Can't get much worse anyway so why not let corbynists to their thing and have a moderate labour party for the rest?
Even moving under his own steam wouldn't have worked considering the guy is hated. He should've stepped back and let someone that appeals to more voters takeover (i doubt they would have won but imo there would've been a decent chance for a better result by someone like starmer).
No offense because i know you're corbyn supporter but can't you see that the current labour party doesn't have what it takes to win a election? The last 2 two goverments were the worst ever and a halfway decent opposition would've wiped the floor with them.
I'm arguing that even if it goes shit it'll be used against him simply because they'll think he'll go against the will of the people. The overton window has shifted so much it's it'll no longer be a feasible mainstream position whether or not Brexit is a good idea more a question will brexit go as well as it should have. Anyone that's seen as still arguing the former will be smeared as a remainer wanting to reverse brexit to hell and back. Plenty of Northerners already don't trust Labour so their brexit position has to be faultless if they wish to make any sort of headway.
The SNP is the perfect example of what the labour party (and pretty much any social democrat party on the continent) should be. If labour turns into englands SNP that would be the best solution. Drop the democratic socialist policies, don't go back to the blair days and get someone good at his job and the world looks a lot better for labour.For everyone talking about how the left is dead, I'll once again post the Scottish GE map
The SNP had to fight the long battle and eventually the floodgates opened when the public had had enough of Labour Centrism/Blair/Brown and business as usual at Westminster.
Will that happen for England? Fuck knows, it's not looking likely just now, but just steamrolling right into "We need Blairism back" at a time when the Union could end and you are on your own seems short-sighted.
One of the unifying things about the SNP right now is all the MPs move in the same direction, fight for the same things and make that message clear to the public. English Labour is like the hunger-games where everyone in the party has a weapon and it's their duty to kill everyone else, undermine leadership and behave like a pack of predators.
That doesn't respond to anything in my post and sounds like the same buzzwords you have posted since the election.
That ain't going to work, there's too many "middle class" and the people that would traditionally support socialism like their anti-immigration racism too much whereas the people that actually voted for them this election tended to be the most diverse/least racists. It's a dead end. A compromise is needed. Not even Boris Johnson was stupid enough to market himself as fascist or far right even if he was.
Which Democratic Socialist policies would you want them to drop?
See? You're doing it again or do you view the SNP as centrist? If so i'll gladly be one.
Nationalization would be the first thing i'd look at. I'm all for imposing tighter rules on companies but the state shouldn't outright takeover free companies.
So you don't want them to be like the SNP then?
Natural monopolies and public utilities should absolutely be nationalised. British rail privatisation is younger than most posters here but so many treat it as the natural order of things. And tends to have good public support.
Just because i like the SNP it doesn't mean i support everything they do.Also i'm talking about non essential stuff like internet and railways.
Calling internet and public transport "inessential" really just shows you've never been poor tbh.
I agree tbh. Although I get their logic? The biggest argument the right have against left wing policies is "how are you going to pay for" especially after a decade of a right wing government crippling the economy as right wing governments tend to do. I can see the argument for "here's everything we're gonna do and it's fully costed" as a counter to that.
I'm just eyeballing it, but it looks fine to me.
