Tell me what Hari's documentary is about
How are you going to act like "oh well I'm not talking about him" when the THREAD IS ABOUT HIM
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Simpsons creator Matt Groening on Apu: 'People love to pretend they're offended'
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How are you going to act like "oh well I'm not talking about him" when the THREAD IS ABOUT HIM
Okay, you wanna know what outrage culture really is?
It's the most defenseless, downtrodden, and stepped on people who were denied a representative public voice for hundreds of years in this country until a little thing called the internet came along.
Outrage culture? That's all the POCs, minorities, victims of sexual assault and abuse who never had anywhere to go to be represented and lifted towards into the public eye as a concern for America as a whole.
Black men being gunned down in cold blood by police
Children being shot and killed in their own schools that they are mandated to be at
Women who were shoved aside by the old boys club
Minorities who had to sit and bear racism on television building the average white person perception of them. This perception also being a stereotype written and performed by white people.
Y'all want me to keep going out so you just want to keep willing we're all too outraged over here? Nah, people have a fucking voice now. Deal with it or get run over by time and progress.
It's the most defenseless, downtrodden, and stepped on people who were denied a representative public voice for hundreds of years in this country until a little thing called the internet came along.
Outrage culture? That's all the POCs, minorities, victims of sexual assault and abuse who never had anywhere to go to be represented and lifted towards into the public eye as a concern for America as a whole.
Black men being gunned down in cold blood by police
Children being shot and killed in their own schools that they are mandated to be at
Women who were shoved aside by the old boys club
Minorities who had to sit and bear racism on television building the average white person perception of them. This perception also being a stereotype written and performed by white people.
Y'all want me to keep going out so you just want to keep willing we're all too outraged over here? Nah, people have a fucking voice now. Deal with it or get run over by time and progress.
Honestly, I feel like if they completely ignored this, they'd be in a better place. Their responses are dumb.
Honestly the idea that some people present that stereotypes are essential for comedy somehow is pretty disgusting in its own right.
The secret is that any time you don't like people criticizing something, you can call it "outrage culture" and write it off as something you don't have to engage with enough to actually form an informed opinion on either way.
Everything is outrage culture and nothing is.
Maybe people just pay more attention when it's white people voicing disapproval.
I don't understand what that has to do with Hari Kondabolu and Apu.
Stop using something else to deflect from this situation and Matt Groening's hacky response to something specific.
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That makes it my truth, my experience.
Sorry but when most of the time I see some angry white middle class jerk trying to act offended for black people, asians, poor people etc.. I dont buy it.
Also to all the people who think that some of the white people who are "offended" by this out just pretending, it's a little thing called having empathy for your fellow human beings.
I don't know if some of you have tried it but it's a good thing to have.
I don't know if some of you have tried it but it's a good thing to have.
Not to mention that while some white middle class people are absolutely faking it, or at the very least highly hypocritical, the idea that no white person can have empathy for PoC (or other people in situations they aren't personally familiar with in general)is also problematic.
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Guys, all the documentary was trying to accomplish was to get us to consider the experiences of Indian Americans.
And it appears half of us failed.
And it appears half of us failed.
Yes and no, Yes people love to be offended but the documentary was a thoughtful breakdown of a legitimate problem well documented in the community offended by the character and how it directly effected their lives.
This wasn't a simple knee jerk "I'm offended" situation, this was a complete and thorough presentation.
This wasn't a simple knee jerk "I'm offended" situation, this was a complete and thorough presentation.
Outrage culture is so often a laughable attempt to dismiss an issue.
Aviator Irelia, who are you talking to? I'm not saying i disagree with you, but a lot of your anger seems to be a bit misplaced here. Especially your attacks on Matt Groening.
Aviator Irelia, who are you talking to? I'm not saying i disagree with you, but a lot of your anger seems to be a bit misplaced here. Especially your attacks on Matt Groening.
