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Supreme Court Appears Poised to Roll Back Abortion Rights in US
- Thread starter Poetic Injustice
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Variations of "This is all their fault, fuck em" is not basic criticism
Lol this really is the standard that people hold the dems to.
And don't think they'll stop there.
Somehow, it's not even that a credibly-accused rapist can control the bodily autonomy of American women -- it's how the most vapid, narcissistic, sociopathic wannabe autocrat in modern history will have his stench over decades of judicial and legal decisions -- and, by association, the degradation of civil/humans rights -- in spite of that fact he attempted to overthrow democracy. I know it obviously didn't start with Trump, but even so, I cannot fucking believe I'm going to lay witness to decades' worth of progress being rolled back for the sake of a racist theocracy. Fuck everything.
Somehow, it's not even that a credibly-accused rapist can control the bodily autonomy of American women -- it's how the most vapid, narcissistic, sociopathic wannabe autocrat in modern history will have his stench over decades of judicial and legal decisions -- and, by association, the degradation of civil/humans rights -- in spite of that fact he attempted to overthrow democracy. I know it obviously didn't start with Trump, but even so, I cannot fucking believe I'm going to lay witness to decades' worth of progress being rolled back for the sake of a racist theocracy. Fuck everything.
If you completely ignore the fact that we don't have the votes to do what you are suggesting but sure.
If you want to go back further, the die was cast as soon as the semi-direct election of presidential candidates via partisan electors was allowed (in something like 1812) as it allowed for party control. Many of the founders were leery of the Torries as a concept.
I love how Republicans can do absolutely nothing and get no blame, yet the Democratic Party (which is really just a few who opposed measures) take all the blame. Like Republicans are accepted as just being obstructionists to the point them being half of the Senate and doing nothing is practically ignored
I hope you find some because that's where it's most needed. Living in a comfortable blue county and state, my participation in these kinds of things feels less impactful.
Once the ruling comes down, we should make a thread with actionable items, particularly for red states.
There is a big ass difference between basic criticism and trying to lay 100% of the blame at their feet. The dems deserve all kinds of criticism for the way that they've handled the last six or seven years, but this particular incident is not completely on them.
Pretending that it is all their fault and completely ignoring the fact that all of this comes about because of the way that the Republicans have handled the last six or seven years like some people already seem to be doing on here and on social media is not only ridiculous but plain dishonest.
Operating within idealized norms is a fool's errand when you're up against the GOP. And this is not analogous to what Trump was doing with the DoJ. An actual crime was committed against the American people and it should be investigated. It wasn't because most powerful people are insulated against the law. That is a violation of constitutional bounds, not enforcing laws that were made to protect people.
Forgetting that while Manchin deserves a lot of blame, he isn't wrong in that the Ds have been harmed by messing with the filibuster. McConnell is a master at baiting his opponents into changing the rules a little bit then nailing them with the rules.
The counter to that is to pass large scale voting rights laws at the same time as tweaking the filibuster, but you know. . . It took Kennedy's assassination and Johnson spending all of his political capital to get the 1963 VRA bill past.
I think this kind of shows proof that this method of protest isn't working. Not that I have any alternative ideas.
and don't forget
"Person votes third party or doesn't vote and Republican wins by slim majority. Republican cuts big program. Fuck democrats!"
If she were to be believed for one second she cares
she would have never put those fucks on the Supreme Court
I live in Texas too and don't see many, sadly. There are abortion funds in many areas that need funds or help finding patients due to our shitty abortion law.
I hope people take action. There's action people can take now.
Political discussion on era when it comes to the Democrats in a nutshell.
Do I get to say fuck the Democrats?
Because I canvassed for shitty Democratic centrist Harley Fucking Rouda in 2019 (better than Dana Rohrbacher ¯\_(ツ)_/¯) and knocked on doors for the Democrats and by extension Biden (better than Trump ¯\_(ツ)_/¯) last year and even this year knocked on doors for DSA candidates in local races.
Is that good enough to earn the right to criticize them?
Fuck the Democrats for being overall useless... And their leadership in particular...
I know people scoff at the idea, but a country wide walk out and protest of buying goods and working would bring these people to their knees as they watch their stocks falls. That's about the only thing we could do to get them to listen. Hit their wallets. I'd love to try something like this, but there are too many "I'm a Democrat.. wait hold on now let's not increase taxes *insert talking point about stifling innovation for job creators or whatever". Everything else has failed so far.
Yes, he is.
McConnell threw out plenty of other rules and norms without hesitation. He'd have thrown out the legislative filibuster in a heartbeat, if it hadn't already been done. So, Manchin is completely off base there.
This. We're dealing with a party that does not actually act in the best interests of the vulnerable of their own volition.
Chipping away at birth control, LGBQT+, and school integration (in the form of school choice, home schooling rights, and religious school rights) are next and will be done in parallel.
