Seems like first desecnent uses the chara but made it korean armor style from Warframe(My friend play warframe and say it's similiar, and compare pic)
It feels like every horny realistic looking Korean game has this specific face and expression, almost creepy how standard it is. Maybe down to the plastic surgery ideal?
really the beauty standards everywhere, and how poorly games generally reflect women is a symptom of that.Big eyes, porcelain-white skin, v-line face, heart-shaped lips, slim nose... the beauty standards of East Asia today. When you look at Koei Tecmo games or Chinese 3D games you will see the same thing
I'm not one of the people affected by your previous post, but I appreciate your insightful and detailed apology. Thank you for reaching out!I would like to apologize to the people in this thread:
Context:
On June 29, I opened this thread to page 408. There, I saw post #20,363 by TheEchosOfTheCyborg about Gardenia's new outfit in Pokemon Masters. It included a hidden content box. Having liked many of the outfits in that game, I wanted to know what else TheEchosOfTheCyborg had to say in the hidden box.
At the time, I was not aware of the serious discussions which had occurred in the previous pages in this thread; page 408 does not include any of this discussion in the clear. I was not interested in the other hidden posts on page 408 prior to my post, because there was no non-hidden context accompanying them.
What I did:
I wrote a non-contributing post #20,374 solely in order to see the hidden content in TheEchosOfTheCyborg 's post. I naively wrote the post in a way that indicated that I wanted to see hidden posts in the rest of the thread too, even though I was only interested in TheEchosOfTheCyborg 's post.
What happened afterwards:
Soon after my post, I was reprimanded by several people within this thread regarding my post. After reading these replies, the now revealed other hidden posts, and the more serious content of the previous pages, I understood why my post was more offensive, insensitive, and/or intrusive than I intended. Later that day, I received a temporary ban from ResetEra.
The apology:
Going forward:
- I would like to apologize to the mods for violating ResetEra's rules on drive-by posting, particularly on a thread like this.
- The discussion following my post took up the time of many people, including Patsy , Foot , PallasKitten , PlanetSmasher , Juraash , MoonlitSeer and others. I would like to apologize to them all.
- I agree with Patsy , Foot , and MoonlitSeer that it was wrong to write a non-contributing post just so I could read TheEchosOfTheCyborg 's hidden content. In doing so I also intruded upon several more sensitive posts from coffeecat . Therefore, I would like to apologize to both TheEchosOfTheCyborg and coffeecat .
Most of this mess could have been avoided if my post had contained some contribution and context that indicated why I was interacting with this thread. For example, I could have explicitly replied to TheEchosOfTheCyborg 's post by stating my appreciation of other good outfits in Pokemon Masters. I will keep this in mind for the future.
Thank you for reading.
Yeah but with Korean games of this type it's creepily consistent even beyond the usual "hot girls with delicate features only" stuff you see elsewhere. Which is already bad, this is just jarring.Big eyes, porcelain-white skin, v-line face, heart-shaped lips, slim nose... the beauty standards of East Asia today. When you look at Koei Tecmo games or Chinese 3D games you will see the same thing
My thoughts are that the keys to having sexy female character designs that are tasteful are to put them in outfits that someone would reasonably wear in the setting and not to frame the camera in a leering way (this recent post compares two Samus pictures, where the more revealing outfit feels less leering). As a fantasy game, there's a lot of leeway in the sorts of outfits characters can wear, so something along the lines of a modern sports bra but with fantasy flair wouldn't be out of the question. Big boobs but with actual support, basically. Also worth remembering that there's a variety in what people can find sexy, so use a variety of body types.Our character designer is getting a little worried that the lack of a "booby lady" (her words, not mine) is hurting our game's marketing. I'm inclined to agree, but I'm a little uncomfortable with the idea, and it would kind of stick out from our other characters a bit. So I guess I'm wondering how to navigate the situation. Our character designer is a woman and I'm not, so I don't want to hop on my high horse about it for obvious reasons, but there surely must be a way to do this tastefully? I guess, are they any examples anyone can share of "tasteful" or at least not super male-gaze-y "booby ladies"? Is that possible, or is the entire concept of "booby lady" for marketing inherently a folly?
Our character designer is getting a little worried that the lack of a "booby lady" (her words, not mine) is hurting our game's marketing. I'm inclined to agree, but I'm a little uncomfortable with the idea, and it would kind of stick out from our other characters a bit. So I guess I'm wondering how to navigate the situation. Our character designer is a woman and I'm not, so I don't want to hop on my high horse about it for obvious reasons, but there surely must be a way to do this tastefully? I guess, are they any examples anyone can share of "tasteful" or at least not super male-gaze-y "booby ladies"? Is that possible, or is the entire concept of "booby lady" for marketing inherently a folly?