Says a lot you pick out the one poster with the most extreme opinion and are focusing completely on that. It sums up this "outraged by those offended" culture pretty well.
I mean here's where I stand.
I think the simpsons has been offensive and racist for basically it's entire life. It's not justified in any way. You watch something like south park and when it's racist it's doing it to be offensive it's got a undercurrent of tounge in cheek to it and it knows exactly what it's doing. The Simpsons is show shown in prime time childrens entertainment slots and it's basically mild hate propergander at times. The Documentary highlights it's use of racists sterotypes.
If you have seen people of indian heritage (after the fact of the documentary) complain about this. That's perfect, They are personally affected and if they want to stand up and spread awareness and raise concern that's great.
However what I've seen isn't that it's people latching to a new social justice cause because like it or not the hard left (and I'm as liberal as they come here) have a tendency to use underhanded, brash and pushy tactics because a large portion of that side of the fence just want to raise outrage because it's the done thing. Like the Vegan asshole who has a thread on front page because he started tweeting some other harmless vegan for buying an ice cream. I think it's ignorant to ignore these people that are basically bullies.
There is just cause here but there's also and element of leftist rage for the sake of it.
There might be something with white people getting upset about an issue and said marginalized group is not upset, but considering it's Hari talking about this issue, I'm willing to listen.
White people can have empathy too. Not to mention you'll see more white people saying stuff like this because there are more white people in America (and other places in the world that commonly post in English on the internet for that matter) than PoC, especially if we're limiting it to a specific group
Well since people started to change the thread into this outrage culture subject.
You can go argue with the ones who started it, as well.
Pretty much admitting he didn't saw a single second of the documentary, making the episode joke even worse. What a dumbass.
Besides the obvious issue that most of the white guys being triggered here by criticism, while having not watched said criticism(nor will they watch), I do find it remarkable how much right wingers have successfully turned rightful anger into something to be frowned upon. You are not allowed to be angry anymore, except when it goes against blacks, asians, muslims, women, jews, mexicans etc etc.
Nailed it. As someone of Indian descent I'm frankly done with assholes telling me all my life that I shouldn't be offended by their caricatures, calling me terrorist and making stupid remarks about cows. "It was just jokes, lighten up!" yeah fuck that. The Simpsons is so ingrained in American culture that any criticism of it is seen as a personal insult by so many - including those on the left.
I definitely agree with Matt's response.
If people find Apu stereotype offensive, then by all means please remove Bumblebee Man.
And while you're at it, please also remove the whole "typical american family" stereotype because that's also offensive.
If people find Apu stereotype offensive, then by all means please remove Bumblebee Man.
And while you're at it, please also remove the whole "typical american family" stereotype because that's also offensive.
Maybe people do love to be offended because any time minority issues are discussed a lot of people don't like it
Yup.
Funny how even when this whole issue is about and raised by Indians/South Asians, people just want to talk about white people and their role in "outrage culture."
I don't really see anyone "outraged" to begin with so this whole "ooooh people are so outrage about Apu now" line is horseshit. I see people who listened to Kondabolu argument and agree with him and feel there should be a conversation about it. That's it. He gave his side of things and it had people look at Apu differently than before and awaited a response from the show and the producers/writers.
The only thing that's come to being "outraged" came after the Simpson's creators response. They could have had that conversation too but instead they shit on it thus escalating people to the point of actual outrage because of how shitty they come across as.
The only thing that's come to being "outraged" came after the Simpson's creators response. They could have had that conversation too but instead they shit on it thus escalating people to the point of actual outrage because of how shitty they come across as.
Bumblebee Man isn't even offensive because hardly anyone goes AYE DIOS MIOS when they see Mexicans
stop being a Nazi plz, Gestapo man
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Do you guys know who made the documentary?
My responses cover them as well.
They're fairly monolithic in their attempts to dismiss everything under the umbrella of "outrage culture rum amok". It's so transparent. They're lazy and boring.
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