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Oct 29, 2017
7,503
This trailer was a big turnoff for me. I thought this was a dialogue-heavy RPG kind of game and the trailer didn't indicate that at all? And the whole "serial killer poses bodies while dancing to a silly tune" was just dumb to me and really derivative of the Joker or something. I got no sense of what this game's unique personality is if it has one.
 

Kthulhu

Member
Oct 25, 2017
14,670
Kinda wish they had shown a bit more, but it was a great trailer regardless. Those strung up people were absolutely chilling lol
 
Oct 25, 2017
19,165
Very unhyped for this game. Out of the all the ways you could hype vampire gameplay and the dialogue that the original was known for, you decide to show... alleyway brawls? Meh? The animations are definitely budget (and that's totally ok), but maybe focus on your strengths in your trailers. It's probably because the trailer is for mass market consumption, but I guess none of the media for this game has sold me on the original V:TM tenets.
I mean people say this but ultimately in these games you do end up in combat a fair bit it's something that they need to show.
 
May 26, 2018
24,064
Grabo? You take that back. 5e is awesome IMO.

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Oct 25, 2017
19,165
This trailer was a big turnoff for me. I thought this was a dialogue-heavy RPG kind of game and the trailer didn't indicate that at all? And the whole "serial killer poses bodies while dancing to a silly tune" was just dumb to me and really derivative of the Joker or something. I got no sense of what this game's unique personality is if it has one.
Goddamn dawg, read some crime fiction.
 

Funky Papa

Member
Oct 28, 2017
4,694
Grabo? You take that back. 5e is awesome IMO.
Nossies no longer being an immediate Masquerade violation doesn't rub with me. Nor fucking over the Tremere. Nor whatever they turned the Setites into. I'm just eeeeeeeh about many of the changes.

This trailer was a big turnoff for me. I thought this was a dialogue-heavy RPG kind of game and the trailer didn't indicate that at all? And the whole "serial killer poses bodies while dancing to a silly tune" was just dumb to me and really derivative of the Joker or something. I got no sense of what this game's unique personality is if it has one.
It should be massively dialogue heavy, much more than most RPGs out there these days. It's just not that kind of trailer. Watch the E3 2019 gameplay videos for a better look at it.
 

Crossing Eden

Member
Oct 26, 2017
53,535
This trailer was a big turnoff for me. I thought this was a dialogue-heavy RPG kind of game and the trailer didn't indicate that at all? And the whole "serial killer poses bodies while dancing to a silly tune" was just dumb to me and really derivative of the Joker or something. I got no sense of what this game's unique personality if it has one.
It should be noted that the majority of these scenes were made for this trailer. Especially the dancing bits. Thing is, it's just hard to advertise that sort of title in a 2 min video.
 
May 26, 2018
24,064
Nossies no longer being an immediate Masquerade violation doesn't rub with me. Nor fucking over the Tremere. Nor whatever they turned the Setites into. I'm just eeeeeeeh about many of the changes.


It should be massively dialogue heavy, much more than most RPGs out there these days. It's just not that kind of trailer. Watch the E3 2018 gameplay videos for a better look at it.

damn, I can't believe it's already been that long...
 
Oct 25, 2017
19,165
yo so of you have been around for a long time in this and other communities are we still going to do the same song & dance every time a mass consumption trailer for a niche product get released?

Guess what if you got a 2-minute spot to sell a product spending that 2 minutes on a create a character walking in a z from NPC to NPC on a mostly empty city street is not the best use of time or money, which they need if you want them to keep making these products
 

Noema

Member
Jan 17, 2018
4,916
Mexico CIty
I wasn't expecting this but I'm excited.

I hope they go full on 0451 Immersive Sim on this. I want to loot every drawer and read every email, dammit.
 

luminosity

"This guy are sick"
Member
Oct 30, 2017
957
Why the focus on dancing? Is that the only social activity vampires do to lure victims?
 

FantaSoda

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,992
I wasn't expecting this but I'm excited.

I hope they go full on 0451 Immersive Sim on this. I want to loot every drawer and read every email, dammit.

I can guarantee you that they won't do this. Even the original was very spartan on how much you could interact with the world.

Which neck did they fix?

