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Star Wars: The Last Jedi |OT3| The War is Just Beginning (Unmarked Spoilers)
- Thread starter Bronx-Man
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I would not be shocked if they do this in the comics now but find some way to make it problematic enough that it can't be commonly done. That or they'll just have the Empire start using Interdictors in every fleet to keep it from working.
Yeah... I mean unless they go full on Grey, except it's conveniently just basically Jedi without harsh repression of negative traits creating violent counter reactions... I mean I guess it's what they've been building towards in Rebels but we will see. There's also that vague 'something' 'beyond the outer rim' that sideous thought is the source of the Darkside or whatnot. I guess we'll see. I hope that they don't 'fix' the force or something so silly as that.
They're saving him for IX, gotta build to that Obi Wan Film (and he recorded some new dialog that was used in TFA FYI)
Micro jumps require ace pilots like Anakin or Han, and have only ever been attempted with small crafts.
Considering the tactic one hit killed like 5 ships I think it's fair to point out that this tactic would have been helpful in the past.
Why shoot a torpedo down a 5 meter hole when you can ram a capital ship through the Death Star's core at light speed
Nobody thought it through beyond "this would be a cool shot". Only marginally less ridiculous than the destruction of the Hosnian system being visible in real time all across the galaxy in TFA. It is what it is.
I don't get the mentality of actively trying to pick apart the logic of what you're watching. That's some cinemasins nonsense. Sure, if something is so egregious that it stands out, taking you out of the movie, then that's a problem. But, that's pretty clearly not what's happening here.
We don't shoot cars at people, we use missiles and I mean that 1 rebel ship was cost effective x100000 times over.
It actually made sense in that instance though and it's not as much of a plot hole as the Death Star going to Yavin 4.
All the Empire needed to do was destroy the rebel base on the moon. They could have sent a Star Destroyer to do that, or anything.
They didn't need to send the Death Star to do that especially when they knew that the Rebels had just acquired the Death Star plans. They knew the Alliance's goal was to destroy the Death Star and they brought the Death Star to them.
They sent the Death Star because the Empire was hilariously overconfident
Yavin 4 probably had shields to withstand orbital bombardment and Tarkin was riding high off the destruction of Alderaan.
So the same reason the First Order didn't need to call for reinforcements?
Tarkin didn't sound overly confidant when he said, "You're taking an awful risk, Vader. This had better work."
The real world explanation being, the Death Star going to Yavin was actually added in the editing room, after filming was complete, and it wasn't very well thought out.
You wouldn't be building a whole habitable ship though, you'd be wrecking everything cost effectively with just rocks or explosives strapped to a hyperdrive.
It's the same reason why people kind of raise eyebrows whenever StarTrek transports bombs into enemy ships. It's just not a good thing to show because it breaks the 'rules'.
Instead of disabling the tracking You could have had them disable the supremacy shields or the main reactor. Instead of the hyperspace you have good old fashioned sub light RAMMING SPEED on a point that you hammer relentlessly on your way in. That accomplishes the same thing without invalidating in universe acceptance of what is possible.
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I mean, any missile is basically an engine. Any weapon tech could be "better used" for something else.
The destruction of the Hosnian system visible in real time from Takodana was jarring and actually did take me out of the movie for a minute. The hyperspace ram wasn't as bad but definitely creates questions with regard to how hyperspace works. Definitely goes against Legends stuff, but not sure exactly what aspects of that made it to the new canon.
Big difference between evacuating when there's only one (or two?) rebel fighter left, and exposing the Death Star to an absolutely unnecessary risk, though.
Lol they can call Maz on her homeplanet but they didn't bother to call anyone else for reinforcements or help.
The hyperdrive thing in TLJ bugs me in a similar way that transwarp teleportation bugged me in Star Trek 2009. In both cases it was something used for a cool scene/moment that accidentally introduced an in-universe game changer. In Trek, they accidentally made conventional starship travel irrelevant. In TLJ they accidentally invent a new highly effective form of weaponry
They probably should've had the hyperspace ram do less damage than it did. It clearly did massive damage to that fleet when all it should've done was take out the main salvo weapon. But that wouldn't have looked as cool, and it also wouldn't have interrupted the throne fight, so they went with the fuck my shit up option. I don't think it's a big deal. The Star Wars universe is not forever changes.
Also like Khan blood.
The hyperdrive in TLJ bugs me way less than that, though, if it bugs me at all. The thing about the trans warp beaming was there were no negatives.
Concur.
Why people need to get so wound up about trying to quantify the reality of what is a popcorn sci-fi movie is beyond me.
I concur that it bugs me way less than those two Star Trek examples. I just used them as a basic comparison point
I was watching the DT crew discuss this and they said it best. For the worst-ever, best ever Star Wars some people are just being so damn critical of every little thing while others have to say it's the best one yet. It's okay to just say you didn't like it or thought it was aye.
Movie has plenty of problems to critique. The hyperspace scene seems like one of those that is nitpicking to find something wrong. It's the suicide bomb, pull the grenade as the enemy comes close, etc. That form in 100s of movies before... just in Star Wars version.
"Didn't do anything else to the fleet" is incorrect as it's extremely obvious during the shot that other ships besides the main one gets exploded too.
Even if that's all it did, the Supremacy is like 3 times bigger than a super star destroyer AND houses like 2 million people.
Even if there was like a single half dead star destroyer left, the resistance was going down no matter what. It's still a massive blow to the FO and impedes the larger war effort that is staged after this film.
Even if there was like a single half dead star destroyer left, the resistance was going down no matter what. It's still a massive blow to the FO and impedes the larger war effort that is staged after this film.
That moment absolutely took me out of the movie, though. As soon as it happened, all I could think about was how ridiculous it is that they wouldn't have used this to take out the Death Star. Or how stupid it is to even build a Death Star (or large ships in general) if this can be done.
No, no, it's actually quite obvious if you're paying attention, it's in the screen during the scene after all. Other ships besides Snoke's ship got gutted too.
The force that launched on the planet following the Rebels wasn't exactly big. That could have came from a single Star Destroyer, and they didn't even need a big force since they were literally hunting down like 12 people at that point
Dude, the heck, lol, it's clearly visible on the screen during the scene that other ships got destroyed too, you don't have to be so stubborn about something as clear as this.
You said before that it didn't do anything else to the fleet other than Snoke's ship (which is obviously wrong), not that it destroyed all their ships (which is obviously correct)
How is it nitpicking if it's something that is obviously shown on the screen, lol.
You said before "it didn't do anything else to the fleet" which is obviously wrong. I mean sheesh.
You said before "it didn't do anything else to the fleet" which is obviously wrong. I mean sheesh.