I doubt they comment until it's actually overturned. If anything, Manchin will say some bullshit about believing Republicans will honor the precedent of the law and won't overturn it, Sinema probably didn't even keep up to date on this. She's probably planning her wine tasting tour in Europe for the weekend as we speak.
Supreme Court Appears Poised to Roll Back Abortion Rights in US
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EDIT: Good job excelsiorlef . I was about to say that.
Also, I can't believe someone had the gall to say the Democratic Party has been "bad since the 60s" without acknowledging the law in the 60s that completely changed US politics as we know it. Please tell me that was sarcasm.
To me, there are a bunch of left and center leaning people too prideful to admit they fucked up in 2016 and/or 2010, and it's a big reason why we are in this situation today.
Those are probably the types who were saying the Supreme Court didn't matter in 2016 and see excelsiorlief's posting of a response in that Twitter thread. It's blatantly misleading.
In the 60s Democrats found courage and stood up to fight for the civil rights of all Americans. They sent in federal troops to regressive states on several occasions to enforce those rights. It forever changed the political map of this country, and unless they find that courage again all of that progress could be lost.
Why do I know that when it comes time, all the conservative justices will have no problem completely dropping this objectivity.yeah I literally went on a Google search and saw this article on why Breyer is not likely to retire. Supreme Court justices retiring at an opportune time for the political party that appointed them would be politically motivated when judges should be objective. Also, because they're "objective" and have life time appointments, they have nothing to gain from it so to speak.
Why Justice Breyer May Resist Calls for His Retirement (Published 2021)
In a recent speech on “the peril of politics,” Justice Stephen G. Breyer said judges must renounce loyalty to “the political party that helped to secure their appointment.”www.nytimes.com
Ain't that some shit.
they were punished by declining votes in majority white and rural areas.
Democrats haven't won the white vote in over half a century btw
Just you know to make that clear.
And to shine a light on you know the actual problem
And no the actual problem isn't that the Democrats don't try hard enough to win that voting demographic... in case someone wants to give me a weird reply
Just you know to make that clear.
And to shine a light on you know the actual problem
And no the actual problem isn't that the Democrats don't try hard enough to win that voting demographic... in case someone wants to give me a weird reply
The US is less white than it has ever been before. The time to stand up for the rights of all Americans (and not just the white ones) is now.
If Manchin tries to say that shit I'd love for someone to actually respond instantly and ask how he can say that when some GOP ran states have laws in place that kick in the moment Roe vs Wade is overturned to take rights away from women......you can't say they'll honour the precedent when they've already had laws on the books that drop it the moment they've been told by the SCOTUS they can do so......of course I expect that won't happen because America loves to show its ass on a worldwide stage repeatedly and publicly with stupid decisions.
Factions have never played nice when it mattered for various elections.
You're right, but it's not like the media is going to actually call out their blatant bullshit.
For states like Wisconsin, North Carolina, Arizona, and yes, even Pennsylvania & Michigan, it's already too late. Without federal supremacy laws, the GOP is insulating their legislative advantages from democratic oversight. Dems can't pass laws in these states unless they win 60/40 or better.
And even if Dems pass local and federal laws, they now face a hostile court for the next 20 years at least. Gaming the system doesn't work.
Honestly this thread is so embarrassing that I have to believe a portion (potentially a significant portion) doesn't really care about abortion just that it can be used to justify their political nihilism and antipathy for the Democrats
And yet the structure of voting system disproportionately benefits white voters, so the decline of Democratic support amongst whites has made it extremely difficult for them to control the Senate, in particular.
Basically. Just people using this low to get their high and others using it as a really inappropriate political "I told you so!"
Fuck out of here. She and schumer threw omar under the bus when bullshit claims of being antisemitic were thrown at her.🤨
Pelosi denounces faith-based attacks on Omar as 'indecent' and 'dangerous'
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Wednesday that GOP Rep. Lauren Boebert's faith-based attacks on Democratic Rep. Ilhan Omar, who is Muslim, are "indecent" and "dangerous."abcnews.go.com
This only works assuming Democrats retain the Federal government.
A Republican President would take by force if necessary. We've already seen that happen with Trump. They have no qualms about stealing from blue states and giving to red states.
Everyone who was paying the fuck attention told you 2016 was an existential election
But people got super precious, and the media abandoned what little propriety they had left and went all in on fucking emails.
So here we are, but please do justify your future political antipathy by screaming fuck the Democrats or whatever to make yourself feel high horsey in the quicksand pits
But people got super precious, and the media abandoned what little propriety they had left and went all in on fucking emails.
So here we are, but please do justify your future political antipathy by screaming fuck the Democrats or whatever to make yourself feel high horsey in the quicksand pits
Enough people have quoted this but I'm gonna do it again because it can't be overstated how much of a failure it is of the democratic party that we're at the cusp of row being overturned.
Conservatives are definitely going to go after Plan B and contraceptives next, after that might finally fully gut VRA.
Lifetime appointments for federal court judges was a mistake. Judges should have limited and staggered terms, where one is nominated to the Court every other year, the newest one replacing the longest-served one. The Senate should be given a time limit to confirm a nominee, and failure to confirm any nominee after a certain time should result in the decision being sent to the House, and they can't confirm any one of the nominees, then the President would simply get their preferred pick. Vacancies should be filled by a lottery system where a random judge from an inferior court fills the empty spot. And that's the least we could do, because honestly at this point our entire Presidential/federal system of government is utterly broken and needs to be replaced.
