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lightning16

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May 17, 2019
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Some random thoughts on the list (EDIT post was made before I realized it was tiers and not strictly ranked, so several of these thoughts are irrelevant):

I respect the #1 choice. Wonderful game. I prefer a few games on the list to Dragon Quest XI, like Breath of the Wild and Three Houses, but it's real damn good.

Wasn't personally a fan of Persona 5 and it probably wouldn't make my list. I expected it to be high, though.

Three Houses is better than Awakening. Awakening is still a good game, though. I personally wouldn't have included Echoes at all. I think that game has too many issues to be on this list.

Thrilled to see Octopath so high. It's a great game that I think is underappreciated.

The original NieR is a mediocre game with a good story and good music. I wouldn't place it that high. Almost everything related to the way that game plays is average at best.

Yakuza 0 is a better game than the majority of the games placed above it. It's an absolutely amazing game and, along with Breath of the Wild, one of the very few open world games that is designed well around the genre.

Piggybacking off the last opinion, Horizon Zero Dawn is entirely too high. It looks absolutely incredible, but the game itself was a bit of a slog. One of the games that made me realize open world games aren't for me as they as currently designed.

Tokyo Mirage Sessions has one of the best turn-based battle systems I've personally played, and I'm happy to see it make the list. Would be higher on my personal list, but I'll take it.

If you're going to actually include Zelda games, both of the 2D Zelda games both should be much higher. I wouldn't include them in general, though.

I preferred Trails in the Sky to Trails in the Sky SC. Both good games and basically feel like halves to the same game, though.

Sun & Moon shouldn't sniff this list, and putting Black & White one spot below feels like an attempt to highlighting how bad the inclusion is. Black & White should be higher on the list and Sun & Moon shouldn't be there at all.

Final Fantasy XV is probably one of the worst games I've played, but it was so bad I didn't play that much of it. I, of course, wouldn't include it on my list, but I guess I didn't play enough to say for sure.

Happy to see both Xenoblade 1 & 2 so high.
 
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Terraforce

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Oct 27, 2017
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My point was more about Odyssey not deserving to be on a top list of RPG titles. Both it and Origins certainly employ much more RPG systems in the pivot away from the franchise's older gameplay staples. The execution of those systems by Ubisoft is definitely a mixed bag.
Based on the reception of the game, I think a lot of people would disagree. It wasn't the type of game to keep me hooked, but I understand why so many people enjoy it. And I stuck around much longer than I did for the pre Origins games.
 

ara

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Oct 26, 2017
13,027
Whoa, I've been sleeping on Underrail. I've heard it's great but those blurbs make it sound incredible

I've tried it once and while I couldn't get into it, I've been meaning to try it again. It appearing in the top 10 of that list definitely bumped it up for me. Maybe I'll try it after I'm done with P5R.

I think RPG Codex seems like an honest-to-god shithole going by what I've seen/heard, but their tastes in RPGs definitely align with mine much better than apparently most of the mass gaming media, which usually seem to lean towards JRPGs very strongly. Lots of games I love there too, of course, just not nearly as much as I've gotten older.
 

elyetis

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Oct 26, 2017
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From the amount of game I wouldn't even consider RPG, to Divinity: Original Sin 2 only being 44, I'm definitly not their target audience.
 

Rosenkrantz

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Jan 17, 2018
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That's the thing though. While every list is going to have a bias, I won't deny that, a list from this site should not be considered as the go to when it's literally only for one platform.
It's still much better put together than any other RPG list out there. The commentary to entries is actually informative and gives you both pros and cons of the game (just read what they wrote about Dragon Age). Most importantly, and I'm going to repeat myself, as far as the knowledge of the genre goes, Codex is still unparalleled by any other community.
 

haveheart

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Oct 25, 2017
2,076
So they just chose to ignore the Elder Scrolls or Gothic series?

What about Baldur's Gate? Neverwinter Nights? Deus Ex? KotoR?

What is going on here? This is a list of good third-person action adventures with some RPGs in between. The RPG Codex list on the other hand is really good. I'm in no position to dispute RPGamer's authority but c'mon...
 

ThreepQuest64

Avenger
Oct 29, 2017
5,735
Germany
I never considered Zelda games RPGs, though. Moreover, there's not much I do agree with on this list.
So they just chose to ignore the Elder Scrolls or Gothic series?

What about Baldur's Gate? Neverwinter Nights? Deus Ex? KotoR?

What is going on here? This is a list of good third-person action adventures with some RPGs in between. The RPG Codex list on the other hand is really good. I'm in no position to dispute RPGamer's authority but c'mon...
Yeah, man. It's quite mind-boggling.
 

logash

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Oct 27, 2017
4,761
aaaaand calling an ass creed game an rpg invalidates this entire list
Serious question, have you played it? I can understand people not agreeing with it being on the list but Assassin's Creed Odyssey is most certainly an RPG. It has stats, levels, dialog options and abilities + skill trees. It is essentially "Witcher lite". It is more RPG than Horizon Zero Dawn and Zelda.
 

