People are referring to the character. Do the majority of people choose fighters for how they play? Especially casuals?
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ResetEra, gaming bubbles, "Boomers" and "Zoomers", and Steve from Minecraft
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Some of the quotes in the OP are really no big deal. Some are genuinely fine reactions, some are clearly just jokes/comic exaggerations that are being taken way too seriously, a couple were a bit extra and nasty, but hardly worth a thread. The OP is a bit overdramatic.
Your post was "This could possibly the worst choice Sakurai could have made."
Which:
1. Isn't factually true because choices like Goku or Spongebob exist
2. Isn't true on any basis because Steve is one of the most well known characters in existence.
You can personally not like it, but to say it's a bad choice, let alone the worst choice, is exactly why your in the first post.
There's a difference between personally not being interested and saying something like "the worst choice he could have made."
That's literally false. Having an inclusion from one of the biggest games in history is absolutely not the "worst choice."
You can be personally disappointed and still remain in reality.
I think those reactions quoted in the op are way over the top, I mean even if you don't care about Minecraft you can still give the character a shot and try something new, who knows you could end up enjoying it. And even if you don't like that playstyle Minecraft is so popular and well-known that I'm sure the announcement has made a number of people happy. There are so many characters in Smash there's bound to be some that appeal to you and some that don't, and that's completely fine.
I'm not a big fan of minecraft (the main game's creativity driven experience isn't for me, but I loved dungeons and love them to explore more styles of games with the IP) but he seemed like a really neat addition. his moveset and stage looked great.
I'm getting old when it comes to gaming (don't get fortnite, twitch, minecraft, GasS) but I just realize those aren't for me. As long as I can still get single player games I'm happy.
I'm getting old when it comes to gaming (don't get fortnite, twitch, minecraft, GasS) but I just realize those aren't for me. As long as I can still get single player games I'm happy.
This and all the Fortnite hate just brings back memories of Pokémon 20 years ago.
Me being told by my peers how Pokémon is for "babies" and what not. And now look, 20 years after that, it's still a popular series that kids and adults enjoy.
I'd totally prefer a different character (Maria from "Mischief Makers," please!), but I'm not bitter that a Minecraft character was chosen and it seems the younger crowd is pretty excited over it.
Me being told by my peers how Pokémon is for "babies" and what not. And now look, 20 years after that, it's still a popular series that kids and adults enjoy.
I'd totally prefer a different character (Maria from "Mischief Makers," please!), but I'm not bitter that a Minecraft character was chosen and it seems the younger crowd is pretty excited over it.
Man, I cant tell if some of the reactionary posts to the OP are being deliberately obtuse. The OP clarified the points he/she was conveying, which are fair, and many are doubling down without seeing the bigger picture.
When Steve just deadpan nopes out and blocks Mario in.
That was pretty great. I didn't give that trailer enough credit the first time I watched it.
I don't know why you've ignored my past two posts clarifying my statement - a statement which contributed directly to your topic and thesis - with definitive proof that Sakurai was physically and emotionally threatened by Nintendo.
People see their name on a wall of shame and get upset.
Much like they get upset over a popular video game character being announced in a popular video game.
Makes you think doesn't it?
But he will be a very popular character for casuals to play as?
I don't particularly like Minecraft — played like 10 years ago for a few weeks — though I love the OST but it's the biggest gaming franchise over the past decade and one of the biggest ever. Steve was always gonna be a part of the Smash community and I found his addition very smart.
I guess not? It seems that wall shaming is allowed on this site as long as you use the shaming as a device to make a thread and try to make a discussion about it which so far in my opinion hasn't yield much of one outside of people pointing at the wall of shame or making general remarks about those that got quoted or the quotes themselves. OP should have created the thread with a link that leads to the other thread instead of cherry picking quotes from the thread in order to frame this thread better.
A lot of people pick characters based on the game they're from. Steve's "character" is irrelevant since the main appeal is the game he's representing.
I saw this same argument thrown around when Hero was announced and it was flawed then too. People that like Dragon Quest will like Hero because he can use stuff that is specifically from Dragon Quest, the fact that he's a silent self-insert doesn't matter. It's the same thing with people that like Minecraft and Steve.
Okay I feel like it's worth addressing this point even though it'll probably get lost in the thread, but that's fine.
