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Joe Biden denies he sexually assaulted a former Senate aide
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If Reade herself is saying she didn't file a complaint, there wouldn't be any corroborating document in the University of Delaware or The National Archives.
It's expected that presidential candidates release their tax records, which certainly doesn't apply in a police investigation.
He shouldn't have run for office in the first place. If Trump gets another term it won't be the fault of Tara Reade, Bernie Sanders, people who didn't want to vote for a rapist or even the electoral college, it will be the fault of Joe Biden for running and the DNC for going all in despite his creepyness, the sexual assault allegation and the fact that he may be the second most incoherent politican in America behind Donald Trump.
There's likely a metric ton of downside for him to do because there's probably skeletons in that closet. If there was no downside do you really think he would be refusing?
Well, Biden is now on record that no complaint of any kind was on record, and that his staff took that stuff very seriously and would have remembered. So if any complaint of any kind pops up, it proves Biden and his staff are lying.
No it would be the fault of the people who want him to be the president more so than anyone else. Those people being voters
I could never support a rapist.
Don't tell me there's no alternative, there are plenty of alternatives. I'm not going to start supporting rapists. I understand others will for various reasons, but for me there is a line and he has crossed it.
Perhaps thankfully, i'm not in a position to vote as I am not from the US, but I would not be voting for Biden. This isn't me just being 'Bernie or nobody', there are plenty of Democrats I would personally vote for as the 'lesser of two evils' (e.g. Clinton, Warren, Klobuchar). I draw the line at a rapist.
I will never describe a rapist as 'our only hope'.
I could've swore reporting was that she had made a direct complaint, and that was why there was this big hullabaloo about his records.
Shitty, but expected. I wouldn't have been satisfied with anything less than "im stepping down"". This is going to come back and bite him in the ass come November.
He has explained why there would be no personnel files there. Any "search" of thousands of boxes that the University says aren't even cataloged yet would open a ridiculous fishing expedition. Tara Reade claims a complaint was filed. Joe pointed to where it would be. Let's see what turns up
It is so frustrating how so many people here act like Joe failing is anyone's fault but his. His one job from now until November is to get people to vote for him. If he can't do that, why the hell did he even run?
It's not a "simple search" because it's hard copies of information in various boxes (I think 1800+?) and we're in the middle of a pandemic. Library is shut down at the moment. You'd need a team of people to read through everything even if it's already sorted by year and that'd be quite a project.
We might see them figure out something but it's pretty worthless if Tara Reade doesn't agree to whoever is doing a search. That person/people would also have to agree not to leak stuff that didn't directly relate to Reade. Even if she's happy with the search you'd have people cooking up conspiracy theories at this point if it doesn't turn up anything.
This is pretty much where I'm at. If additional concrete evidence appears, it's more to reconsider.
To overturn wholly unrelated leaves --which is what is in the university and makes it an acid washed emails sitch -- makes it seem more like an axe to grind than anything and just is being done in the name of potential oppo. It's supposed to be about justice.
Speaking for myself, If a non sham investigation is done and beyond-reasonable-doubt conclusions are missing, that's good enough for me. That satisfies my understanding of the importance of "believe women" (that is, take each and every claim seriously and investigate it thoroughly; don't dismiss out of hand), and ensures there is some relatively objective measure to find justice. Texture changes if something is found in the related archive with personnel documents, however.
Overall I think the appearance helped Biden. Unless he's heinous and things are found, this should serve as his statement for a while.
I agree here. I was mostly going after the "unless you have something to hide" part of what I was quoting. Biden not doing something that could exonerate him isn't and shouldn't be read as evidence itself of guilt. In the same a missing email server can't itself be presumed to contain damning Benghazi emails or whatever.
What I'd want to know is if Biden's claim that the complaint would be in the National Archives is true or not (is that actually where they all go, I don't know)?
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Yeah there's something in there he doesn't want people to see. Whether it's related to Tara Reade or not, we may never know.
There is an obvious downside. There's a reason files like these are usually only released after a politician retires. They reveal 'how the sausage is made' with regards to law-making, foreign affairs, and general politicking. They reveal frank, candid, and ugly discussions and quotes that could be used as political fodder. Just think of all the mileage that was gotten from all of the Clinton campaign emails
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That tweet from 2017 where she refers to him as "My old boss" doesn't sit right with me. Maybe it's just me, but I know I don't refer to the guy who tried to get me drunk and rape me as "My old drinking buddy". I wouldn't like a bunch of his tweets. I wouldn't like a bunch of tweets praising him. I know people do funny things, but I just get so much cognitive dissonance when I try to reconcile that stuff.
