This hurts enough to read, I don't want to experience the cringe of hearing it from him first-hand.
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Democratic Presidential Primary |February OT| It Can't be Worse than Iowa, Right? (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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This hurts enough to read, I don't want to experience the cringe of hearing it from him first-hand.
Isn't that good in your estimation though?
Or are you saying Bloomberg losing the general would be good because it would cause leftist accelerationism?
Completely wipe the 1950s - 1980s from memory. The Red Scare was (and still is) real among the boomers.
maybe Bernie and Warren can Pokemon Go play for Nirvana.... with Donald Drumpf
It's also important to remember that Trump was saying what the Republican base wanted to hear. Bloomberg isn't doing that and revealing his past doesn't make him more appealing to the Democratic base.....hopefully.
Also, am I the only one who doesn't see Biden backing Bloomberg if Biden drops out? Maybe he endorses nobody, but I just don't see it.
If this is the type of garbage to expect, I too would want to shoot myself in the face.
"They'll call Bernie a Socialist!"
I don't know how to break it to you, but they'd try and call *Bloomberg* a Socialist, too.
I don't know how to break it to you, but they'd try and call *Bloomberg* a Socialist, too.
Except having Bernie on record connecting himself with socialism is much more damning.
Not remotely more damning than a soda tax. That was mocked on a national scale.
The Republican base fell behind Trump whether or not the person they tar is "actually" a Socialist does not matter.
Lol at the idea of Bloomberg's support with boomers holding up. Never mind the hours of footage of Bloomberg advocating for cuts to social security and medicare, all that Trump needs to do is cut an ad with this video and he's set:
Are you ready to hear about BLOOMBERG DEATH PANELS for the entire GE cycle?
Are you ready to hear about BLOOMBERG DEATH PANELS for the entire GE cycle?
i hate the fact that boomers are the only demographic that we have to coddle and take care of. meanwhile everyone else can get fucked.
Losing the general is not good at all. No good can come from giving Trump 4 more years.
Here's why Bernie is probably a huge mistake:
But you said you think Bloomberg is going to lose as well, so what makes him better in that respect?
Get youth to show up and vote on a regular basis and you won't have this problem. They just simply have yet to prove themselves as a reliable voter bloc. Hopefully that changes this time around, but I have doubts.
Yup, if after everything seen thus far young voters choose not to show up once again, then whatareyagonnado?
So you think if Bloomberg is on the ticket they'll win the Senate and the House but lose the Electoral College?
Get out of here with that Bernie is unelectable in the GE talk
We all had to hear about how electable Clinton was in 2016, and how unelectable Trump would be.
Then the exact opposite happened
We all had to hear about how electable Clinton was in 2016, and how unelectable Trump would be.
Then the exact opposite happened
Last week I was one of the people in this thread saying I'd vote for Bloomberg and at least he'd be better than Trump. As I've read more stuff and seen more videos of him speaking I've realized I was wrong. Hopefully these newer polls are his peak and he drops as people are more exposed to him.
I think Bloomberg keeps the House but loses the GE. Bernie drives enough old people to the polls to vote straight ticket GOP they lose it all.
Clinton's campaign being a complete disaster doesn't therefore clear Bernie of his faults in the swing states needed for a win.
Ok so Bloomberg also loses the Senate then? Not sure why you mentioned it then.
But ok you think Bloomberg loses the Electoral College, the Senate but keeps the House?
Even though a huge part of the reason Democrats won the House in 2018 is because younger generations finally outvoted the Boomers in raw numbers. You think Bloomberg is going to replicate that and Bernie isn't?
Bernie has the potential to do what Trump did last election
Motivate the core base
And the results from the IA satellite caucuses shows his campaign is reaching new voters. He could be transformative
Motivate the core base
And the results from the IA satellite caucuses shows his campaign is reaching new voters. He could be transformative
Pretty much. Democrats are mostly just the party of Corporate America at this point. If Bloomberg buys his way through this I am out. He'll be the complete collapse of the party, not that it's worth a whole lot anymore.
