Sure, but don't ignore the power of an alt. They're even more insidious because you can feel them around you but can't see them.
So has anything new come out about how this movie was put together?
Sheev summoned the most impressive armada ever out of his back pocket or something and it did fuckall.Sheev is waaaaaaaaaaay stronger than Snoke. His power is maximum
It was Sheev's will that got that shit done
'Sheev's will' is a load of nonsense that means less than nothing.
'Sheev's will' is a load of nonsense that means less than nothing.
Best boy Snoke was clearly his own person with his own will, see his entire character and actions in TLJ, and to argue otherwise is to paint Sheev as even more ineffective than he already is portrayed as.
Or, you know, TROS was made by idiots.
TROS Sheev wishes he had half the personality that this dude had. And so do I.
Snoke was fine in TLJ and he was perfectly killed off. Sheev was garbage in TROS. He was brought back but with zero personality.
Visually it's the coolest the character has ever looked and sounded on screen. Compiled with the creepy sith cult chanting and the performance, it reminded me of Mola Ram in Temple of Doom.
1) I couldn't see shit.
2) He sounded tired and done, not at all the performance I expected from such a great actor. But hey, he can only work with what he's given and what he was given was crap.
I don't watch Palpatine for "the little stuff." He's fucking Palpatine. If the ham isn't at 11 then you've written him wrong. All that nonsense is not match for:
"Young fool...only now at the end do you understand."
or
"I am the Senate."
I would have liked more ham too!
But TROS Sheev was the most scariest he's ever been, and I guess that's what JJ was going for. And we did get a few classic Sheev tomfoolery here and there when he rejuvenates.
I would have liked more ham too!
But TROS Sheev was the most scariest he's ever been, and I guess that's what JJ was going for. And we did get a few classic Sheev tomfoolery here and there when he rejuvenates.
I still have NO FUCKING CLUE what Sheev's plan was besides "kill Rebels."
I'm not one to give it to the prequels for any reason, but I think I can make an exception here because however bad the prequels were, Palpatine in them was an actual character who was enacting a plan that was original, atleast, in the context of Star Wars movies and thus Ian McDiarmid was able to emblue life, glorious, hammy life, into his role as Palpatine. It's a joke compared to the authentically sinister Emperor of the OT, but it is something.
But in TRoS, because everything in this goddamn movie has to be a recreation, he's just doing the Return of the Jedi scene again in slightly different circumstances after having been hurriedly and awkwardly shoved into the story again. So his biggest lines are just repeats of lines he said before.
The actor known for giving the most unique, bombastic performance in the triligy distinctly known for bland, flat acting can't give a single memorable scene or dialogue in Rise of Skywalker.
Wait...Palpatine actually is using a clone body in TROS?
That explanation doesn't really work for me because what's the difference then between Palpatine being killed in ROTJ and in TROS?
The spirits of the Sith hanging on to and keeping a literal corpse alive works so much better.
Someone should have used one of those new destroyers to nuke Exogol from orbitanyway i thought the whole thing was more or less self explanatory... oh surprise a sith planet with sith tech and a global population full of followers. and palps turns out to be the sith of all siths, or something. so a palps clone of kind of writes itself in there.
It is not so much that Snoke is particularly great(although upon rewatch he is a surprisingly well done character in TLJ) but rather Palpatine has been completely ruined and defanged across the entire saga. Veelk said it better than I would've, the Emperor in Jedi had menace, the prequel's Palpatine was lacking in that department but at least McDiarmid was having fun with the role, and in Skywalker all we have is Sheev, a lifeless copy of the original that has none of the virtues that the character had in any of his previous incarnations.
This is explained in the image aboveIf he was a clone why would he make his clone body so decrepit
Riri19911 said:I'll try and update as I listen: - So after Palpatine realises that Ben and Rey are the dyad, he reminisces about the time when he wanted to create a Dyad between himself and Anakin. Darth Plagueis also wanted a Dyad between himself and Palpatine. This is because the power of the Dyad is just so powerful, more so than any Rule of 2 concept. Except Palpatine and Plagueis obviously failed. Ben and Rey's Dyad is referred to "their power".
FINISHED.
- Leia doesn't want to make same mistake with Rey as she did with Ben, so wont send her away.
- Kylo says he wants to rule side by side with Rey when Palps orders him to kill her. Kylo had no intention of killing her. Kylo reconstructs his helmet because it's a KOR tradition or something to wear the helmet. Kylo has to scavenges the pieces.
- Kylo interrogates Chewie when he's taken captive. Kylo goes into Chewie's mind and Chewie is throwing memories at him. Han and Chewie when they're young, Han and Leia cuddling baby Ben, target practice with blaster, Ben used to call him "Uncle Chewie".
- Lando has a missing daughter. Lando finds a holo disc in a secret compartment on the Falcon, the holo is of Chewie holding baby Ben. Baby Ben is giggling and pulling on his fur.
