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RPS: Cyberpunk 2077's E3 demo has weak gunplay and unimaginative stereotypes
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But we were talking about Witcher 3 and if it's a good game or not and I was reffering to the fact that everyone can have his own opinion about game's quality but of course when it comes to social issues, like racism, you should be having one opinion.. you can have different opinion(s) - everyone has his right for that - but then you know what you are and you need to face the consenquences
I hear ya. Oddly enough the finest I ever felt was the pistol in Half-Life 2, still looking for something to feel as clean.
It's important. Not just now but in the future too, that shit doesn't age well, like how scooters in GTA games are still called a 'Faggio' some 17 years after Vice City's introduction of them.
I agree with that, we can't fully assess it yet. The way the dialogue has been presented thus far hasn't really given me much hope for a nuanced perspective, but again, I'm open to seeing the final product to find out.
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...I get so. fucking. frustrated with shit like this...
This isn't and never will be an accurate depiction of a black woman's mannerisms, EVER.
Yeah. This seems like a very unfortunate mix. I want a sophisticated treatment and good characterisations and dialogue. I don't want to feel embarrassed every time a character opens their mouth. It would be a shame for videogames' 'flagship' cyberpunk entry to fall so short on these things, vs examples of the genre in other media.
When each new showing of the game has the same problems thats a red flag
But how you show these awful things matters. Is it nuanced, is it stereotypical, is it biased, is it neutral,... If it's biased, how is it biased? Critical? Favourable? You can tell a story about racism that paints a highly critical picture of it or you can tell a story about racism that makes light of it or glamourises it (and everything in between).
I think CDPR, given their track record, ought to release a set short stories that give context to the representation, idolization, cultural appropriation and fetishization within the game world.
As things are in vacuum and given their aforementioned track record it is not a good look given how certain aspects of representation in Cyberpunk 2020, which were once largely palatable within the non-diagetic culture where bigotry was an innate part of every day life for the majority, have rightfully been recognized as anathemas in retrospect. If the game is running with non-diagetic culture that shaped C2020 and re-imagining it onto 2077 whilst stripping it of the real world cultural progress made since the 80s, then they ought to clarify that.
As things are in vacuum and given their aforementioned track record it is not a good look given how certain aspects of representation in Cyberpunk 2020, which were once largely palatable within the non-diagetic culture where bigotry was an innate part of every day life for the majority, have rightfully been recognized as anathemas in retrospect. If the game is running with non-diagetic culture that shaped C2020 and re-imagining it onto 2077 whilst stripping it of the real world cultural progress made since the 80s, then they ought to clarify that.
More from Eurogamer
What the FUCK is all this racial insensitivity in their writing???
From Eurogamer:
From Eurogamer:
And that's bad.
Take the Shadowrun games on PC (Harebrained Schemes).
The have genuine good writing and create a believable and interesting Cyperpunk world without being racist and edgy.
it is crystal clear that there is something with this game, two E3s and all we got was a pre recorded gameplay demo on a monster PC. this decision was made on purpose. no one knows how this looks or runs on current consoles and this will affect how the game will feel. i expect this game to have problems in either graphical look or performance on the current consoles. could also be that the story itself is hamfisted.
i don´t trust the hype at all, especially not after the Witcher 3 downgrades and the fact that the game released really rough( small inventory icons, stuttering in some areas, bugs galore.)
they knew exactly why they got Keanu Reeves, to drive those pre order numbers even higher but last E3 before release and no console gameplay is a big red flag for me.
i don´t trust the hype at all, especially not after the Witcher 3 downgrades and the fact that the game released really rough( small inventory icons, stuttering in some areas, bugs galore.)
they knew exactly why they got Keanu Reeves, to drive those pre order numbers even higher but last E3 before release and no console gameplay is a big red flag for me.
Cyberpunk should be about the interaction of corporative, hypercapitalist superpowers playing gods while countercultures appear and the often semi-criminal protagonist moves between worlds.
It should be about weird stuff, a bunch of college kids dressing in optic camouflage summer dresses that spout neo-Marxist dribble one week then dye themselves gray and speaking somberly the next.