Mr. Chuck Todd, I don't feel so good.That debate needs to look like
Those aren't even in the same ballpark though. Which potential Republican attack ad sounds scarier to a moderate/independent voter?
"Some guy wants to raise the cost of your soda!"
vs
"Some guy wants to quadruple the size of government and dramatically raise your taxes (so illegals can get free healthcare)!"
There are plenty of other things to attack Bloomberg on (far, far worse things), so pointing out the soda tax thing seems kind of weak. On the other hand, the 'he's a self-declared socialist in an environment where much of the portion of the electorate that actually votes lived through the Red Scare' angle is an effective (though not really legitimate) potential line of attack against Bernie. I haven't really seen Bernie make any move to assuage the potential fears of moderates, and he'll need those moderates if he wants to win.
If the candidates can't navigate through Chuck Todd, then they have bigger issues going on.
I don't think anyone can beat Trump at this point. His approval rating keeps climbing. It'll be positive soon.
Not to mention Bloomberg has similar sexual harassment accusations as Trump and actually has a lengthy history of supporting and actually enacting racist policy. Is there an expectation that he's going to turn out women and minorities, a decent chunk of the Democratic base?
The assumption that Bloomberg is going to do better than Bernie isn't something I can see. He's victimized too much of the Democratic voting bases and Trump can basically go left on promises to outmaneuver Bloomberg.
Also that result from that MSNBC/Wall Street poll isn't new. While his approvals are trending up, he's had 46/47% approval ratings several times. He had that approval rating coming into the midterms from the very same poll.
Honestly, I don't think so. Bloomberg is basically their own guy.
They'll just emphasise that he lacks Trumps lifelong racist credentials. That's what their base cares about in the end anyway.
Why should they go for racist-lite, when you can go for full white-nationalist fascist?
It's easy to dismiss Bernie when you just make up claims as they please you. These made up electibility issues are getting really tiring. Especially when every single poll h2h poll out there disputes that claim. I also have yet to hear a convincing argument as to why Bernie loses both the House and the Senate and the others don't
Bloomberg makes a huge chunk of the Dem's electorate stay home.
Hillary was dominating H2H polls up until the point she was actually nominated (and even beyond). Those numbers can turn on a dime once a theoretical candidate becomes a real, concrete one. Technically, it's still Bernie's race to win, but 'he's leading head to head polls!' doesn't really say much about how things will look 6 months from now.
Those are national polls. It's totally possible to win the national popular vote and still lose the electoral college. The latest swing state polls have Bernie vs Trump at 49/48, which is an uncomfortable margin if we're talking about the electoral college, since those swing states are what matter. Winning California by 30 points like Clinton did to increase her popular vote share doesn't mean much with current presidential electoral politics unfortunately.
If Bloomberg is the nom we'd see the lowest turn out in ages. Dems would get crushed and deservedly so.
Also anyone seriously making the argument about Biden's "electability" is ignoring the lack of excitement, the shit fundraising, the shit organizing, the shit debate performances, and the overall lazy campaign he's running.
That debate needs to look like
...don't they lose that fight with Thanos?
I agree. Should be the clip of the first fight from endgame. Don't let a starlord come in here and ruin it for us.
I've pointed this out before in this thread I think, but Clinton in 2016 had a very similar lead then - it doesn't really mean all that much. State polls are what matter.
I don't think Bernie is drawing dead in a general or anything, but this isn't really convincing evidence to the case whatsoever.
It's a quintessential example of the "nanny-state" Republicans have complained about for decades. The point is it's so minor and so much more easily twistable into a negative than Sanders expanding government which is a vague promise versus an actual law that, again, made national headlines. If you don't think Bloomberg will be attacked on it from the right, I don't know what to tell you.
bernie already has response to the "he's a socialist"
basically a "no u" argument but an accurate "no u" argument. and he's been going on about unity for a while, its just that the online moderate crowd don't pay any attention and are way more concerned about teenagers on twitter.
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