The girl from the trailer's thumbnail. Go back and watch last year's video, she had a bad case of giraffe neck.
 

smocaine

Member
Oct 30, 2019
2,027
Looks poor IMO, especially the animations compared to the original 2004 game. The faces look like they were posed in Garry's Mod.
 

Tyaren

Character Artist
Verified
Oct 25, 2017
24,897
Loved the song choice...
"Danke schoen, darling, danke schoen..."
 

Psyrgery

Member
Nov 7, 2017
1,749
I'm laughing uproariously at the idea that one of the kindred doing something random and pointlessly cruel is somehow out of step with this franchise.

I mean, you had independent kindred doing all kinds of nasty stuff in the first one.

The killer that disemboweled the thugs that had killed his daughter.

Father kranker from the cult that was spreading disease throughout the city

The canibal vampire in the ruined hospital
 

Funky Papa

Member
Oct 28, 2017
4,694
I mean, you had independent kindred doing all kinds of nasty stuff in the first one.

The killer that disemboweled the thugs that had killed his daughter.

Father kranker from the cult that was spreading disease throughout the city

The canibal vampire in the ruined hospital
Let's not forget about creating your own little ghoul and fucking her over and her whole innocent life for lulz.
 

KernelC

alt account
Banned
Aug 28, 2019
3,561
environments look really good, characters and animations still look very rough
 

Ashok

Member
Jan 24, 2019
510
Best usage of music in a trailer in a LONG TIMEEEEEEEEEE! DANKE SCHOEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Sleepwalker

Member
Oct 29, 2017
473
I can guarantee you that they won't do this. Even the original was very spartan on how much you could interact with the world.
Yeah, after hearing so much about Bloodlines 1 being an immersive sim, I played the game and... it's not that much of an immersive sim at all? All of the diverging choices are pre-baked sequences made by the developers, there is barely any interaction with the world to allow you to do your own thing like in Deus Ex. It's a fantastic game, but it put far more cards into its story rather than allowing the player to freely interact with the game's systems to make their own way through the world.
 

More_Badass

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Oct 25, 2017
23,641
Very unhyped for this game. Out of the all the ways you could hype vampire gameplay and the dialogue that the original was known for, you decide to show... alleyway brawls? Meh? The animations are definitely budget (and that's totally ok), but maybe focus on your strengths in your trailers. It's probably because the trailer is for mass market consumption, but I guess none of the media for this game has sold me on the original VtM:B tenets.
That has always been the case with games that aren't combat focused in the traditional way. See Prey being marketed as an alien shooter or Hitman Blood Money trailers being gunfight heavy
 

Gundam

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
12,801
Animations looked... Really terrible? Like I don't usually care that much about animations - I'm one of those people that was never particularly bothered with NRS animations, but this looks really rough. Kind of surprised with the direction it's gone in? I've limited experience with the first game but it seems there's been a shift in art style
 

darkslayer101

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,178
man those "happy music but dark imagery" trailers are so overplayed.
also the trailer felt too much like it was trying to be fallout or outer worlds or something. i don't know like "look guys we're vampires and we do dark stuff but we're also kinda wacky lol"



bloodlines had a completly different tone
My thoughts exactly.
Now its a little early to tell but going by all the footage shown, they are missing the tone and the atmosphere has yet to hit the first bloodlines level.
The ost so far is a all over the place granted we haven't seen much and tbh the first VtMB was a perfect product of its time. I am very cautiously optimisitc about this game considering they went full fps this time around, which can be a hit or miss.

Not to mention folks bringing up bioshock and dishonored as comparisons is quite worrying as the game should be nothing like them. As mentioned the vampires shown are just plain jane look sans the main chic but hope there is more to it.

Also the first reveal CGI trailer hit the nail on the tone... hope its translates well to the full game
 
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Crossing Eden

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Oct 26, 2017
53,535
Looks poor IMO, especially the animations compared to the original 2004 game
Fulfill the meme, reinstall the first game and get back to us after making this post.

The faces look like they were posed in Garry's Mod.
We're talking about keyframed animation using models intended for an RPG that will have the vast majority of it's facial animation made using procedural methods, aka, not the type of stuff you'd see in a game like Injustice. Graphics discussion should be relative.