This cnn article at least has a statement to that effect.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/30/politics/biden-senate-papers/index.html
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The demand isn't that he release the whole set of records, only that he allow a search for records relating to Tara Reade and release any that are found.
This is really bad I'm sorry. This is the reason women don't come forward. We can be better than this
I'd argue he must've been a shitty prosecutor if that's how he thought of victims of sexual assault. Anyone with experience in that realm knows that delayed reporting, leaving out key details (especially to a man), not remembering specific details, etc. all of that is common for victims of sexual violence.
You don't know what you're talking about.
Often times victims try to downplay the abuser's behavior and excuse what they did, especially if they personally liked the individual before the incident. Things like "boys will be boys" is actually an excuse victims themselves will repeat.
It's one thing to have said nothing, but to have publicly praised the person? Come on, she could have said or liked nothing. It's weird to have publicly praised him.
Barring new victims or evidence coming to light, this was always going to be the eventual outcome. He handled this about as well as he could politically (for now) and did it without trashing Reade like Trump has done with his victims with defenses like "she's not even my type".
He wasn't going to sway everyone but he did enough to probably assuage his political allies on the left.
I had to put these two headlines together
This makes no sense, so you're saying because of the first photo he should have said "you should presume she's telling the truth" about being accused himself?
really who knows? i'm sure similar dynamics are at play when victims of abuse from family members don't speak out, or indeed, act as if everything was good. it's a pretty bad situation. not that im saying that this is what happened here. but i dont think it's unreasonable that this is something quite common.
I had to put these two headlines together
Why? He addressed this exact juxtaposition. He is still arguing that you should presume they are telling the truth
It's good we can come to an agreement here: "unless you have something to hide" was definitely wrong phrasing on my part.
He does I'm just saying that the headline CNN chose doesn't exactly lean that way as his statement did continue to say you should presume they are telling the truth.
Fuck. Joe. Biden. Opening the National Archives doesn't mean jack shit to me for the following reasons:
- Documents are stolen on a regular basis from the National Archives and enough people are actually caught for it which makes me immediately question the reliability of the info.
- Not allowing access to the University of Delaware files where his campaign had been suspected of scrubbing docs because "there's nothing there" is damning as fuck.
- Releasing a hand-picked single library of documents explains absolutely nothing. Proves absolutely nothing.
- Biden was a Senator for 30 years. No Presidential campaign would open the archives if there was any risk in doing so. If this results in not finding a single bit of useful info Republicans could use against him - that would be suspicious in-of-itself.
But that's usually in the context of the family dynamic, not from across the internet long after the family dynamic no longer exists.
Just doesn't make sense to me.
It's weird? Maybe she hadn't processed what had happened to her yet or dissociated from it. I don't know how hard I can hammer home the idea that: this kind of talk makes women stay silent.
Why he couldn't have raped you. You guys were friends for years after!
Holy shit, i just watched the clip of him trying to answer why he won't allow access on a search for Tara's name in the files and it's so damn obvious he's lying. His body language and stuttering says it all.
Edit: I was unaware Joe had a stutter and have since apologised after having it brought. to my attention. Sorry
Edit: I was unaware Joe had a stutter and have since apologised after having it brought. to my attention. Sorry
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Lots of things don't make sense to a lot of people when allegations are targeting someone you support. Especially someone you support going against Trump.
In files he donated for preservation. Lol.
His physical disability is your barometer of truthfulness? The fuck.
Why would he preserve files that would legally incriminate him?
You have to take both the inconsistencies into account and the fact that it's something that can commonly happen when sexual assault victims come forward because they were scared/embarrassed/traumatized etc of telling the whole story publicly.
We have a plausible explanation as to why the story may have changed, but that doesn't mean any inconsistencies don't matter at all. Ultimately we should be trying to determine what we think actually happened based on reporting/facts.
I feel like these gifs need repeating in every thread on the subject... They all make my skin crawl... Red flags galore...
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The thing is I really want to go canvassing and campaigning against Trump during the election. I just refuse to do so for a sexual predator. Please resign.
wow this post fucking sucks. we're really just grasping at straws now to call rape victims liars huh
Does he have a physical disability? Forgive me i'm a non American so i was ignorant to that. I still think his body language is all wrong though.
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