His Majesty

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Oct 25, 2017
12,174
Belgium
The RPGCodex list is extremely biased in favor of old-school cRPGs. There's not a single JRPG in the Top 50 and only 4 in the Top 100 (if you count NieR Automata which is a stretch). Of those 4 JRPGs, one is Anachronox (which, yes, it's funny, but it's a mess of a game) and one is a porn game. It's a terrible list unless you really love old PC games.

Say what you will, but at least the RPGamer list has Western-style RPGs scattered throughout.
And the RPGamers list is extremely biased in favour of JRPGs, to each his own. I personally align more with the Codex list. Coincidentally Anachronox is also one of the best JRPGs I have ever played.
 

MrWindUpBird

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Oct 28, 2017
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It's still much better put together than any other RPG list out there. The commentary to entries is actually informative and gives you both pros and cons of the game (just read what they wrote about Dragon Age). Most importantly, and I'm going to repeat myself, as far as the knowledge of the genre goes, Codex is still unparalleled by any other community.
Frankly, but respectfully, if your website negates literally 50% of RPG's ever released, you can't be the foremost knowledge base. I won't deny that they've got a good grasp on CRPG's, but again, if you have to forego a HUGE portion of games released your list could be the best written thing in the net and I would still disregard as the best list of games.
 

dude

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Oct 25, 2017
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Tel Aviv
this thread really shows the gap between cRPGs and jRPGs audiences is so large that it really raises some questions on whether they really should be considered the same genre.
 

Trelova

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Apr 8, 2020
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i could argue BotW being an RPG vaguely with like stat numbers, buffs/debuffs etc but Link Between Worlds? Link's Awakening? the heck ya'll doin. Though honestly seeing Assassin's Creed of all things start this list gave me a pretty good idea just how loose the 'rpg' definition here is.

but i will say im happy to see Radiant Historia in there.
still such an underrated game, truly a classic successor to the Chrono Trigger/Cross legacy. god just give it more love people
 

XR.

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Nov 22, 2018
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Serious question, have you played it? I can understand people not agreeing with it being on the list but Assassin's Creed Odyssey is most certainly an RPG. It has stats, levels, dialog options and abilities + skill trees. It is essentially "Witcher lite". It is more RPG than Horizon Zero Dawn and Zelda.
I feel all of those are shoe-horned in just for the sake of it. You could remove all of those elements and it would quite literally be the same game; I mean, it doesn't matter what stats you have, there's no build variety, it doesn't matter what level you are and it doesn't matter what dialogue choices you make.
 

N.47H.4N

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Oct 27, 2017
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The only think I know is Mass Effect 2 should be #1 and The Witcher 3 #2 and Divinity Original Sin #3
 

Metroidvania

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Oct 25, 2017
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I love Horizon, but having it at #10 over Fallout New Vegas AND Divinity Original Sin 2 is a tragedy.

Dragon Quest 11 being #1 is also a bit of a head scratcher, but I see I'm not alone in that.
 

Rosenkrantz

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Jan 17, 2018
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Frankly, but respectfully, if your website negates literally 50% of RPG's ever released, you can't be the foremost knowledge base.
Oh, they know their JRPGs just fine, I doubt they care for them all that much. Most of the big games released in the last decade are available on PC after all (with Atlus, KH and Nintendo stuff being exceptions), plus I assume a good chunk of users there owns at least one console. Realistically, the only console exclusive RPG that I could see cracking top 100 there is Etrian Odyssey.
 

Trelova

Banned
Apr 8, 2020
814
So they just chose to ignore the Elder Scrolls or Gothic series?

What about Baldur's Gate? Neverwinter Nights? Deus Ex? KotoR?

What is going on here? This is a list of good third-person action adventures with some RPGs in between. The RPG Codex list on the other hand is really good. I'm in no position to dispute RPGamer's authority but c'mon...

lass did u miss the part about it being 'of the decade'. Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights etc were 2000s games
 
Oct 27, 2017
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19. Fire Emblem: Three Houses
9. Fire Emblem Awakening
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I don't even dislike Awakening as it's what got me into the series in earnest, but 3H is far superior to it
 

logash

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Oct 27, 2017
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I feel all of those are shoe-horned in just for the sake of it. You could remove all of those elements and it would quite literally be the same game.
Not really. I recently played through Rogue and I am currently 76 hours into my Odyssey playthrough and they are without a doubt completely different games. Hardcore fans of the series hate it for that exact reason. The game has taken so much inspiration from the Witcher that I would argue that if you do not consider Odyssey an RPG than you have to also not consider the Witcher.

Just to be clear though, I am in no way, shape, or form suggesting that Odyssey is anywhere near as good as the Witcher. I think it has an extremely bland story and repetitive side content. Everything it does like the Witcher is done in a worse way besides maybe the movement and that is because they took the movement from old AC games and put it in there (With obvious improvements).
 

Qwark

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Oct 27, 2017
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Are the Atelier games actually good? I just kind of assumed they were low-tier anime bs (sorry).
 

Elandyll

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Oct 25, 2017
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It is a matter of opinions, and everyone is entitled to theirs, but as far as relating to my taste/ opinion, this is one of the most garbage "top whatever" lists I have ever seen.
Holy shit.
 

