How is "lol outrage culture" a brilliant response? Have some standards, man.
Groening just sounds like an asshole who lacks any and all nuance about an issue Hari Kondabolu highlighted. He's lazy.
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Simpsons creator Matt Groening on Apu: 'People love to pretend they're offended'
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How is "lol outrage culture" a brilliant response? Have some standards, man.
Groening just sounds like an asshole who lacks any and all nuance about an issue Hari Kondabolu highlighted. He's lazy.
The only unjustified outrage i can thing of is against Michele wolf. Who is racist, and it's obvious he has not watched the documentary as it refutes the obvious defences people like him Would use
I mean I get the show is outdated because it's a billion years old and all, but saying Hari's documentary is just him "pretending to get offended" is messed up. The guy put in his time and made a well thought out doc, it's not right to push it aside that easily. Same thing with the show's "what can you do" response a few weeks back. Just shows that you/they don't care.
Especially since Matt and the show itself was very progressive in their younger years.
Especially since Matt and the show itself was very progressive in their younger years.
I feel like many people in this thread are pretending to be offended about the offense taken.
Is this how 12-dimensional-chess works?
Is this how 12-dimensional-chess works?
I'm not really in a position to judge, but I never saw Apu as an offensive caricature. He was just another character on the show to me, but I kind of stopped watching 15 years ago, so maybe that changed in the years since. Either way, the Simpsons took the crown for longest running television program already. It's high time they bowed out.
Yep.
Like, even if he's not exactly wrong, that's not the response you give. Maybe you should just take a second and reexamine things in a new light based on new perspectives. Plus, Matt really has nothing to do with day-to-day Simpsons, so he should just stfu and let the showrunning staff handle it.
That's, uh, not a great answer. A guy makes a documentary to articulate and illustrate why what was an afterthought to Groening was an actual issue in his life, and the only answer he can muster is this limp deflection?
Edit for all the "yeah, you show them" one liners. If you believe there's a rampant "outrage culture", you should at least acknowledge you're part of it when you're complaining online about other opinions. That cuts both ways.
Edit for all the "yeah, you show them" one liners. If you believe there's a rampant "outrage culture", you should at least acknowledge you're part of it when you're complaining online about other opinions. That cuts both ways.
I'm just sick of this whole conversation. I'm getting sick of all the conversations. It's just arguing, then policing, then arguing about the policing. We're becoming so neurotic. I'm not even saying that people's ideals are the problem, they aren't, I share them - it's the unproductiveness of all this constant drama and 'X is a horrible person'. I'm becoming convinced social media should have never fucking happened.
Matt's probably a flawed but decent person. Like me and you.
Matt's probably a flawed but decent person. Like me and you.
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Can't hear his response from underneath his Klan hood. The worst generation keeps being the worst generation, but it's all okay because he's white and he made a lot of money propogating racism. Can't have any introspection or anything that might hurt his money train. We all know what this is really about.
When you want to pretend to be better than others, is ageism a good idea?
Remember when the Simpsons was intentionally calling out the status quo family values ideology where possible?
Now they've become what used to want to have them cancelled.
What a spineless response.
Now they've become what used to want to have them cancelled.
What a spineless response.
fine.
"comedian from another era thinks criticism of their work is fake outrage"
Wow, I'm honestly surprised at all the posts here applauding this response. Perhaps dumb to say, but I expected better from Era.
Saying that minority opinions on their depictions in media are disingenuous is like the height of white nonsense.
You can reset the name but you can't reset the racism.
You can reset the name but you can't reset the racism.
Very interesting indeed. Mainly disappointing though.
While I was not outraged before, I am definitely now after this response only an asshole could come up with. It's just very Trump-esque in its demeanor.
I mean, he's fully supporting racism. He wrote it himself, not me. What's worse is he thinks it's okay and that the people upset by said racism are all making it up.
I don't think anyone has called Matt a terrible person here, a coward perhaps for this weak response, and he should engage with the issue and try to understand it which he clearly hasn't, something Azaria has, especially given that Hari Kondabolu cared enough about it all to make a documentary about it.
EDIT: Ok, i take it back, this is a terrible reply:
Klan hood? Seriously? Matt its certainly wrong with how hes handling this issue, and engaging with it poorly, but he still partly responsible for creating a progressive and forward thinking show that pushed many, many boundaries in its time.
Yup. Cause I mean, where would we be without white people to tell us what to be offended by, amirite?
20 page thread incoming.
I mean Groening isn't wrong but that was a weak response and will only fan the flames Hank Azaria has been trying to diffuse these past weeks and helps no one.
I mean Groening isn't wrong but that was a weak response and will only fan the flames Hank Azaria has been trying to diffuse these past weeks and helps no one.
It's just a shitty response to a criticism. If this is enough to wear you down take a break from readimg this stuff. I dom't see how anyone reads that response and is like "what a well thought out rebuttle"
As people of color, we are all truly sorry you are inconvenienced by our desire to reduce the use of uncomfortable racial stereotypes that came at our expense for your entertainment.
We hope you guys find the Time Stone and go back to "the good old days" when men were men, women were women, and people of color knew their places.
We hope you guys find the Time Stone and go back to "the good old days" when men were men, women were women, and people of color knew their places.
Drama? If people are silent, how do you expect things to change? If we were to rely on people like Greoning to make changes then everything would remain the same.
Minstrel shows didn't just disappear, people had issue with them and things changed. Black actors didn't just stop being relegated to the "three Ps" pimps, pushers, and prostitutes. People had issue with it and it changed.
What do you expect people to do here?
People love to be offended by those who are offended, and then rally around some prominent hack (for at least a decade now, probably longer) who agrees with them. "brilliant response". The fuck outta here.
I really don't know why the Simpsons higher ups are trying to pass this issue off as so Black and White, there's very little nuance to their replies on the topic.
Oh? The Indian folk in the documentary were pretending to be offended?
People love to say shit like this when they don't have an argument, it's much easier to say "my free speech" or "you are easily offended" than it is to engage with your opponents point. That documentary was super reasonable, yet I'm willing to bet 99% of the people outraged over it didn't watch it
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