I know, I'm keeping sight of the thread warning banner. I mean the specific selection of "realistic" super horny games like Stellar Blade and The First Decendant.We should be careful about generalizing that all Korean games do these things. It's fine to go after individual games and their designers, but we're making this thread less welcoming when we say things like "All Korean games do this".
It's fine to criticize First Descendant, but no wide spread generalizations.
For what it's worth, I'm sympathetic to it being an unfortunate coincidence you walked into, and I didn't agree with you catching a ban over it.I would like to apologize to the people in this thread:
Context:
On June 29, I opened this thread to page 408. There, I saw post #20,363 by TheEchosOfTheCyborg about Gardenia's new outfit in Pokemon Masters. It included a hidden content box. Having liked many of the outfits in that game, I wanted to know what else TheEchosOfTheCyborg had to say in the hidden box.
At the time, I was not aware of the serious discussions which had occurred in the previous pages in this thread; page 408 does not include any of this discussion in the clear. I was not interested in the other hidden posts on page 408 prior to my post, because there was no non-hidden context accompanying them.
What I did:
I wrote a non-contributing post #20,374 solely in order to see the hidden content in TheEchosOfTheCyborg 's post. I naively wrote the post in a way that indicated that I wanted to see hidden posts in the rest of the thread too, even though I was only interested in TheEchosOfTheCyborg 's post.
What happened afterwards:
Soon after my post, I was reprimanded by several people within this thread regarding my post. After reading these replies, the now revealed other hidden posts, and the more serious content of the previous pages, I understood why my post was more offensive, insensitive, and/or intrusive than I intended. Later that day, I received a temporary ban from ResetEra.
The apology:
Going forward:
- I would like to apologize to the mods for violating ResetEra's rules on drive-by posting, particularly on a thread like this.
- The discussion following my post took up the time of many people, including Patsy , Foot , PallasKitten , PlanetSmasher , Juraash , MoonlitSeer and others. I would like to apologize to them all.
- I agree with Patsy , Foot , and MoonlitSeer that it was wrong to write a non-contributing post just so I could read TheEchosOfTheCyborg 's hidden content. In doing so I also intruded upon several more sensitive posts from coffeecat . Therefore, I would like to apologize to both TheEchosOfTheCyborg and coffeecat .
Most of this mess could have been avoided if my post had contained some contribution and context that indicated why I was interacting with this thread. For example, I could have explicitly replied to TheEchosOfTheCyborg 's post by stating my appreciation of other good outfits in Pokemon Masters. I will keep this in mind for the future.
Thank you for reading.
My thoughts are that the keys to having sexy female character designs that are tasteful are to put them in outfits that someone would reasonably wear in the setting and not to frame the camera in a leering way (this recent post compares two Samus pictures, where the more revealing outfit feels less leering). As a fantasy game, there's a lot of leeway in the sorts of outfits characters can wear, so something along the lines of a modern sports bra but with fantasy flair wouldn't be out of the question. Big boobs but with actual support, basically. Also worth remembering that there's a variety in what people can find sexy, so use a variety of body types.
It's certainly a decision to be made. At the bare minimum, avoiding the armor-bikini type of crap will put you head and shoulders among most of the pack. Sexuality can be fine if handled in an honest manner. A mage or an assassin type character can use their looks to their advantage in a way that someone wearing armor and swinging an axe cannot (theoretically).
That said, there are plenty of games that go on to sell millions of copies without having a "booby lady".
can you not just design a character you like, and then give her bigger boobs at the end of that process?
I'm making a game with a small team, in a genre that a lot of the time gets quite male-gaze-y, so we're making an effort to have a nice diverse cast of characters with like, respectable designs.
e.g., our "main" character:
Our character designer is getting a little worried that the lack of a "booby lady" (her words, not mine) is hurting our game's marketing. I'm inclined to agree, but I'm a little uncomfortable with the idea, and it would kind of stick out from our other characters a bit. So I guess I'm wondering how to navigate the situation. Our character designer is a woman and I'm not, so I don't want to hop on my high horse about it for obvious reasons, but there surely must be a way to do this tastefully? I guess, are they any examples anyone can share of "tasteful" or at least not super male-gaze-y "booby ladies"? Is that possible, or is the entire concept of "booby lady" for marketing inherently a folly?
