Especially not considering their track record with Bernie. They are risking alienating a large part of their base
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Democratic Presidential Primary |February OT| It Can't be Worse than Iowa, Right? (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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Bernie announcement at 1pm. Speculation, but I imagine they have informed him that he won and he will be breaking the news around the same time they drop the last batch.
It really is to late for me to care about the results anymore. The damage has already been done.
Oh fuck off with this conspiracy bullshit. The Iowa Democratic Party being inept has nothing at all to do with Sanders.
his first tweet:
either you are ok with another four years of this, including an ultra con SC lording over you for the rest of your life, or you are not. whataboutobamaisms are not helping anything except your ego
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Ran out of space and people complained the last time I left Yang off. Neither will win but eh.
People who sit out because voting is made deliberately difficult and because the economic systems they're in don't allow them to take the time to meet the bar are one thing. And I wouldn't scold minorities for not voting for people they don't belive are going to advance their interests.
But yeah, I think that if you're white and priveleges enough that you'd decide not to vote when you could just to express a preference, this of all years... Yeah, I think you can take some shame. That feels fair to me.
Timing seems about right for the final batch to be released. I can't imagine this being anything other than Bernie claiming victory.
Hey, good luck judging for people for not doing what you want them to do.
That didnt work in 2000, 2002, 2004, 2010, 2014 and 2016 but it WILL work this time! Seventh time is the charm!
Id be more ok with 4 more trump years than an entire future where we get no real choice and are forced to 'choose' between Bidens and Bloombergs
I know the Iowa caucuses are confusing, but imagine if YouTube/"independent media" pundits had spent the last 3 days reading about how the caucuses actually work instead of tweeting and retweeting conspiracy theories. And after all that Sanders may actually win anyway. Clowns.
FWIW, the media never really claimed that Mayor Pete won the popular vote, but rather had a bigger share of overall state delegates.
Writing Biden off before SC and Super Tuesday seems premature. I don't expect anyone to drop until after, at least among the candidates that are actually receiving worthwhile shares of the vote or are projected to receive worthwhile support in those states.
His support could certainly collapse. I think there's a possibility his issue in Iowa could be Social Security, and that could have a broader effect. Or it could have just been due to a backward caucus system combined with a strong emphasis from other candidates on Iowa. The possibility of us sitting here a month from now with Biden having one of the largest or the largest share of delegates is still in play.
His support could certainly collapse. I think there's a possibility his issue in Iowa could be Social Security, and that could have a broader effect. Or it could have just been due to a backward caucus system combined with a strong emphasis from other candidates on Iowa. The possibility of us sitting here a month from now with Biden having one of the largest or the largest share of delegates is still in play.
This is a false dichotomy fallacy.
Just because you run a moderate candidate doesn't mean progressives get locked out from running ever again.
If your stance is, "I'm going to sit out this election if my chosen candidate doesn't win", I have minimal respect for you and you deserve to be criticized. Good look getting progressive legislation to stay on the books with a 7-2 Conservative majority in the Supreme Court for the next 40 years.
"It doesn't personally effect me negatively, so fuck voting."
You see how silly this is right? There's more at stack than 4 years of policy bickering. That's enough time for Republicans to push the US back to pre-FDR America and roll back rights for an unfathomable number of Americans.
Or that the president wouldn't sign progressive pushed laws
I think some people just have a fundamental misunderstanding about government and think that president=everything.
No its about the party gatekeeping and keeping real liberal candidates off of the final ticket
*More voters choose candidate X than candidate Y*
"Why must the party be gatekeepers and prevent candidate Y from succeeding???"
Pete leading early and then ending with a slight Sanders win: "the media/establishment purposefully released results that would show Pete winning to destroy Sanders' momentum!"
Sanders leading early and then ending with a slight Pete win: "the media/establishment had to rig the results at the last second to prevent a Sanders win!"
Half this thread is gonna be banned by the end of the month at this rate lmao
But aren't rural whites the people Biden was supposed to be a shoe-in to win? Is that not the whole reason why the DNC wants him to take it in the first place?
Idk, I think his Iowa results were pretty damning.
The president has out sized influence in certain areas. If you care a great deal about immigration and foreign policy and not much else then yeah President X or bust, otherwise you are choosing which caretaker is going to pick up the pieces after Trump has run roughshod over the entire US government. They will not pass M4A in the next 4 years, there will be no free college, no banks will be broken up. They'd be lucky to get some mild climate change legislation through.
If he squeeks out Iowa and then wins NH, then the coverage that he is 2-0. Even though he didn't get covered as the winner of Iowa at the start, people will still hear it if he wins NH.
If Biden was a close 2nd it really wouldn't mean much, but Biden is running out of money and he's now losing voters to mayor pete. It bodes extremely well.
538 has updated their model from bernie 2nd place biden with a comfortable 1st place, to now bernie with over 50% of winning the nomination and biden in 2nd with a 1 in 6 chance.
I hate to break it to you, 48% of independents think the democratic party is too far left.
The truth is that america is no where close to having any progressive movement. Even if Bernie wins the elections, he is still going to have a impossible time passing legislation. Obama had to fight tooth and nail to get the ACA passed.
That's ridiculous. You may not like the guy but he ain't no ficus.
It has more to do with where the rest of the candidates fall. We don't typically have four to five candidates getting a significant chunk of the pie, which we do this time. If moderates are truly fleeing Biden and headed to other candidates (I don't think this is the case) then his chances look good. If Biden recovers and has a good super Tuesday then it's gonna be a tough road for him.
Iowa or New Hampshire
He won a shitload of Super Tuesday states tho
100% this. This is why I don't get hung up on Twitter BS from privileged potential voters. You're either voting for who and what you think will better this country, or you're an asshole.
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Bernie would be candidate X in this scenario though
The party has set it up so that rigged coin tosses are worth more than votes, so that they can be gatekeepers.
Maybe he will swallow his pride and get stuff done through executive orders. Idk, frankly I don't really think Obama did all he could and the party should have taken things further with 8 years in office. Fuck reaching across the aisle, get shit done.
I would say this is similar to this election, where first four states are a mess
That wasnt my question though. What I'm saying is, if bernie wins new Hampshire and Iowa, it seems bernie has a really good shot at becoming the nominee, statistically, because every candidate who won both since 1976 became the nominee.
How is the party supposed to know they'd get a biased coin flipper? What if it was a bernie surrogate doing the flip? Would you still think it's fixed?
You guys have to appeal to people, you know that right? Democracy doesn't work by force. If people stay home it means you didn't energize them. Democrats generally don't. Fix that instead of lecturing everyone
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