To be fair, I bet they got a lot of that gear free from military hand me down programs.This is so surreal on many levels. A community of 13.000 has a specialized assault unit? What the fuck.
Cops don't exist to help you or anybody else, and the law says they have absolutely no obligation to act in the public's interest.
Can't wait to see them argue it should be raised to 60% to prevent tragedies like this. \s
Why the fuck they have equipment like if they are soldiers if they are "not prepared"?
To be fair, I bet they got a lot of that gear free from military hand me down programs.
I just looked it up, cops in Texas go to the police academy for 6 months followed by a probationary period of 6-12 months, I think that explains a lot, they are not well trained at all. You can give them all the weapons and armor in the world, that can't replace proper training.This is absolutely perplexing to a non-American outsider.
In the UK, armed police officers are specialised units, so it would be understandable if regular beat cops (who are only armed with hand-to-hand weapons) waited for firearms officers to respond to something like this. Even then, though, you occasionally have unarmed officers tackling armed suspects because they feel like it's their responsibility.
In the US, basically every police officer has a deadly ranged weapon on them. And based on that video, these officers have full assault gear and automatic rifles, so it's not as though they just had pistols and cloth uniforms. What on earth are they waiting for? They're not outmatched tactically, or on an equipment level.
This isn't one of those "I'd totally be a hero in that situation" posts. I'm not trained or armed, so I have no idea how I'd react. But police are supposed to be both trained and armed to react to scenarios just like these, and instead they have to wait for a separate group of other armed officers before they'll do anything?
Never mind that the day you think you finally need it, it's fucking useless.This is so surreal on many levels. A community of 13.000 has a specialized assault unit? What the fuck.
Never mind that the day you think you finally need it, it's fucking useless.
This is absolutely perplexing to a non-American outsider.
In the UK, armed police officers are specialised units, so it would be understandable if regular beat cops (who are only armed with hand-to-hand weapons) waited for firearms officers to respond to something like this. Even then, though, you occasionally have unarmed officers tackling armed suspects because they feel like it's their responsibility.
In the US, basically every police officer has a deadly ranged weapon on them. And based on that video, these officers have full assault gear and automatic rifles, so it's not as though they just had pistols and cloth uniforms. What on earth are they waiting for? They're not outmatched tactically, or on an equipment level.
This isn't one of those "I'd totally be a hero in that situation" posts. I'm not trained or armed, so I have no idea how I'd react. But police are supposed to be both trained and armed to react to scenarios just like these, and instead they have to wait for a separate group of other armed officers before they'll do anything?
I don't get how you can SWAT a streamer or whatever, and a bunch of fully armored cops show up at and blow up their door a couple of minutes later, but here they needed to wait for a fucking key from a janitor?
Is there any proof shooter drills with children actually prevent deaths though? Especially as mass shooters are young men so we are now getting to the point where the shooters went through the drills themselves so would know exactly what the type of plan is and where people would hide. Like I don't have the statistics on this but there's a lot of things we take for granted as good things that help like airport security system and early breast scans that don't actually help and in some cases are worse than doing nothingThis idea also feels like some twisted way of introducing a sort of trauma inequality. More trauma and death for those schools that do have incidents while others hopefully live in ignorant bliss. Let's not bother the majority of the population while sacrificing the rest to the chaos of whatever unfolds at schools that haven't done drills. This is just people who think it won't happen to their communities wanting to stick their heads in the sand and shelter their kids from real life.
Yeah, that was (and remains) my initial question — it's bad all around but even worse if these were from the small town's actual SWAT team. I'm also curious how and when CBP was called and if that's somehow part of the training (or lack thereof).Seriously, I read that headline and was expecting those old school blue uniforms and .38 police specials, but they're rocking vests and assault rifles and they're still too fucking chickenshit to go in. With children getting murdered.
The mind reels at the utterly reprehensible cowardice of these 'men.'
Fuck me.
The shooter probably went through these drills at his own school. These people will now be aware of the procedures. Grim stuff.Is there any proof shooter drills with children actually prevent deaths though? Especially as mass shooters are young men so we are now getting to the point where the shooters went through the drills themselves so would know exactly what the type of plan is and where people would hide. Like I don't have the statistics on this but there's a lot of things we take for granted as good things that help like airport security system and early breast scans that don't actually help and in some cases are worse than doing nothing
The Supreme Court literally ruled that police don't have an obligation to protect others so yeah, checks out.
Justices Rule Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone (Published 2005)
Supreme Court rules that police do not have constitutional duty to protect person from harm, even woman who obtained court-issued protective order against violent husband which made arrest mandatory for violation; decision overturns ruling by federal appeals court in Colorado; it had permitted...www.nytimes.com
"When I heard the shooting through the door, I told my friend to hide under something so he won't find us," he said. "I was hiding hard. And I was telling my friend to not talk because he is going to hear us."