I also hope we can avoid complaining about "doomers" for once. For better or worse, Republicans tell you what they want to do.
I also hope we can avoid complaining about "doomers" for once. For better or worse, Republicans tell you what they want to do.
I'm not American but shouldn't the ire be reserved for the Republicans who have setting this up for decades? As well as obstructing, law breaking, inciting insurrection etc?
It would be awesome if Era users organized to raise money for these causes. We can do some good, if we commit to advocacy.
This year and next, I am focused on donations to Planned Parenthood and Abrams/Warnock.
How many supreme court justices have been seated since 2016?
How many of them were nominated by Trump?
That is why we are still talking about 2016.
You seem really happy with calling people "online communist LARPers" when many of them are active members of local political groups and actually do work...
Republicans and aspects of the media downplaying the stakes or misrepresenting things outright for ratings or appeasement.
Dems are taking it on the chin cause it's literally I told you so after a few decades of people saying this was something to get serious about.
I know republicans are rotten, what's the dems excuse at this point for cowardice on some issues.
I agree. I'm glad you're doing what you can.
I'm just a bit frustrated that many posters seem to think the fight ends with voting. It doesn't. It's not enough to just vote. A lot of discourse seems to be "It really sucks for the people this will impact. I'll vote in next election." What about affecting material change in the meantime? The people affected just have to sit around and wait for the next election for help?
This.
I'd wager most people here aren't doing work.
The human cost is and should always remain the focus, but if they really do overturn Roe, it's hard to overstate the damage that inflicts on the Supreme Court as an institution. Sotomayer was not being dramatic with her comments.
I don't think most people appreciate how many of our civil rights exist only because of Supreme Court cases. If they can take away this right, they can take away any right.
I don't think most people appreciate how many of our civil rights exist only because of Supreme Court cases. If they can take away this right, they can take away any right.
People probably scoff because all of last summer's white text on a black background PR statements show that companies are really good at bending to public outrage for just long enough that nothing really changes and that their market share isn't impacted.
The other issue is that of the 50-60% of Americans that make up the Democratic voting bloc, how many of them are actually angry enough to do any of that?
although i live in a democratic state, i am terrified for my future as a poc woman in this country
As bad as recent voter restriction policies have been, they have been proven to not work against a well motivated voting base.
It has proven my point that the regressive tactics of taking away rights, like certain voting rights, has for the most part backfired and caused disenfranchised voters to make greater efforts than they might have otherwise.
I'm optimistic on this because of that.
Democrats, for the most part, will be the ones running on getting womens constitutional rights to their body privacy back.
There might be some GOP women who run on that, but I doubt it. If they do, and they win, the message will be the same.
Oh, I see why you are so negative about this. You are already defeatist about "democrats never follow through" kind of mantra.
I'll be happy to go over all the progress made during the Biden/Dsenate/Dhouse run at the end. It's not nothing. It will be impressive.
All I can say is, this is a big deal. Won't be ignored. The theoretical threat of not being able to appoint liberal justices was harder to get motivatation than the actual, horrible results will do. It's unfortunate, but true, America only truly fights for progress and change when their backs are up against the wall and are presented with the most dire of consequences. The Trump presidency is the only reason the huge liberal social policies being enacted this year and the next happened. Reeling from horrible realities, thats when true progress comes in this country. People will be motivated to rectify this and nothing can stop it eventually bring it back in some form. The motivation is there. The voting numbers are there.
Except you didn't. Democrats hold the Senate with a weak majority and dipshits like Manchin and Sinema are constantly holding the rest of the party back, if there were 60 Dems in the Senate they would be in a better position to change things for the better and pass progressive policies.
It should, but here we are. And because of this kind of attitude it's one of the bigger reasons why the Republicans constantly and repeatedly tend to get away with all of their bullshit.
I disagree. People who didn't vote for Clinton need to take ownership and understand their personal culpability in what's happening right now. And then use that to make better choices going forward.
Yes, of course. But it's always fuck the Dems time here.
Some people seem to think this is gonna lead to a revolt against the GOP, and I just don't see it to be honest.
If anything, this is a gift to Trump in 2024. He's is gonna be able to really rev his hogs up about this.
If anything, this is a gift to Trump in 2024. He's is gonna be able to really rev his hogs up about this.
If you literally paint everything as that, then sure.
How do we repeatedly get into these situations, and what is our culpability in this happening repeatedly should be legitimate avenues for discussion. Trying to frame that as "you just hate the party and only want to blame them while ignoring the opposition" is just deflection.
I can say the Republican Party operates as depraved fascist hypocrites all I want, and they really fucking do, but at some point that does nothing for us. We know this. They know this. They don't care. A large population of America doesn't care.
When did I say they deserve all the blame? Again, deflection doesn't help us.