Point of reference for games like this are titles like the Outer Worlds.
 

heathen earth

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Mar 21, 2020
2,007
Looks pretty rad to me, but as my avatar may indicate, I'm the furthest thing from objective here. That little scene with the "puppets" is exactly the sort of thing a low humanity Kindred would do for amusement. As for the gameplay itself? I think it looks fine, but I don't feel the moment-to-moment gameplay in the first game was really all that great, so my expectations aren't very high. Mostly I'm just happy to see more being done with this amazing world, my favorite in all fiction.
 

Iwao

Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,834
Sometimes you can tell when a trailer is dressing up the game to be more polished than it actually is. This looks rough around the edges, but I like how it looks and plays.
 

s0l0kill

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
856
Game looks good (gameplay wise, graphics aren't the best) but the trailer was so cringe to me, made me want to stop watching it lol
 

Kinsei

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
20,601
Looking good.

It's only natural they wouldn;t show deep dives into the RPG elements in trailers that appear in events like Inside Xbox. That's gonna be saved for gameplay demos targeted on those of us already on board.
 

Sleepwalker

Member
Oct 29, 2017
473
My thoughts exactly.
Now its a little early to tell but going by all the footage shown, they are missing the tone and the atmosphere has yet to hit the first bloodlines level.
The ost so far is a hit or miss granted we haven't seen much and tbh the first VtMB was a perfect product of its time. I am very cautiously optimisitc about this game considering they went full fps this time around, which can be a hit or miss.

Not to mention folks bringing up bioshock and dishonored as comparisons is quite worrying as the game should be nothing like them. As mentioned the vampires shown are just plain jane look sans the main chic but hope there is more to it.
How are you getting that the game is going "full fps"? Even the trailer in your quote basically showed tits and people getting murdered and Bloodlines 1 certainly wasn't a murder porn game lol. It would make 0 sense for them to revive a dead IP only to change the most beloved thing about it, AKA the narrative. Not to mention that prior to this trailer you can easily find a bunch of interviews where the people behind the game talk at length about the importance of building your character and how they're making sure the branching narrative is their #1 priority. They aren't making an fps.

EDIT: oops, you were talking about how the lack of a toggle between first/third person, my bad. Still the third person mode was basically only for combat which is definitely not Bloodlines 1's strong suit so I doubt there's anything to lose with them keeping it firmly in first person now.
 
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Oct 25, 2017
19,165
How are you getting that the game is going "full fps"? Even the trailer in your quote basically showed tits and people getting murdered and Bloodlines 1 certainly wasn't a murder porn game lol. It would make 0 sense for them to revive a dead IP only to change the most beloved thing about it, AKA the narrative. Not to mention that prior to this trailer you can easily find a bunch of interviews where the people behind the game talk at length about the importance of building your character and how they're making sure the branching narrative is their #1 priority. They aren't making an fps.
I'm pretty sure they're talking about the fact that you can't just with switch to third person when you want to, there are specific animations like scaling walls and I think some unique kill animations that switch to third person but otherwise you are in first person at all times.
*If I recall correctly*

But the first game would force you out of third person in specific situations so I can't say I personally care all that much.
 

Mentalist

Member
Mar 14, 2019
18,174
How are you getting that the game is going "full fps"? Even the trailer in your quote basically showed tits and people getting murdered and Bloodlines 1 certainly wasn't a murder porn game lol. It would make 0 sense for them to revive a dead IP only to change the most beloved thing about it, AKA the narrative. Not to mention that prior to this trailer you can easily find a bunch of interviews where the people behind the game talk at length about the importance of building your character and how they're making sure the branching narrative is their #1 priority. They aren't making an fps.
They probably meant the fact that there's no third-person camera optoin anymore, aside from specific animations (dodging, mantling, some powers).

90% of the gameplay will be in first-preson. It's still very much an RPG though.
 

smocaine

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Oct 30, 2019
2,027
Fulfill the meme, reinstall the first game and get back to us after making this post.


We're talking about keyframed animation using models intended for an RPG that will have the vast majority of it's facial animation made using procedural methods, aka, not the type of stuff you'd see in a game like Injustice. Graphics discussion should be relative.

Point of reference for games like this are titles like the Outer Worlds.

I'm replaying it right now you donkey.

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I was mainly referring to these scenes in their 'gmod-ness'. Considering this character is feature prominently in promotional and box art... Also I never compared it to Injustice or the like? Notice how I said 'compared to the original 2004 game'? 16 years later, and this is what they've got to show for it?

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