So what you're not considering here for your comparison OP, is that Resetera doesn't have any equivalent to upvotes. Twitter has likes. Facebook has likes. Reddit has upvotes.
That means that, it might very well be possible that Resetera is much less of a bubble than you're assuming, but you can't tell because the most vocal group will have a lot more visibility, even if they are a minority in this very forum. If we did have an algorithm like Twitter, where the posts with most engagement and likes and retweets got more visibility, who's to say the negative reactions would not be quickly overwhelmed by downvotes, or outshined by positive reactions getting considerably more likes?
Never played MC in my life and I think it is a great choice. The game is undeniably popular and influential, its staying power is second to none, and it nurtures further good relations between Nintendo and third parties. It is frankly a lot more interesting a choice than it could have been and at this stage the DLC characters should be characters that do novel things. It will be interesting to see how the character plays.
His looks represent the game he comes from, his moveset represents the game he comes from. Everything about Steve's character screams minecraft.
Also, Steve is a unique character. He will stand out among every other. There are no characters like him, he is a man made of blocks.
Pretty much this, I'm one of the people quoted for disliking it but that doesn't mean I don't understand why he was chosen or that allot of people are excited for it and I'm happy for everyone that is. Not everyone in the wall of shame were participating in the toxicity that the OP is wanting to discuss which I agree has gone too far.
Hard to say, there are plenty of people who just pick characters base on function and power
The idea that Minecraft isn't massively fucking deserving of being rep'd on that roster is peak comedy.
I've maybe spent 1 hour with it, it's fine, I don't fully grasp it. Whatever. But like... Minecraft has deeper claws in the culture of games and will be more fondly remembered (if it isn't already for those early players) than over half of the Nintendo-owned characters in that roster.
I've maybe spent 1 hour with it, it's fine, I don't fully grasp it. Whatever. But like... Minecraft has deeper claws in the culture of games and will be more fondly remembered (if it isn't already for those early players) than over half of the Nintendo-owned characters in that roster.
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That is a really interesting point - I have always wondered what ResetEra woud look like with a "like" button, I'm not suggesting its implementation at all, just curious as to whether the "likes" or whatever they would be, were reflective of what may or may not be a minority.
what ive determined without reading any of this is that everyone who cares about smash is a stupid child, on both ends of the argument and also literally and figuratively depending on where you lie in the age bracket
but on the bright side, at least there aren't people going "yeah im excited to support transphobia" so u take what u can get
Damn im wise
but on the bright side, at least there aren't people going "yeah im excited to support transphobia" so u take what u can get
Damn im wise
Kinda amazed you're just doubling down so brazenly. But seeing you're one of those old low post accounts I shouldn't be surprised.
I can see why. It would encourage pulling for hot takes.
I live for this. I honestly feel if Last of Us2 isn't glorified as a GOTY finalist the reactions will be the same here.
Want to know why?!? Because most people on gaming side don't really have real problems. Other than which overpriced gaming chair to get, or if they go to OT, how to talk to someone in an actual conversation
I don't play Smash. The worst reaction I saw outside of here on YouTube was one guy saying "Damn, wish it was Crash as the new game is coming. Maybe next time!" And that was that.
Want to know why?!? Because most people on gaming side don't really have real problems. Other than which overpriced gaming chair to get, or if they go to OT, how to talk to someone in an actual conversation
I don't play Smash. The worst reaction I saw outside of here on YouTube was one guy saying "Damn, wish it was Crash as the new game is coming. Maybe next time!" And that was that.
This is a really dumb wall of shame grouping in loads of people that just don't like the addition. The fuck, people are allowed to be personally disappointed even though it's an obviously understandable pick.
The absolute best part of this thread, not the wall of shame, not the doubling down, but the reversal of narrative that somehow Mama is the badguy, not the posters who put their foot in their mouths.
Mama is such a fucking bully though, right guys???
Mama is such a fucking bully though, right guys???
The closest you get is polls. But they're enough to notice how a lot of times you can get results much different than you would expect from just reading the comments.
Not like I'm proposing it as a solution, but it was an important element that I feel like heavily influences how different we can perceive this forum's population.
the stupid quotes in the OP are more than just "I don't like thing," they're intensely bitter vitriol at possibly the most important gaming IP getting into Smash and it's just pathetic.
this board has a lot of problems, the attitude of trash-tier entitled gamers here is one of them
Lmaooo Shokio is garbage. Dude actually said in a video he would remove King Dedede if he was in charge of the roster.