Also, thanks for recognizing left-leaning voters as part of the problem. Had all the ones that stayed home or voted third-party instead voted for Hillary, we wouldn't be having this conversation. It was like we forgot the key lesson of the 2000 election: Bush v. Gore was only the proximate cause of Bush winning, while the ultimate cause was disaffected progressives that decided to vote Nader instead of Gore. Hillary was a shit candidate, but I still voted for her because I care more about defeating Republicans than I do about some stupid litmus test.
Don't forget the evil turtle himself, Mitch McConnell, for the Merrick Garland debacle (though if Garland did get on the bench, we'd still have a 5-4 conservative majority). With him as Senate GOP leader, they've basically made it to where no Democrat will ever get a SCotUS nomination confirmed as long as the Republicans control the Senate. Some of them indicated that even if Hillary won, they would have denied any of her nominations if they retained control of the Senate, effectively leaving Scalia's seat empty. Meanwhile, they made it clear that the supposed "principle" of not confirming judges in an election year was a load of horseshit since they fast-tracked Barrett after RBG died.
Also, thanks for recognizing left-leaning voters as part of the problem. Had all the ones that stayed home or voted third-party instead voted for Hillary, we wouldn't be having this conversation. It was like we forgot the key lesson of the 2000 election: Bush v. Gore was only the proximate cause of Bush winning, while the ultimate cause was disaffected progressives that decided to vote Nader instead of Gore. Hillary was a shit candidate, but I still voted for her because I care more about defeating Republicans than I do about some stupid litmus test.
From that they lost the south for decades.
They Democrats still fight for civil rights - my rights as a trans person now are far better than they were 10, 20, or 30 years ago. That's no thanks to conservatives.
Yea it's a whole bunch of text to not try to absolve third party voters and non-voters of their responsibility to be informed and make decisions based on potential outcomes.
I have shadow of a hope that if the SCOTUS is corrupt enough to overturn RvW that the backlash is strong enough that it completely trashes the Republicans in the upcoming elections.
But it is not a strong hope.
But it is not a strong hope.
Keep that hope alive, and more importantly, support orgs that believe in the same and want to make that happen.
The fighters and dreamers make things happen on the local level. And the Dems need that fire if any pushback can happen.
Feel how you want to now, but get ready to fight for 2022 and 24. That's my plan. Not willing to let shit like this slide.
I will abandon it later. I gotta get through the day somehow.
And they're literally dying out, see the 2020 census for yourself if you doubt that.
The conservative movement isn't as strong as they seem to be and the opposition isn't as weak as its leaders make it seem. The party just needs its figureheads to be willing and able to take it to red states that are fucking over their citizens. They did it in the 60's when the political ramifications were much worse than they are now. What's the excuse for failing to act now?
Play hard ball and be serious about ruining the lives of people like Manchin and Sinema and pass federal laws to protect women's reproductive rights.
I know it's not really an exact science, but the fact this shit is only trending at #22 on Twitter right now is really depressing me.
I feel like even just possibility of this happening should have it at #1 with people in the streets.
I feel like even just possibility of this happening should have it at #1 with people in the streets.
Uh, the red states booted them out for the President codifying civil rights for non-whites.
I've seen self-identified leftists on this site argue for nihilism/accelerationism so many times, it's shocking. Their arguments always conveniently ignore the incredible harm that would do to women's rights. It's barely an afterthought.
Eventually I came to realize this is a very male-dominated space, and women's bodily autonomy is not a tangible priority or concern for most of the posters who repeat this "burn it all down" self-defeating approach.
People don't want to admit fault for ignoring those of us who told them what was at stake in November 2016. So, we have to be the bad people still.
The majority may be against overturning Roe but that doesn't mean they are passionate enough to hit the streets. Even when it it's struck down a lot of so called progressives will just say, "That's messed up!" and move on with their day.
Don't forget Amy Comey Barret supporting that group in Indiana that wanted to criminalize discarding frozen or unused embryos for IVF treatment. I'd guess they would go after that soon, too.
So what will change then? The same racist white people will continue to not vote for them?
People respond to decisive action, not the promise of it. If Biden finds the courage to act people all over the country will rally to him. Become LBJ 2.0 and be remembered as one of our greatest leaders or continue to go along to get along and consign many Americans to an increasingly impoverished life.
Probably, but when there are names and faces who have had their lives lost or irreparably damaged, I believe people will start to actually take notice.
Even if they'll need to be attractive white girls.
Even though it shouldn't have to happen.
This will be an absolute loss. An absolute tragedy. It won't be one we can't recover from, as far away as that might seem, and as awful as it is to know that it's likely going to take tragedy before that recovery can happen.
But I firmly believe that enough people will not turn a blind eye to the dying.
This. A certain portion of people will pearl clutch, attack the Dems, and maybe put something in their Twitter Bio and then move on.
Wash rinse repeat on the next big issue they "care" about.
I don't really see it as that different from libertarian thinking which is also male-dominated. Ultimately it requires a shit-load of privilege to think a burn-it-all down, anachronistic, lack of governance society would benefit anyone other than the already privileged.
