I went wrong in my reasoning. But if those conditions are not met, then I too fail to understand the hero worship.
Maybe we're just being selective with our memories of police response during mass shootings and we're forgetting about all the outstanding police interventions when they saved lives at great bodily risk? My own memories have me convinced that only about 5% of cops actually risk their lives in a mass shooting event.
The only logical explanation for why things haven't changed is GOP senators think their kids are safe in their private schools...and don't care if other people's children die.
Anybody here believes I am exaggerating? Because I don't think I am.
As it turns out, "to protect and serve" is more a slogan than it is any sort of creed.
The creed would have to be legally binding in some way and I'm going to assume these creeds are not binding and just fancy solidarity pr bullshit cops say/promote. Many armies, enforcement agencies, and organized militias have creeds and they mean jack shit when it comes to their actual duties.
It isn't "just" the Senators, they're more at fault than the populace because I think when you're in a leadership position sometimes you have to make the hard decisions for the welfare of your constituents, whether they like it or not, but, this whole thing is classic conservative ideology and the conservative voters are very much purposefully voting for gun nuts. Conservatives are just incapable of seeing society as a whole thing rather than just a bunch of random people livings their lives separately just in the near vicinity of each other outside of abortion. The pace of school shootings would have to start hitting conservative communities at such a rate that it was more or less a given that at some point their children will be in a school shooting at some point in their life before it even becomes a real concern for most of them, otherwise most of these shootings might as well be happening in Afghanistan for all they feel.
But there's a difference between a refusal to intervene and actively preventing people from trying to help. Not just the parents, but trained professionals that were ready to go in. They took action which likely led to multiple deaths.Police Have No Duty to Protect You, Federal Court Affirms Yet Again
Police Have No Duty to Protect You, Federal Court Affirms Yet Again | Mises Institute
The "social contract" is a one-way street. You pay your taxes or go to jail. In return, the government may or may not provide some of those services youmises.org
there maybe better sources I just grapped this from google search
A relevant video
Why The Cops Won't Help You When You're Getting Stabbed
Ever wondered what it's like to stop a psycho on a killing spree? It isn't as awesome as you'd think. SUBSCRIBE HERE: http://goo.gl/ITTCPWJoin us Mondays, Tu...
Its one of the reasons why I don't understand the hero worship cops get.
I just don't see how that can't be argued. What you quoted shouldn't apply.
I was responding to a person who think its a cops duty to help people in danger
As for what your describing the situation will never be viewed as the police prevented parents, they will hide behind laws and or general police procedures preventing the public from obstructing and interfering in an active crime scene.
The prevention of other officers going in I have no idea about that part of the story, were the other officers supposed to go in or did they need permission/chain of command thing?
It turns out the border patrol officers that eventually went in to confront the shooter actually arrived 30mins earlier but were told by the local officers not to go in.
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The commanding officer, the school district's police chief, made the command to stay outside of the room.
Delay in breaching classroom during Texas school shooting was "wrong decision," official says
Nearly 20 officers were in a hallway for more than 45 minutes before agents used a master key to open a door and confront the gunman, authorities said.
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https://www.nationalreview.com/news...valde-police-orders-to-remain-outside-school/
The police chief had 19 officers, and 2 swat teams from border patrol, but he wanted to "wait for more reinforcement"
To this point, there's not a general duty to protect, but the police cannot knowingly place people in danger nor can they neglect their duty whenever there's an implied or specific promise to protect.
The school district police chief may have gotten his department in a lot of trouble, and will probably resign any day now.
I mean, in the end they had to ignore those orders to go in to neutralize the shooter.
There are two different groups here, the local police and the Border Patrol. The latter are the ones who wanted to go in immediately, the former are the ones who stopped them from doing it.
Hence why people are saying they actively prevented people from resolving the crisis.
Police exist to protect capital and keep the current power structures in place. They don't exist to protect and serve the community.
This is the truth. I would also add that in some cases the police exist to raise money to fund the police.
I would hope that most (some) police do take the protect and serve part seriously and are not just running away whenever there is danger. However, I think this ruling is more so that they don't get sued for failing to protect and to serve. In this case, that's ridiculous because they absolutely deserve to get sued, of course.