What was worse? Indiana Jones : Crystal Skull, or Star Wars: Rise of Skywalker
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Rise and it's not even close. There are parts in Crystal Skull that are genuinely good.
Rise is devoid of anything remotely good.
Rise is devoid of anything remotely good.
Shia LaBeouf and turning Indy into a happy family man maybe
I have some issues but I also think the movie gets unfairly shit on. I actually love the entire atomic bomb sequence
so, Rise by several country miles
I saw Crystal Skull once and will never watch it again. People saying it was not that bad are out of their minds. I don't want to watch RoS, but I could sit through it again.
I'd go with TROS just because of the hot potato-ing of episodes 7-9 (episodes 4-6 have done the same thing, but at least they were consistent). Episodes 7-9 had the opportunity to create a new antagonist, but just dropped the ball. Don't get me started on the characters.
I always find it funny that people have no issue with made up religious nonsense like the Arc of the Covenant or the Holy Grail being real items that do literal magic but got forbid Aliens which in concept is just another form of life in the vast universe that is more advanced then us and every one looses their minds.
The only Luke fight scene I can remember from RoS is the one with his wig.
Crystal is a let down sure, but it doesn't have much riding on it, and as others have said, can stand on its own without involving the others. it's still fun, in a goofy way. A way that Indy probably shouldn't be, but it can still be stupid fun.
ROTS actively tries to take back the previous 2 movies because JJ Abrams didn't know how to move on from TLJ so he just, didn't. ROTS is a failing at a level beyond the film, it's a failing at Disney to keep their most valuable property running smoothly instead of just winging it and hoping people would buy in because 'Star Wars'
ROTS actively tries to take back the previous 2 movies because JJ Abrams didn't know how to move on from TLJ so he just, didn't. ROTS is a failing at a level beyond the film, it's a failing at Disney to keep their most valuable property running smoothly instead of just winging it and hoping people would buy in because 'Star Wars'
Lol.
I completely forgot about the last movie.
I genuinely do not know at this point.
I'm super excited to rewatch Crystal Skull with my kids after we watched the original trilogy over the past 3 weekends. I can't imagine wanting to go back to Rise anytime soon.
Crystal Skull is bad
Rise of Skywalker is the creative equivalent of that pink goo they make chicken nuggets out of. At least the prequel movies were bad in service of some kind of artistic vision. Rise of Skywalker is a portent of a possible future, a Funko Pop stomping on a human face, forever.
Rise of Skywalker is the creative equivalent of that pink goo they make chicken nuggets out of. At least the prequel movies were bad in service of some kind of artistic vision. Rise of Skywalker is a portent of a possible future, a Funko Pop stomping on a human face, forever.
Crystal Skull is easily worse because the Star Wars brand had already been long sullied before Rise of Skywalker. ROS was just another bad Star Wars movie, of which we've had a few, but Indy had never been so awful in such a profoundly disappointing way.
Rise of Skywalker might legitimately be the worst film I have ever watched. Most bad movies are bad because their vision exceeded their resources and their talent, or because their intention was misguided or offensive, or at worst because they just couldn't make their ideas into an interesting movie. Rise of Skywalker is top to bottom an intellectually, artistically, creatively bankrupt project without an ounce of sincerity visible in any aspect of its production. Rise of Skywalker is the equivalent of a novelty light up keychain that you buy for $15 at a theme park gift shop and comes with a redemption code for a lootbox.
I don't know if I'm adequately describing how much I loathe this movie
I don't know if I'm adequately describing how much I loathe this movie
I don't see why people hate KotCS so much. Like, it has a LOT of flaws, don't get me wrong, but a lot of it really feels like people doing CinemaSins dings. "You can't survive a nuclear explosion with a refrigerator, DING"
I don't think that's a fair argument, since TFA and TLJ brought Star Wars back to being good again. RoS killed that, and now they have to regroup.
I don't think that's a fair argument, since TFA and TLJ brought Star Wars back to being good again. RoS killed that, and now they have to regroup.
Crystal Skull is the worse movie for me, but RoS has WAAAY more bad implications for the rest of the series.
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My problem wasn't the aliens at all in fact, it was the reliance on cheese ball bad CGI action, turning the movie into a grating theme park ride. It legitimately felt like a cartoon to me, and where it does have some stronger moments in the beginning, it just spirals downwards from there. The movie had zero of the heart of the original trilogy.