Bosch

Banned
May 15, 2019
3,680
Kingdom come deliverance not been in the list doesn't make sense. Game is great.
 

Gush

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Nov 17, 2017
2,096
Weak ass list. Pretty much ignores CRPGs other than throwing a consolation bone to a couple of the most obvious critical darlings
 

tiebreaker

"This guy are sick"
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Oct 25, 2017
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Bloodborne got robbed.

Anyway, nothing too controversial for me, except exclusion of Valkyria Chronicles.

Easily the best tactics JRPG, yeah, over Fire Emblem for me.
 

CarlSagan94

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Nov 3, 2018
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Interesting choices but there are some I can't agree with.

DQXI is awesome, I love it, but it has some problems (mediocre to bad ost, very weak Act III) that simply can't put it at number 1.

Original Sin 2 is far, far too low.

Also Fire Emblem Awakening over Three Houses is crazy. I get that Awakening is the game that saved the franchise and is therefore very symbolic but Three Houses is better in every way possible.

Also BoTW is just not an RPG and shouldn't be there. Having an inventory system and some stat doesn't make it an rpg.
 

NCR Ranger

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Oct 25, 2017
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I've tried it once and while I couldn't get into it, I've been meaning to try it again. It appearing in the top 10 of that list definitely bumped it up for me. Maybe I'll try it after I'm done with P5R.

I think RPG Codex seems like an honest-to-god shithole going by what I've seen/heard, but their tastes in RPGs definitely align with mine much better than apparently most of the mass gaming media, which usually seem to lean towards JRPGs very strongly. Lots of games I love there too, of course, just not nearly as much as I've gotten older.

Oh, it is a shit hole. People like to hold them up as the gold standard, but that really only works if your tastes align with theirs. If they don't, it is just a shit hole with trash discussions on the level of any other slime pits on the internet.
 

Bennibop

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Oct 30, 2017
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How is Horizon higher than Bloodborne?? I mean I love both games but Bloodborne is in a league of its own.
 

XR.

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Nov 22, 2018
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Not really. I recently played through Rogue and I am currently 76 hours into my Odyssey playthrough and they are without a doubt completely different games. Hardcore fans of the series hate it for that exact reason. The game has taken so much inspiration from the Witcher that I would argue that if you do not consider Odyssey an RPG than you have to also not consider the Witcher.

Just to be clear though, I am in no way, shape, or form suggesting that Odyssey is anywhere near as good as the Witcher. I think it has an extremely bland story and repetitive side content. Everything it does like the Witcher is done in a worse way besides maybe the movement and that is because they took the movement from old AC games and put it in there (With obvious improvements).
Yeah, I agree with you regarding taking inspiration from The Witcher, but the RPG-elements themselves are still completely redundant. They don't matter to any meaningful extent since there's no relevance to your stats or your level, there's no build variety and the dialogue choices don't matter.

I don't really see how it would, all in all, qualify as an RPG. Implementing RPG-elements on paper isn't really enough in my view.
 

logash

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Oct 27, 2017
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The more I look at the list the worse it gets. Tokyo Mirage Session's battle system can't make up for it's terrible boring story and characters. There are really people out there that think that it's better than Radiant Historia, Ni no Kuni, Fire Emblem: Shadows of Valentia, Divinity: Original Sin 2, and (this one really hurt) Bloodborne?

Yeah, I agree with you regarding taking inspiration from The Witcher, but the RPG-elements themselves are still completely redundant. They don't matter to any meaningful extent since there's no relevance to your stats or your level, there's no build variety and the dialogue choices don't matter.

I don't really see how it would, all in all, qualify as an RPG. Implementing RPG-elements on paper isn't really enough in my view.
Granted, I did not beat the game yet, but from my understanding, there are 9 different endings in Odyssey and some are depending on your choices. I have already come across a choice the very beginning of the game that I am quite sure affects the ending. Also, stats do affect your character (in a broken stupid way imo). For example, you cannot one shot assassinate enemies without specing into it and getting gear that increases your assassination damage. Also, there are combat abilities that you can't use at all without getting them in the skill tree.
 

Gush

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Nov 17, 2017
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Oh, it is a shit hole. People like to hold them up as the gold standard, but that really only works if your tastes align with theirs. If they don't, it is just a shit hole with trash discussions on the level of any other slime pits on the internet.

rpgcodex is definitely a shithole but their top RPG lists are leagues above anyone else's
 

Mudo

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Oct 25, 2017
6,115
Tennessee
Pretty good list with lots of games I adore.

Personally:
—DQ11 is top 5 but #1 for me is Xenoblade Chronicles
—FE3H imo should be the highest on the list from that series. Loved it way more than Awakening
—Skyrim?!?!?! Top 5 for me
 

CaviarMeths

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Oct 25, 2017
10,655
Western Canada
Fire Emblem Awakening and Final Fantasy XIV both in the top 10, Octopath and Nier Automata in the top 20. All four of these games would probably make my top 10 overall games of the decade.

I guess I'll allow this list.

Personally I would have put Fates over Shadows of Valentia, but I otherwise agree with the Fire Emblem rankings. I'd move Diablo 3 way up the list as well.