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VectorPrime

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Who the fuck could have possibly expected Kerry to endorse Bernie? I could understand Warren fans maybe being disappointed.
 

JesseEwiak

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Honest question: Could a Democratic controlled house and Senate change these terms to less than lifetime to kind of course correct this bullshit?

The easiest thing to do is expand the federal courts, and thankfully, there is a moderate-friendly argument the current crop of federal judges have too many cases.
 

Ac30

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I mean, the Speaker of the House was talking pay-as-you-go just recently, so I think it's just a thing that Democratic politicians say to voters who are really worried about spending money on blacks, browns, single mothers, etc., but who phrase it as "OH NOEZ, THE NATIONAL DEBT."

And I think Buttigieg is a total piece of shit and refuse to vote for him for POTUS (I live in WA, not FL or some other purple state, thank God, or I would), so that's not me letting off a favorite lightly.

The shitty thing isn't even pretending to give a shit about the debt, it's that he's painting his own party as the party that's unconcerned with the debt and legitimizing nonsense Republican attacks.

What a twat.
 

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God fuck the nyt

WASHINGTON — Speaker Nancy Pelosi lashed out in anger on Tuesday at a reporter who asked whether she hated President Trump, prompting Mr. Trump to accuse her of having "a nervous fit."
 

Blader

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I mean, the Speaker of the House was talking pay-as-you-go just recently, so I think it's just a thing that Democratic politicians say to voters who are really worried about spending money on blacks, browns, single mothers, etc., but who phrase it as "OH NOEZ, THE NATIONAL DEBT."

And I think Buttigieg is a total piece of shit and refuse to vote for him for POTUS (I live in WA, not FL or some other purple state, thank God, or I would), so that's not me letting off a favorite lightly.
never mind Pelosi, the last two Democratic presidents fixated much of their economic policies around deficit reduction.
 

dabig2

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The shitty thing isn't even pretending to give a shit about the debt, it's that he's painting his own party as the party that's unconcerned with the debt and legitimizing nonsense Republican attacks.

What a twat.

Booty is running like it's 1996. And hilariously enough he throws Obama and Clinton over the cliff while giving cover to people like Reagan, Dubya, and Trump by framing it like that.

What a fucking piece of shit.
 

KtotheRoc

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Dear Mayor Pete, the Republicans are never going to fucking like you, signed a Democratic Voter.
 

Chaos Legion

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God fuck the nyt

WASHINGTON — Speaker Nancy Pelosi lashed out in anger on Tuesday at a reporter who asked whether she hated President Trump, prompting Mr. Trump to accuse her of having "a nervous fit."
I can't tell if the NYT is a piece of shit on purpose, or are just really ignorant to how their attempt to be objective is beneficial to Trump.
 

Blader

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There is something equally hilarious and pathetic about Boris Johnson of all people dunking on Trump at the NATO summit.

Pete needs to quit with this BS before he destroys his future electability.
I mean he lives in Indiana and most Democrats like the bringing both sides together harmony bullshit anyway, so.
 

Kusagari

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The guy who a couple months ago was saying, "They're going to call us socialists no matter what we do" sure does see fit to give credence to every bullshit GOP talking point now.
 

Damisa

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Are we really going to take the stance in here that worrying about the deficit is bad?

Because if you have that stance then I don't want to hear you complain about Republican tax cuts or over spending on the military.

We can just cut taxes to zero and fund all social programs using trillion dollar coins right?
 

TheAbsolution

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Are we really going to take the stance in here that worrying about the deficit is bad?

Because if you have that stance then I don't want to hear you complain about Republican tax cuts or over spending on the military.

We can just cut taxes to zero and fund all social programs using trillion dollar coins right?
It's not caring about the deficit that we're taking issue with, it's the fact that he's framing our own party as the one that's not concerned about it. That's fucking BS and plays right into how Republicans talk.
 

Kusagari

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Are we really going to take the stance in here that worrying about the deficit is bad?

Because if you have that stance then I don't want to hear you complain about Republican tax cuts or over spending on the military.

We can just cut taxes to zero and fund all social programs using trillion dollar coins right?

Pelosi brought back fucking PayGo. The way to respond to that is for Pete to say something like, "from my point of view the Democrats sure seem to care about the deficit more than the Republicans if you look at our actual actions."

Instead Pete just goes along with the GOP talking point and acts like it's legit. He does this all the time.
 

Blader

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Are we really going to take the stance in here that worrying about the deficit is bad?

Because if you have that stance then I don't want to hear you complain about Republican tax cuts or over spending on the military.

We can just cut taxes to zero and fund all social programs using trillion dollar coins right?
It's more that saying something like "My party's not known for worrying about the deficit or the debt too much" is factually untrue and plays into an old ass Republican talking point about how Democrats don't care about the deficit, when in fact Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, and Democratic congresses spanning those presidencies and in-between them have been imo overly concerned and self-limiting about the deficit.
 