The boy and four others hid under a table that had a tablecloth over it, which may have shielded them from the shooter's view and saved their lives. The boy shared heartbreaking details about what happened in that room.
"When the cops came, the cop said: 'Yell if you need help!' And one of the persons in my class said 'help.' The guy overheard and he came in and shot her," the boy said.
It really depends a lot on what the timeline of the actual shooting was which has still not been established from what I can tell. If all the shots stopped after the first few minutes and the shooter appeared to be contained and surrounded within a room then waiting for better armed cops to arrive and keeping potential victims away from the scene is probably the right play on average. But the timeline is an absolute mess and it is not yet clear how any of this went down so we're still stuck speculating. Surely the cops fucked up, they always do and always will, there simply isn't enough training in the universe that will ever make a police response to a mass shooting competent, but we don't know how they fucked up at this point in time. This is just another reminder that the cops won't save you and often simply cannot save you, that there is no good way to respond to these situations, only to stop them from happening in the first place.This is absolutely perplexing to a non-American outsider.
In the UK, armed police officers are specialised units, so it would be understandable if regular beat cops (who are only armed with hand-to-hand weapons) waited for firearms officers to respond to something like this. Even then, though, you occasionally have unarmed officers tackling armed suspects because they feel like it's their responsibility.
In the US, basically every police officer has a deadly ranged weapon on them. And based on that video, these officers have full assault gear and automatic rifles, so it's not as though they just had pistols and cloth uniforms. What on earth are they waiting for? They're not outmatched tactically, or on an equipment level.
This isn't one of those "I'd totally be a hero in that situation" posts. I'm not trained or armed, so I have no idea how I'd react. But police are supposed to be both trained and armed to react to scenarios just like these, and instead they have to wait for a separate group of other armed officers before they'll do anything?
It doesn't make sense to us either. How anyone can support this is beyond me.This is absolutely perplexing to a non-American outsider.
In the UK, armed police officers are specialised units, so it would be understandable if regular beat cops (who are only armed with hand-to-hand weapons) waited for firearms officers to respond to something like this. Even then, though, you occasionally have unarmed officers tackling armed suspects because they feel like it's their responsibility.
In the US, basically every police officer has a deadly ranged weapon on them. And based on that video, these officers have full assault gear and automatic rifles, so it's not as though they just had pistols and cloth uniforms. What on earth are they waiting for? They're not outmatched tactically, or on an equipment level.
This isn't one of those "I'd totally be a hero in that situation" posts. I'm not trained or armed, so I have no idea how I'd react. But police are supposed to be both trained and armed to react to scenarios just like these, and instead they have to wait for a separate group of other armed officers before they'll do anything?
Didn't they go into get their own kids out though while keeping all the other parents out? Like this whole thing sounds dodgy af. You are right that gun control laws coming in is the only way to stop mass shootings but I think there's a bit more going on here then just you can't train anyone to be able to respond competently to a mass shootingIt really depends a lot on what the timeline of the actual shooting was which has still not been established from what I can tell. If all the shots stopped after the first few minutes and the shooter appeared to be contained and surrounded within a room then waiting for better armed cops to arrive and keeping potential victims away from the scene is probably the right play on average. But the timeline is an absolute mess and it is not yet clear how any of this went down so we're still stuck speculating. Surely the cops fucked up, they always do and always will, there simply isn't enough training in the universe that will ever make a police response to a mass shooting competent, but we don't know how they fucked up at this point in time. This is just another reminder that the cops won't save you and often simply cannot save you, that there is no good way to respond to these situations, only to stop them from happening in the first place.
We don't know at this point, one person was quoted saying simply that but they did not state that they believed the cops prioritized their kids over the others or anything so we're left to speculate what actually happened. The timeline is simply too unknown at this point to draw any specific conclusions about what happened.Didn't they go into get their own kids out though while keeping all the other parents out? Like this whole thing sounds dodgy af. You are right that gun control laws coming in is the only way to stop mass shootings but I think there's a bit more going on here then just you can't train anyone to be able to respond competently to a mass shooting
You seem to have an issue getting your point across. Perhaps a translator or community advocate could assist on your behalf?I never said it matters nor that I'm a victim. You keep going back to my original post which was an initial reaction & didn't quote anyone. You seem intent on fighting a straw man that doesn't exist. Which, if that what it takes to get your anger out, feel free. But it's neither accurate nor helpful to the broader thread discussion.
How does police training work in the US? I live in a shithole country, but people have to take serious physical/psychological tests to even start training to be a cop (same with soldiers).