They are supposed to look east asian, but it's been kind of hard to do that with the anime-ish style, interestingly
Yeah that's definitely true. That one rule and all that. Forgive me for forgetting who said it or where, but I think earlier in the thread someone mentioned people will treat certain characters more like porn stars than characters, which is very interesting insight imo.Sorry for being a bit late, I hope you don't mind me jumping in. I wanted to just add that people will sexualize female characters for being featured in any work, so I think you have more leeway to design a character that is attractive without getting to the realm of something you're not comfortable with.
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As far as tasteful goes, it can vary since that's so subjective and sexy outfits are still sexualized at the end of the day. Personal opinion here, but I think it comes down to what an outfit says beyond boobs or legs. The first character design you've shown doesn't really mask the character's shape, but she also looks powerful, determined and like she might favor lighter armor that allows her to move quickly and use her magic with ease.
About a month ago there was a discussion on feedback regarding Hoyoverse designs where people were criticizing the sexiness. One of the resounding comments was on how the outfits no longer looked stylish or confident.
With that in mind, I would actually look at things like clothing hauls or styling videos to get a feel for what shapes and styles will strike a better chord for inspiration (or videos that analyze fashion in media like Xavier Farley's videos).
I find this design of the demon Nyx (based on the greek goddess), an opera singer, really nice:
She is wearing a evening gown with a dramatic plunging neckline, the collar reminds you of a robe (a nightgown if you will) and her exaggerated sleeves add to the drama of her animations: she raises her arms to sing opera (we are introduced to her in one game as a singer at a bar). It's decidedly a sexy outfit, but it has more going on.
This is a good example of how to engage with this community. Thank you for posting!I would like to apologize to the people in this thread:
Context:
On June 29, I opened this thread to page 408. There, I saw post #20,363 by TheEchosOfTheCyborg about Gardenia's new outfit in Pokemon Masters. It included a hidden content box. Having liked many of the outfits in that game, I wanted to know what else TheEchosOfTheCyborg had to say in the hidden box.
At the time, I was not aware of the serious discussions which had occurred in the previous pages in this thread; page 408 does not include any of this discussion in the clear. I was not interested in the other hidden posts on page 408 prior to my post, because there was no non-hidden context accompanying them.
What I did:
I wrote a non-contributing post #20,374 solely in order to see the hidden content in TheEchosOfTheCyborg 's post. I naively wrote the post in a way that indicated that I wanted to see hidden posts in the rest of the thread too, even though I was only interested in TheEchosOfTheCyborg 's post.
What happened afterwards:
Soon after my post, I was reprimanded by several people within this thread regarding my post. After reading these replies, the now revealed other hidden posts, and the more serious content of the previous pages, I understood why my post was more offensive, insensitive, and/or intrusive than I intended. Later that day, I received a temporary ban from ResetEra.
The apology:
Going forward:
- I would like to apologize to the mods for violating ResetEra's rules on drive-by posting, particularly on a thread like this.
- The discussion following my post took up the time of many people, including Patsy , Foot , PallasKitten , PlanetSmasher , Juraash , MoonlitSeer and others. I would like to apologize to them all.
- I agree with Patsy , Foot , and MoonlitSeer that it was wrong to write a non-contributing post just so I could read TheEchosOfTheCyborg 's hidden content. In doing so I also intruded upon several more sensitive posts from coffeecat . Therefore, I would like to apologize to both TheEchosOfTheCyborg and coffeecat .
Most of this mess could have been avoided if my post had contained some contribution and context that indicated why I was interacting with this thread. For example, I could have explicitly replied to TheEchosOfTheCyborg 's post by stating my appreciation of other good outfits in Pokemon Masters. I will keep this in mind for the future.
Thank you for reading.
View: https://x.com/Pirat_Nation/status/1809067872783622526
A Dead Rising game of all things, lol. Here's the article on it.
Dead Rising fans are accusing Capcom of 'censoring' the Deluxe remaster
View: https://x.com/Pirat_Nation/status/1809067872783622526
A Dead Rising game of all things, lol. Here's the article on it.
Dead Rising fans are accusing Capcom of 'censoring' the Deluxe remaster
A Dead Rising game of all things, lol. Here's the article on it.
View: https://x.com/Pirat_Nation/status/1809067872783622526
A Dead Rising game of all things, lol. Here's the article on it.
Dead Rising fans are accusing Capcom of 'censoring' the Deluxe remaster
View: https://x.com/Pirat_Nation/status/1809067872783622526
A Dead Rising game of all things, lol. Here's the article on it.
Dead Rising fans are accusing Capcom of 'censoring' the Deluxe remaster
Lol, this is spot on!Removing stockings? Censorship. More fashionable but still sexy dress? Censorship. I want attention because I'm a blue check on Twitter and it could bring me money? Censorship.