Dahbomb

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Are we really going to take the stance in here that worrying about the deficit is bad?

Because if you have that stance then I don't want to hear you complain about Republican tax cuts or over spending on the military.

We can just cut taxes to zero and fund all social programs using trillion dollar coins right?
Deficit is not good but what is even worse is using the deficit as an argument for when it is politically convenient.

Like bailing out Wall Street with no consideration of the debt or tax cuts for the rich.

But then when it comes to paying for 9/11 first responder's health coverage... suddenly Rand Paul emerges and start talking about "THE DEFICIT!"

Don't claim yourself to be the party of fiscal responsibility and shit on the deficit to benefit the corporations.


In addition, Pete is being a little shit saying Democrats don't give a shit about the deficit when that is Pelosi's whole prerogative right now (pay as you go). Democrats care far more about the deficit than the Republicans, and I mean actually care unlike the Republicans who use it as a partisan tactic.
 

adam387

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It's not caring about the deficit that we're taking issue with, it's the fact that he's framing our own party as the one that's not concerned about it. That's fucking BS and plays right into how Republicans talk.

Okay, but that's not what he's doing here.

When an idiot voter tells you they're worried about stupid issue number 23 you have a brief window to engage with them. No matter how stupid their opinions are, provided they're not like racist or bigoted or whatever. So, what you do is acknowledge their issue is important, let them think you agree with them, then position how yourself as the best one to address this. That's exactly what Pete is doing. He's validating her concerns about the deficit by leaning into a critique leveled against us. Also he says the party isn't known for it, which is factually true.

I am the first person to get pissy when a supposed candidate for our parties nomination has a history of attacking the party he wants to lead. Believe me. If people want to make the primary a referendum on who has attacked Democrats the most, I am very happy to have that conversation,. With receipts.

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PantherLotus

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I see your point but think it's overly dismissive of how stupid it is to concede conservative talking points (that aren't even true!) and is yet another example of how Pete is exactly what the left thinks Biden will be.
 

Dahbomb

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Okay, but that's not what he's doing here.

When an idiot voter tells you they're worried about stupid issue number 23 you have a brief window to engage with them. No matter how stupid their opinions are, provided they're not like racist or bigoted or whatever. So, what you do is acknowledge their issue is important, let them think you agree with them, then position how yourself as the best one to address this. That's exactly what Pete is doing. He's validating her concerns about the deficit by leaning into a critique leveled against us. Also he says the party isn't known for it, which is factually true.

I am the first person to get pissy when a supposed candidate for our parties nomination has a history of attacking the party he wants to lead. Believe me. If people want to make the primary a referendum on who has attacked Democrats the most, I am very happy to have that conversation,. With receipts.

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This is going way out of your element to defend something that is fairly indefensible. Democratic party isn't "known" for caring about the deficit but they aren't known for disregarding the deficit either ESPECIALLY in the past 20+ years. It's misleading and disingenuous which is exactly on brand of Buttiegeg (and thus the warranted hate he is getting for it). It is also feeding into Republican talking points... you could easily transplant this with a Republican saying what he said and no one would know the difference.

I am sorry but I am going to call out the bull shit and say that if Sanders had said this you would be the first person to be calling him out.
 

adam387

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I see your point but think it's overly dismissive of how stupid it is to concede conservative talking points (that aren't even true!) and is yet another example of how Pete is exactly what the left thinks Biden will be.
Sure, but you have a tiny narrow window to engage with these idiots. (And most voters in this country are complete and total morons, and I include myself in that.) Any attempt to educate a voter on why their question is incorrect or incorrectly framed is going to make it look like you're dismissing. He's just trying to tell this person that he's on their side over the rest of the field. Like, he could have gone candidate by candidate, or even selected one candidate in particular to single out about paying for their programs, but that would have gone over as well as this...cause we all know which candidate he'd have gone after. (:cough its the one who promised 30 trillion magical dollars cough :

I am sorry but I am going to call out the bull shit and say that if Sanders had said this you would be the first person to be calling him out.

For this? No. Well, only in that it would have been hilarious for Bernie to accuse someone of not being concerned about the deficit. Now a lot of the other times he's attacked the party? Sure. This isn't even close to an attack on the party.
 

Kaitos

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The deficit stuff is another example of why Pete is truly unfit to be the Democratic nominee and is frankly disqualifying. He'd be a disaster of a president.
 

Dahbomb

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Candidates need to be better in general at responding to conspiracy theories and blatantly false/misleading anecdotes no matter where it comes from. It's an increasing reality in the political climate and last thing you want to do is validate the right.

"I heard that Nancy Pelosi actually really, really hates Trump and has wanted to impeach him for the start. If you are president would you remove Pelosi from office or ask her to step down?" - Dumb 2020 voter.

You gotta have a better answer to that than saying "yes I know Pelosi does not really like Trump but..." Like come the fuck on.
 
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