- Rose and Rey scene. They're clearly very good friends. They hug.
- The reason why Leia's health is deteriorating so quickly is because when she got blown out of space in TLJ there was damage done to her body.
- Luke is speaking to Leia all throughout the book telling Leia it's "time[to go]" she resists the whole book. She thinks about Luke's last effort to save the resistance in Crait was his ultimate act of hope and sacrifice for Ben. Leia wants to talk to Ben one more time. Leia says something like "I'm Leia Organa Skywalker Solo" - she wants Rey to take up her Skywalker legacy, Ben to take up the Solo legacy, Poe to take up Organa legacy and with all her power she puts in her hope that this one last time will bring Ben back, and it does.
- Rey is already building her own lightsaber.
- There is so much Reylo in the book, when you get to the kiss, "gratitude" is used becus he just brought her back to life, but there is so much How they feel about each other, what they think about each other, feels like a straight up YA novel.
- Finn and Rey referred to as friends lots of times. Force sensitive Finn still not outright but heavily implied. Rey mindtricks Finn in Pasaana. Rey knows Kylo is coming and Finn doesn't want Rey to go, so Rey has to mindtrick him.
- Finn worried about Rey a lot. Says "They started their friendship saving each other". Rey says something like "Finn would have been a great Jedi" ( host paraphrasing)
- As part of his contingency, Palpatine prepared a clone before being yeeted down the shaft as he sensed the flicker of light within Vader. Before his body hit the ground he had learned to project his essence into one of the Clones. This was an imperfect clone. Palpatines son (Rey's father) is also a clone. The son is one of the clone projects of Palpatine, because they kept trying to make a body for Palps to contain his power. The son is a perfect bodied clone. Palpatine hated the son for being a failure as he had no Force abilities. Palpatine wanted Rey because she was... naturally conceived?
- There is also somthn about Plageuis trying to create a clone and failing or something. Lol Clone obsessed!
- in the book, they explain a lot more about force-healing; rey learns it from healing luke's kyber crystal; also, it is said that she would've given her whole self just to bring back kylo after she stabbed him. ben's thought process during that moment: it all clicks for him there, he understands that his mom, his dad and his uncle sacrificed themselves to help him and that rey would've done the same if she had to, and that's when he turns (or starts to seek redemption).
- Lando says the First Order specifically targeted the heroes of the rebellion & stole their children. His daughter was taken and as far as he was aware she was a stormtrooper (hinted it could be Jannah but not confirmed).Lando says they also corrupted Han and Leia's son as well.
The whole thing with Vader and Ani being "different people" is that it ends up being wrong. That's how it ends up working despite being a blatant retcon, Obi and Yoda completely gave up on Anakin and maybe also to emotionally protect themselves they went with the Vader killing Anakin rationalization. Luke doesn't buy that shit and is the only one in the galaxy who still believes in Anakin and knows it's all a fucking act. The payoff is the "return" of Anakin, cause he was never "killed" by Vader in the first place, they're the same damn person.I mean, it's stupid as fuck, and Reylo makes me throw up a little in my mouth every time I think about it, but to be fair, Star Wars was always a little ass backwards when it came to how easily it seems to forgive the atrocities of its "redeemed" heroes.
I mean, Obi-Wan had to asspull a certain point of view to reconcile lying to Luke about what happened to his Vader. His whole, "Vader ceased to be Anakin Skywalker" is a load of horseshit, but we're supposed to go with it, because if we didn't, Luke's whole arc in RotJ would fall apart. We all know he's still the same fucking dude!
Ben Solo and Kylo Ren are one in the same, just like Anakin/Vader. Star Wars has always been poor about holding its characters accountable for their actions. Which is why, for me, it was nice to RJ attempt a little bit of that with Poe in TLJ, even if he didn't go all the way with Poe receiving a true punishment for his actions, it was better than what we usually get from this series, which is Jack shit.
Rey is operating on Star Wars logic, so Ben ditching the Kylo Ren outfit and helping to defeat Palpatine was good enough for her. It's stupid as fuck, but it's not exactly unprecedented in this universe. 🤦🏽♂️
She was on the Jedi training programme, but Luke did not grant her the rank of Master.
What? How could he do that? That is outrageous, it's unfair. How can she be be on the jedi training program and not be a master?She was on the Jedi training programme, but Luke did not grant her the rank of Master.
It's just a behind the scenes photo.
His corpse wouldn't have survived his fall. The clone thing works only if this was the last clone. He apparently had many, including his "son"Wait...Palpatine actually is using a clone body in TROS?
That explanation doesn't really work for me because what's the difference then between Palpatine being killed in ROTJ and in TROS?
The spirits of the Sith hanging on to and keeping a literal corpse alive works so much better.