Yep, but knowing them they will continue to whine regardless of what happens!You think they'll just not buy the game and stop whining? Because I'd be all for that.
Yeah I would say in some ways it's an improvement.I find her new look so much more classier. Kinda interesting to think about how fashion involves and how to update styles in games 20/30 games later.
I will never understand the logic of weirdos at this point. They really must want those fishnet stockings back. But they cover more of her cleavage so they hate it more now.I'm confused....wouldn't she be better without fishnet stockings because you can see even more skin showing now....? Like, what.
Wouldn't the weirdos want that more than the stockings?
True.Now we at least know that in the woke hierarchy boob window is more woke than a cleavage.
I'm guessing because "Why less boobs?!?" by itself is such a weak complaintI'm confused....wouldn't she be better without fishnet stockings because you can see even more skin showing now....? Like, what.
Wouldn't the weirdos want that more than the stockings?
I will never understand the logic of weirdos at this point. They really must want those fishnet stockings back. But they cover more of her cleavage so they hate it more now.
I'm guessing because "Why less boobs?!?" by itself is such a weak complaint
I'm grasping at straws they don't make any sense at all
Oh 100%, the new dress looks more like an actual, wearable dress vs some PS360 early HD era jank for the purpose of boobs and boobs only. I really like the style of the new dress along with the fabric texture on it as well.Honestly, I think the new dress is much more attractive than the old one because it shows class and style. The old dress doesn't even make sense from a fashion standpoint where you have the smallest amount of fabric just barely covering the area of her nipples, not to mention her straps going around her neck entirely like a halter dress. I've seen V-Shaped plunging necklines before...but this dress screams that it was designed by a guy with no idea about black cocktail dresses.
A quick Google search and this was the best that I could find that was similar to her old dress....and it's still way more fashionable.
I'm confused....wouldn't she be better without fishnet stockings because you can see even more skin showing now....? Like, what.
Wouldn't the weirdos want that more than the stockings?
I'm making a game with a small team, in a genre that a lot of the time gets quite male-gaze-y, so we're making an effort to have a nice diverse cast of characters with like, respectable designs.
e.g., our "main" character:
Our character designer is getting a little worried that the lack of a "booby lady" (her words, not mine) is hurting our game's marketing. I'm inclined to agree, but I'm a little uncomfortable with the idea, and it would kind of stick out from our other characters a bit. So I guess I'm wondering how to navigate the situation. Our character designer is a woman and I'm not, so I don't want to hop on my high horse about it for obvious reasons, but there surely must be a way to do this tastefully? I guess, are they any examples anyone can share of "tasteful" or at least not super male-gaze-y "booby ladies"? Is that possible, or is the entire concept of "booby lady" for marketing inherently a folly?
They are supposed to look east asian, but it's been kind of hard to do that with the anime-ish style, interestingly
Yeah, at this point it's like reporting that water is wet. These tweets are endless, it's the whole point of their accounts. It's just rage bait.
On an unrelated note, I really, really like how you can have an asexual relationship w/ Karlach in BG3. She's perfectly chill w/ no sex, and everything about it is so sweet and respectful. She's probably one of my favorite characters in all of gaming.
I'd love to see more of these types of relationships in games.
Same. I'm only ever exposed to this kinda stuff in my general internet browsing here, or occasionally on Reddit (which is just about the only mainstream social media I use from time to time), but it's usually dunking on the tweets/posts there as well.and once again, I'm sure I'm not alone in this, I wouldn't even know that tweet existed if it wasn't posted here.
Having played Persona 5 and Persona 4 earlier this year, I wish there was more of this in that series. Some of the scenes after you choose between romance and friendship are just so horribly awkward if you pick friendship. Like I get that that's how it goes sometimes if someone falls in love with you while you're just trying to be friends, but my god it felt like so many of the girls were written like that. I wish I could make it clear that I just wanted to be friends, just wanted to learn more about the character or even that I already romanced another girl early on in the social link just to avoid that whole thing and not get a super awkward ending.On an unrelated note, I really, really like how you can have an asexual relationship w/ Karlach in BG3. She's perfectly chill w/ no sex, and everything about it is so sweet and respectful. She's probably one of my favorite characters in all of gaming.
I'd love to see more of these types of relationships in games.
To add to this, this is also giving them exactly what they want. For their dumb words to spread even further and they'll never care what you call them.Same. I'm only ever exposed to this kinda stuff in my general internet browsing here, or occasionally on Reddit (which is just about the only mainstream social media I use from time to time), but it's usually dunking on the tweets/posts there as well.