Cyberpunk doesn't even need to feel too dystopian, most of Neuromancer for example isn't dystopian even if it's very dark at times. So racism, slurs and offensive stuff absolutely isn't necessary. And not from this company.
I think it was posted earlier that they were part of the OG table top game.
It's funny how minorities and people of color are always the ones getting shit on in "accurate" and "realistic" settings.
Yes, but the tabletop game description is this:
Wow, I missed the race part entirely. Thank you for posting that.
How much more of this shit do we have to see before certain people realize that maybe the company's problems aren't limited to a single community manager?
Because of course that's the default name any Haitian demographic would choose, simply because they're Hatian...
I am sometimes confused about how we can reconcile the legitimate call for a better and fairer representation of all races, genders, cultures and the artistic representation of a dystopian society (or, if that matter, even a realistic society) which will most likely include a depiction of it's wrongs.
I know I wouldn't stand for anything making the "apology" of racist, homo/trans-phobic or even violence. But on the other hand, I'm quite at ease with having games full of a**holes if this is part of the world. The "dem" is maybe a bit too much here for me as it comes from the protag'. The "ad" with the trans looks more like a satire of excessive marketing deviance from this world though.
I don't know, I don't have a clear answer to that, but I am actually less troubled by that than a lot of the satire pieces in a GTA V for instance.
I know I wouldn't stand for anything making the "apology" of racist, homo/trans-phobic or even violence. But on the other hand, I'm quite at ease with having games full of a**holes if this is part of the world. The "dem" is maybe a bit too much here for me as it comes from the protag'. The "ad" with the trans looks more like a satire of excessive marketing deviance from this world though.
I don't know, I don't have a clear answer to that, but I am actually less troubled by that than a lot of the satire pieces in a GTA V for instance.
Oh yeah, I tried to fairly criticise CDPR games here, not easy.
Rockstar and CDPR are untouchable.
Yes, agreed! I wish Borderlands 3 had this too, because I don't like the lack of any real reaction from baddies when they are shot.
The whole point of cyberpunk as a subgenre to traditional early sci-fi, which tended to be hopeful, was to show an alternate dystopian future full of inequality, drug culture, hyper sexuality and cybernetics/tech.
I don't think Outer Worlds has an open world. isn't it hub based?
Oh yes, I forgot. You travel to different planets, it's not interconnected like an open world game.
I found the combat in Witcher 3 to be serviceable-at-best, and why I think it's a great game but not an amazing one. So I'm not too surprised about the gunplay in CP2077 not being amazing. I don't know how much that will affect me as I'm expecting to have more of a sneaking/hacking play-style and less "guns blazing".
This is one of the primary issues I had with MMORPG games in the past...it's an extreme turn off for me...
Is it far-fetched to imagine an ethnically-centered gang in a dystopia though? Exemples of "exclusives" gangs exists in the real world too, and they are not always known for their subtelty. As long as there are other reprensetations of the same ethnical group in the game than that, I don't see it as something that is, on it's own, an apology of racism. If the game however stands with an approach that this is the only way this ethnic group can possibly be presented, then it's an issue.
I don't think I am qualified to make social comments on all that, I am just wondering myself how I would approach it if I had to adapt a universe like Cyberpunk.
Sensing some confirmation bias on this thread at least about the gameplay part. Witcher 3 was never known for great gameplay and on resetera it's a bit of a meme at this point. So now that someone says the combat looks bad people are like "who could've guessed lmao" like this article is word of god itself.
I find it less egregious and more just... tiring that this is not a solved problem by now. Prime example of how diversity in the workforce leads to an overall better product.
Lackluster gunplay is the cherry on top, but I can't say I'm surprised. CDPR has never been good at the gameplay.
Lackluster gunplay is the cherry on top, but I can't say I'm surprised. CDPR has never been good at the gameplay.
Oh there's major red flags all over the place for me. The fact that they aren't really addressing it in interviews and such too. But time will tell I guess.
I am comparing the game with the tabletop rpg where in the latter the gang is mainly made out of "average white boys". Yet in the game they are all colored people.
This is to be expected. The action in the Witcher series sucks ass and CD Projekt Red gonna CD Projekt Red.
Fair. I'll be honest, I never played the tabletop RPG, so I didn't know about that