This seems a little bit aggressive but what do I know I'm white. His response to this should be better. I can see his point even though I don't agree.
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Simpsons creator Matt Groening on Apu: 'People love to pretend they're offended'
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Oh yes POC are just pretending to be outraged (eye roll). Terrible response but it's not like I expected anything better.
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Ways out of this mess:
- Have Apu killed in a robbery
- Have Apu become mute somehow
- Have Apu go through a language class that gives him a perfect American accent
- Hire an Indian voice actor to retain the accent wihout exaggarating it
- Double down with rude remarks until the issue is forgotten about eventually
- Have Apu killed in a robbery
- Have Apu become mute somehow
- Have Apu go through a language class that gives him a perfect American accent
- Hire an Indian voice actor to retain the accent wihout exaggarating it
- Double down with rude remarks until the issue is forgotten about eventually
You see, this is about Apu specifically, so why are you putting everything under the same umbrella? So you can hand-wave everything away without actually thinking critically about it?
I agree it's a really weak response and that Apu is a problematic character whose depiction has become pretty untenable in 2018. I think I just hit the point of outrage fatigue with this headline. So much of it just riles people up, it doesn't kick the can any further down the road.
Yes. It's time to start calling these people out on their blatant racism. Kid gloves are off in 2018.
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Social media is causing Outrage culture. I agree with the guy 100%.
Because the quote directly says people love to be outraged these days which is correct. However I'd be surprised if Groening has watched the documentary to understand the specific point on why So I is such a problem.
As I said earlier a handwave is not the answer here. Disappointing but expected response.
Watch as he's killed by a caricature of an outraged keyboard warrior who hates freedom of speech. I wish I was joking.
I'll add this to the list: anyone using the term outage culture to hand wave concerns is probably closet racist, too.
I hear you, this is such an odd one too as i think so many people who are outraged over the "outrage" actually have no understanding of what the actually issues are, The Problem with Apu is completely reasonable and raises legitimate concerns. If we don't speak up with problematic issues though, and give support to those that do, things won't change.
Yes. Make angrier social media posts = removal of kid gloves.
So the people in the documentary were pretending to be offended?
Being offended seems to be the worst thing in our society now. So are we going to ban all stereotypes in comedy because we are worried of offending?
He said "And I think it's a time in our culture where people love to pretend they're offended." this is what I refer to.
Wow, what a useless and not at all salient statement, coming from Groening and anyone else.
It's not angry. It's my honest assessment of the situation. There's no need to dress the ugliness of people like Matt up just because we once enjoyed their product.
I mean he isn't wrong. People do love to pretend they are outraged.
The problem is sifting through what deserves outrage and what doesn't. Who is genuinely offended and who is just trying to make a scene or gather attention.
The problem is sifting through what deserves outrage and what doesn't. Who is genuinely offended and who is just trying to make a scene or gather attention.
For what it's worth, I completely agree. People do this as a sport. It's entertainment. Just look at all the threads on this forum of people going out of their way to argue .
I never even realised he is a stereotype. Growing up in UK nearly every first gen Indian immigrant spoke like Apu or very similar with heavy accent, and every cornershop or qwik-e mart type shops were owned by Indians (or Packistani).
Was US different? 30 years ago too.
Was US different? 30 years ago too.
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People don't tend to make entire documentaries about something they're pretending to care about.
This is bullshit too. Dunno if it might be different in the US but here in the UK we have a culture of people complaining to our tv regulator because of a show they dont watch which was reported in the daily mail doing something they are told not to like.
Outrage culture is a real thing and doesn't necessarily have anything to do with race. Groening was off point here though. Very tone def response from him.
I just hope people weigh it against their mental health when they participate in it regularly. I know I need to take a break, I really haven't since Trump was elected. As a society I'm worried in terms of our collective mental health that this is just the thing we do now. And again, I'm not saying it's bad or proposing a better alternative.
To be fair Apu is an offence caricature that plays more on racial heritage than on personal traits than caricatures are known for.
But the public outcry here isn't from people of Indian heritage it's from people who
1.Want to be offeded
2.Want to have the moral high ground
3.Push overtly PC agendas for the sake of belittlement
It's hard left twitter in a nutshell.
But the public outcry here isn't from people of Indian heritage it's from people who
1.Want to be offeded
2.Want to have the moral high ground
3.Push overtly PC agendas for the sake of belittlement
It's hard left twitter in a nutshell.
Have any of you guys who think people "love to be outraged these days" ever considered that some things have always been issues and you're just hearing about them now because it's easier for people you'd never otherwise hear from to speak up
Thanks I'll take your input into consideration. I'm not being sarcastic.
Honestly, take a bit of time and go watch the documentary. At the very least it should help you understand why your way of framing the conversation is an unhelpful non sequitur.
From the little I have read and heard the whole problem comes from a whole generation of indian-americans being bullied by being called Apu and things connected to the character while in school right?
God the response from The Simpsons team has been utterly pathetic.
Hari Kondabolu made a really well made film that really digs deep into the issues that Apu has caused Indian people.
Meanwhile the Simpsons team response has been: "HUR DUR EVERYONE IS PRETENDING!!! FAKE OUTRAGE!!! WE'RE RIGHT YOUR WRONG!!!"
Hari Kondabolu made a really well made film that really digs deep into the issues that Apu has caused Indian people.
Meanwhile the Simpsons team response has been: "HUR DUR EVERYONE IS PRETENDING!!! FAKE OUTRAGE!!! WE'RE RIGHT YOUR WRONG!!!"
I'm not talking about Apu specifically. I am talking about in general.
The idea of "people love to pretend to be offended" is 100% true.
I have no opinion on Apu though because I have never seen a Simpsons episode.
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If thats what you want to hear. Its not about colour at all, this could have been about a jewish character in The Simpsons too.
My buddy must have imagined getting called Apu and spoken to in that accent his entire childhood.
It's in direct response to the Apu situation, which is more than a legitimate thing, which he clearly has no interest engaging with like an empathetic adult. So, he's definitely wrong.
These post talking about "loving to be outraged" is not applicable here. It just makes you sound like a dick.
Well let's hope you come down from thinking every perceived slight is made by a secret member of the kkk.
Man, i take breaks for sure, i ditch OT here and there on Era and just stick to gaming and the hangouts, shut off my news/current affairs feeds and just take it easy without thinking about the world for awhile - it is definitely needed for my mental health, and i hope others do the same if and when they need it too. Though we've got a provincial election coming up thats not looking good thats going to weigh on me a lot and be difficult to ignore, i'm not looking forward to it.
Can I take both sides on this one? Apu is a stereotypical character that should have been left behind long ago...but it also definitely feels like folks tend to get more easily offended these days as well.
Oh no I still fully believe he is a racist. Maybe the Klan hood was a bit much. I'll just say he is a racist instead.
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