While I get laughing at or critiquing these kinds of tweets is funny or cathartic at times (for myself included), it does often make me just check out of the conversation for a bit whenever it's dominating. The stuff from chud accounts is so insanely repetitive it's just too dull to even really acknowledge for me at this point, since I feel like anything I could say about them I've probably already said a million times before.
Oh I didn't know that was an option. That's really cool! Hades did this with Dusa and it was really heartwarming.On an unrelated note, I really, really like how you can have an asexual relationship w/ Karlach in BG3. She's perfectly chill w/ no sex, and everything about it is so sweet and respectful. She's probably one of my favorite characters in all of gaming.
I'd love to see more of these types of relationships in games.
Aigis's friendship route in P3 Reload is really sweet and I hope we get more of that going forward.Having played Persona 5 and Persona 4 earlier this year, I wish there was more of this in that series. Some of the scenes after you choose between romance and friendship are just so horribly awkward if you pick friendship. Like I get that that's how it goes sometimes if someone falls in love with you while you're just trying to be friends, but my god it felt like so many of the girls were written like that. I wish I could make it clear that I just wanted to be friends, just wanted to learn more about the character or even that I already romanced another girl early on in the social link just to avoid that whole thing and not get a super awkward ending.
Yep. I'm sure it's no secret that this forum, and especially this thread, are "watched" on certain forums/discords, and I can only imagine them getting a kick out of seeing people's reactions to chud tweets here, since it probably shows them we're "bothered" by them in their minds or something, or at the very least, paying attention to them.To add to this, this is also giving them exactly what they want. For their dumb words to spread even further and they'll never care what you call them.
Quitting Twitter ages ago and no longer having to see the constant quote retweets of people dunking on hate-speech, and thus spreading hate speech has been great for my mental health too. To me seeing this stuff now is just tiring I guess.
Or with AI Facebook Jesus in the plane, in the mud, in the water, or on the golf course.Big eyes, porcelain-white skin, v-line face, heart-shaped lips, slim nose... the beauty standards of East Asia today. When you look at Koei Tecmo games or Chinese 3D games you will see the same thing
Looking forward to giving that one a go later this year, been hearing some pretty good things about it. I tried P3P earlier this year and while I adored getting to play a female mc for once that version just didn't click with me.Aigis's friendship route in P3 Reload is really sweet and I hope we get more of that going forward.
I'm interested to see that one when I get back to reload if so. I've always disliked Aigis and it's always been down to how she's been portrayed, she always comes across as a kinda creepy obsessive which I never appreciated at all. It always just weirded me out. I get that she's a robot and doesn't know any better, but it didn't even feel like it was just that, it felt like they were really playing into it for fanservices and the lols. Even worse in the original version of P3 you had no choice but to date everyone (or ignore the social link altogether).Aigis's friendship route in P3 Reload is really sweet and I hope we get more of that going forward.
I'm making a game with a small team, in a genre that a lot of the time gets quite male-gaze-y, so we're making an effort to have a nice diverse cast of characters with like, respectable designs.
Our character designer is getting a little worried that the lack of a "booby lady" (her words, not mine) is hurting our game's marketing. I'm inclined to agree, but I'm a little uncomfortable with the idea, and it would kind of stick out from our other characters a bit. So I guess I'm wondering how to navigate the situation. Our character designer is a woman and I'm not, so I don't want to hop on my high horse about it for obvious reasons, but there surely must be a way to do this tastefully? I guess, are they any examples anyone can share of "tasteful" or at least not super male-gaze-y "booby ladies"? Is that possible, or is the entire concept of "booby lady" for marketing inherently a folly?
With this grounded aesthetic you will have to do some work to create a gal who would actually go full 'boobylady' despite the attached inconvenience, but that's not impossible. Maybe she can be some force-field mage who genuinely doesn't need any additional protection, or an arrogant dumbass who is deliberately prioritizing her aesthetic over safety and comfort.I'm making a game with a small team, in a genre that a lot of the time gets quite male-gaze-y, so we're making an effort to have a nice diverse cast of characters with like, respectable designs.
e.g., our "main" character:
Our character designer is getting a little worried that the lack of a "booby lady" (her words, not mine) is hurting our game's marketing. I'm inclined to agree, but I'm a little uncomfortable with the idea, and it would kind of stick out from our other characters a bit. So I guess I'm wondering how to navigate the situation. Our character designer is a woman and I'm not, so I don't want to hop on my high horse about it for obvious reasons, but there surely must be a way to do this tastefully? I guess, are they any examples anyone can share of "tasteful" or at least not super male-gaze-y "booby ladies"? Is that possible, or is the entire concept of "booby lady" for marketing inherently a folly?
They are supposed to look east asian, but it's been kind of hard to do that with the anime-ish style, interestingly