With that said, upon reading this thread and reliving the awful mess of RoS, I realize it is a much worse film and actively retcons and ruins parts of the saga's story.
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This is true. The first 30 min of Crystal Skull is quite fun.
Indiana Jones movies are so standalone it's hard to be angry about a bad one, particularly when it's a 'one last ride' entry like 20 years later. Crystal Skull stuck out for being a 150-minute mind-numbing CGI ordeal back in 2008, but if you go back and watch it today now that all blockbusters are 150-minute CGI ordeals it's honestly pretty watchable.
You can't separate TROS from the rest of Star Wars because it's not just a direct sequel, but for whatever boneheaded reason they decided it also had to be the capper to ALL Star Wars, so it just sits there forever spoiling the whole thing. One of the most cynical, creatively-bankrupt exercises in the history of corporate filmmaking. A movie with no thesis, no themes, nothing to say about anything. Just all around dogshit. Folks, it stinks.
You can't separate TROS from the rest of Star Wars because it's not just a direct sequel, but for whatever boneheaded reason they decided it also had to be the capper to ALL Star Wars, so it just sits there forever spoiling the whole thing. One of the most cynical, creatively-bankrupt exercises in the history of corporate filmmaking. A movie with no thesis, no themes, nothing to say about anything. Just all around dogshit. Folks, it stinks.
Crystal Skull is, at worst, bad for an Indiana Jones movie.
Rise of Skywalker is, at best, bad.
Rise of Skywalker is, at best, bad.
TROS wasn't THAT horrible. It just didn't give us a satisfying conclusion. It was mostly just boring with no real buildup or climax. Nothing from the previous movies amounted to anything substantial in this one.
Crystal Skull felt more like a 50 year High School reunion with wasted side-actors in bad roles and some really dumb CGI moments.
I've re-watched ROS more than Crystal Skull. In fact, I've only seen Crystal Skull once and have no desire to watch it again.
Crystal Skull felt more like a 50 year High School reunion with wasted side-actors in bad roles and some really dumb CGI moments.
I've re-watched ROS more than Crystal Skull. In fact, I've only seen Crystal Skull once and have no desire to watch it again.
crystal skull just had no business being made and i hate it
that hurts me much more than yet another bad star wars movie
like yeah temple of doom isnt very good but neither is return of the jedi, they didnt need to unearth indiana jones
that hurts me much more than yet another bad star wars movie
like yeah temple of doom isnt very good but neither is return of the jedi, they didnt need to unearth indiana jones
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Crystal Skull is a great and fun Indy movie. It's not the worst Indy, and only reason it's shit on is because people wanna pretend they are some elite dumbasses and hate on it because it used some CGI.
Rise of Skywalker was just bad.
Rise of Skywalker was just bad.
There's like a 5 second flashback scene where he fights/duels with Leia
I believe it's called 'chicken'.
The problems with Crystal Skull aren't the script. Rather more the CG and how all the action is staged. It isn't *the dialogue scenes* people take issue with.
both movies are terrible so really just arguing about which animals shit you'd rather eat isn't exactly a good time. Still, I'd put my nod at Crystal Skull as being slightly worse. ROS is awful but has decent effects, good acting, moves at an insanely breakneck speed, and you can sorta understand why X Y and Z occur even though the script is wretchedly bad and its all just reused tropes and member berries.
Crystal Skull has some bad acting (Shia LB, the russian evil lady?), you get insane goofy moments that make you just go "what the fuck?" like fridge time or aliens, and its also chock full of tropes and member berries.
Either way I've only watched both movies once, in theaters, and will never watch either again so maybe I'm forgetting which one is worse.
Crystal Skull has some bad acting (Shia LB, the russian evil lady?), you get insane goofy moments that make you just go "what the fuck?" like fridge time or aliens, and its also chock full of tropes and member berries.
Either way I've only watched both movies once, in theaters, and will never watch either again so maybe I'm forgetting which one is worse.
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Must...resist... Avatar quoting..
I've only seen it once, but I don't remember thinking it sucked as bad as RoS
Hmm makes you think what the age difference between Padme and Anakin was about. Bonus creepy points for Luke and Leia kissing.