Anyway, that op is embarrassing. I agree some of the posts don't belong, or that some were instant kneejerk reactions.
But even if half fall under those umbrellas, that's still a shit ton of horrible takes.
You can dislike the character, but crying because he made it in? Do you know what Minecraft is?
I hardly even played it growing up, but ffs. It's a fact that Minecraft is one of the biggest games of all time. In terms of influence, sales, community, staying power, recognition, the whole shebang.
It popularized the survival genre, helped grow the let's play and streaming scenes to new heights, paved the way for a huge focus on community creations and mods, got literally tens of millions of kids into gaming.
And that's not even getting into it's best asset:the amount of fun people have had with it. Near infinite replayability, a way to play for everyone, wide availability, etc.
You know what Nintendo franchises are on Minecraft's level? Mario and Pokemon. That's it. Just because you didn't grow up with this, doesn't mean others didn't.
And fyi, as someone born in 97, most of the audience for Minecraft when it first started out are now early 20's or older. Some kids we are, huh? Not like we've had to grow up faster than any other non-war generation in history.
This thread reminded of uncharted 3 review thread wall of shame
now i just realized it is the same OP :D
now i just realized it is the same OP :D
I'm completely out of touch with popular gaming culture, have no interest in Minecraft at all or using this character in Smash, but this was an excellent choice.
Fine if you don't like it, but those bitter hyperbolic comments are hilarious. (not saying all of the ones in the OP are tbf)
Fine if you don't like it, but those bitter hyperbolic comments are hilarious. (not saying all of the ones in the OP are tbf)
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Jesus, so many of those quotes are embarrassing -- I wonder if Jim Sterling needs any new material for Commentocracy, cause here it is?
I'm 35, an older millennial. I've played Minecraft just to try it, but I'm not into it myself so the character doesn't excite me on a personal level (because how can expect every character on an enormous roster to be just for you?). But it's so obviously earned. I mean how can you say that the most popular video game in history doesn't deserve a seat at the table? There's so much good here. It brings younger players into Smash. It adds some much need representation of women and POC to Smash. It looks flat-out fun to play.
I don't see much negative. Notch is no longer part of the equation. If it were Fortnite -- a theoretical parallel people like to draw -- Epic's dubious behavior would be an issue, but Microsoft seems to have turned Minecraft into a mostly positive endeavor. And the implementation looks wonderful. Sakurai's own passion for Minecraft is apparent (I'm sure all those people quoted in the fist post are much more hardcore gamers than Masahiro Fucking Sakurai, though) and the implementation is nothing short of impressive.
Is it for me? No. Is it pretty fucking cool? Absolutely. I don't understand why the distinction is so difficult for so many gamers.
Also, I'm still buying it.
I'm 35, an older millennial. I've played Minecraft just to try it, but I'm not into it myself so the character doesn't excite me on a personal level (because how can expect every character on an enormous roster to be just for you?). But it's so obviously earned. I mean how can you say that the most popular video game in history doesn't deserve a seat at the table? There's so much good here. It brings younger players into Smash. It adds some much need representation of women and POC to Smash. It looks flat-out fun to play.
I don't see much negative. Notch is no longer part of the equation. If it were Fortnite -- a theoretical parallel people like to draw -- Epic's dubious behavior would be an issue, but Microsoft seems to have turned Minecraft into a mostly positive endeavor. And the implementation looks wonderful. Sakurai's own passion for Minecraft is apparent (I'm sure all those people quoted in the fist post are much more hardcore gamers than Masahiro Fucking Sakurai, though) and the implementation is nothing short of impressive.
Is it for me? No. Is it pretty fucking cool? Absolutely. I don't understand why the distinction is so difficult for so many gamers.
Also, I'm still buying it.
Unless you work for Nintendo and are personally benefitting from Steve in Smash, saying it makes complete business sense (while probably true) does not mean others can't voice their displeasure of a wasted (in their opinion) character slot.
It's no different than people being annoyed when x character is revealed for a new Street Fighter game instead of y character.
It's no different than people being annoyed when x character is revealed for a new Street Fighter game instead of y character.
Of all the most popular community requested characters, I think Steve was the worst.
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