Look, I understand this is extremely aggravating, I really do. I understand that it can come off as a pointed attack while deliberately ignoring the opposition's truly heinous actions. But if the party doesn't have any leverage or control over their actions, we need to reexamine our end, and how our representatives are functioning as an opposition party.
All I can say is I'm extremely thankful I'm not American and my daughter's don't have to worry about ownership of their own bodies...you guys need another civil war or something to straighten that shit hole out.
I'm not talking about racism. I'm talking about backlash from Obama voters who felt betrayed by his aversion to union support, his failure to help the working class, his willingness to bail out banks and Wall Street over families, and his general shift away from being an outsider who wanted to change Washington, to being a business-as-usual centrist Dem.
You actually can't tell me that much. Painting opposition to Obama/support for Trump as "racism" is really only painting part of a picture, one that fits neatly into the binary that the opposition are Bad People and you/voters like you are Good People.
Liberals, and particularly Era, like to paint all Trump voters as white mouth-breathing racists and sure, a lot of them did vote for Trump.
It's ridiculous (and dangerous, particularly if you believe in the power of electoralism) to ignore the reasons why voter apathy takes hold (hint: politicians breaking their promises lead to alienation from a system that continues to fail them) and insist that non-voters are idiots, or privileged white people, or mean nihilistic Leftists laughing from Twitter.
I voted for Hillary. The blind spots of her campaign are well-documented at this point. It's also plain to see why some Biden voters are also becoming apathetic. There's also plenty of research at this point that discusses the growth of non-white support (working class in particular) for Trump, as well as what is most important for those demographics when it comes to voting.
Okay.
I think the media is DEFINITELY downplaying the consequences of Roe being struck down by undercounting the number of women who'll be affected by these bans.
By my count, there are about 68 million women living in states where abortion is legal and unlikely to change, 80 million where it will be gone immediately or within a few months of the end of Roe, and another 17 million where their rights will be subject to a Republican governor taking office or some small changes to control of the state house (PA, NC, WI, MN). That means a substantial majority of American women will no longer have access to abortion in their states, and only ~41% (!!!) will have solid abortion rights in theirs.
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The media absolutely doesn't give a shit.
They'll be running pro arrest women for miscarriages op-eds asap.
Eh. "Fuck Republicans" is not useful in any way. Self-critique is more important than us just constantly saying "Republicans stink don't they?" "Yeah they totally do" on loop for eternity.
You know there's another option. Critiquing the role of those saying voting doesn't matter and voting third party in key races play in handing power to republicans. To me it's not a surprise that Sinema turned out the way she did. She behaves like she did because she was a green and ultimately they are directly tools of republicans or indirectly tools of republicans.
Well, if we're being honest, Jamaal Bowman has clearly already been influenced by Israel (DSA, which endorsed him, is currently figuring out what action to take since he voted to fund the Iron Dome and took trips to Israel) and Stacey Abrams is progressive in a lot of ways but has been cozy with the business world.
I do think it's important to distinguish between the Squad (even Bowman), and people like Abrams (who are amazing organizers, something the Democrats need) but it's hard to imagine anyone in the Democratic Party being truly immune from donor influences and corporate interests. There's a reason the Squad is a superminority.
I love Cori Bush, though.
It lays the majority of the blame where it belongs. Constantly shitting on the Democrats for the things that the Republicans are doing doesn't serve any purpose at all.
Sure it will.
Not by hardcore conservative voters, but voters motivated to vote for people who talk about reinstating constitutional rights.
I don't think you realize how many white surburban women in red states care about womens rights.
How is this clear? They haven't had to think about Roe vs Wade since the 70's.
Because it's perceived to be a temporary problem. Most people expect it to not stand for very long. Stripping away a constitutional right that has been around for 50 years after taking 90 years to enact is a symbolic neon sign you can't ignore. It will be treated differently than a slow, innocuous chipping away of rights.
The majority of the country supports Roe vs Wade. That alone tells me it will inevitably be re enacted in some form if stripped away.
You are worried too much about the Senate right now (I don't blame you, it's been laborious to watch this year so far). It's things like what's going on in the Supreme Court right now and the voting rights being stripped away through state legislation…that will correct the Senate. I know it doesn't seem like it right this second, but it will. I'm betting the filibuster will be amended in some way before the election next year.
If Roe is overturned next Summer, the result will be Dems gaining Senate seats and not losing the House. You watch.
Something as big as this, it will be forced to be done through legislation. It will happen though. Like I said, it will take years, but people won't let it go. If abortion becomes fully illegal in half the states, that won't last. It won't take 10 years
I'm mainly saying that the election that solidified McConnel as Senate Leader during that period was also pivotal. The fact that we treat a single presidential election as a nexus point instead of a capstone to a long term strategy probably contributes to why people complain that a single Democrat win dosen't magically fix things.