There's so much wrong with this post I don't know where to begin.
Playstation Store on PS3 / PSP closes down on July 2nd, PSV on August 27th (Download lists still available after closure)
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Yeah, kinda sucks you can't buy Gilgamesh anymore. It was damn exciting when I read it during its publication.
Nah, it's not MS either. It's the PC. The problem with all these digital stores when it comes to consoles is they all funnel through one bottleneck and if the end of that bottleneck shuts down, then you lose everything. PC being more open means there's multiple servers, easier to manage your bought content, easier to crack the DRM if a service shuts down which would lock you out of that content, and just in general way more options to handle things. If you care about legacy software, you want to be focusing on the PC side of things.
There are lots of films and TONNES of film content that are lost to time because they never got transferred to modern formats.
there are versions of movies and extra content completely stuck on laser disc for instance.
Here is a compiled list someone made that tracks movies that never made the jump to blu-ray
It's kind of disappointing it's only on there since it gets the very dark filter being on WiiU VC.
Presumably the sun will set on the 360 store too but Microsoft has demonstrated an entirely different approach and mindset to legacy content. A big part of their current strategy is building a multigenerational ecosystem. Now only are you still accessing content going back to the OG Xbox, some of those titles are enhanced. A title like Panzeer Dragoon Orta is playable in 4k, a 2002 game that was on the market before the PSP, PS3 and Vita.
Right now as a consumer, I feel more comfortable buying digital games within the Xbox ecosystem then I do Sony.
Maybe things would be different if more people treated videogames like the artistic medium they are. After all, this is essentially a megacorp throwing out decades of art just to boost their quarterlies or whatever.
Sony could have had the chance to unify the stores like Microsoft to mitigate this, but this, alongside not bothering with BC on systems older than PS4 just goes to show Sony is acting more than a little hostile regarding their past content.
Hey if they have some unopened phats I'd totally buy one if it was a good price
Hadn't even thought of Midnight Club, thanks!
I think I'll save that for whenever I get an Xbox, seeing as that seems like it'll actually carry over.
Not only laser disc, but there are movies that haven't seen a release on any other format than VHS, and have basically been impossible to obtain legally for 30+ years. I even bought one of those movies late last year, so I'll have to get it transferred to DVD, and that was a movie from 2001.
It's never crossed my mind either but for a lot of people that is what they think and believe. I've had this debate many times when it comes to physical vs digital and a very common argument that is put forth when I mention that servers will be shut down one day preventing you access from that paid content is that Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo aren't in danger of going out of business so they feel safe with their paid content. So people really do think it's forever as long as the company exists. This is why this is surprising a lot of people and why I think it's bad that people are thinking things are okay because they can still download their paid content because they still believe that it's in perpetuity.
Microsoft didn't completely unify their stores. There's Xbox 360 games that can only be bought with an Xbox 360 or from the older Xbox 360 store. Only backward compatible titles are allowed to be purchased from their new store.
So what's Sony's decision to close down the web store?
To me they just don't want people to play on the Ps3
To me they just don't want people to play on the Ps3
I'm aware of that, but at least MS is making some effort in this.
They were still putting titles on sale for those systems at least until like 2018 maybe even 2019. I bought a bunch of classic stuff for a few bucks a pop every few weeks
Michael Keaton's Multiplicity only got added in 2019. The Addam's Family movies only got put on Blu-Ray last year. It's insane how many aren't on the latest formats, a decade later.
It sucks that the old PSN web store is shut down, since that one is SUCH a better interface than the current, absurdly shitty one Sony crapped out. Not being able to buy PS3 games is otherwise not a concern for me at all on a personal level, but why even shut it down? It seriously can't be very resource-intensive to keep it up, especially considering they're retaining downloads of already-purchased items (which is of course a must in any case).
And yet that Industry still does a significantly better job at keeping their shit accessible.
Video games are in a position where keeping their shit accessible is easier than ever. But it isn't going to happen cause one company that is totally hurting for cash And also not totally collecting money every month to power their internet services said "oh no it's too expensive" whithout any other means of allowing access to that content.
You can't even say PS NOW is sufficient because it doesn't have access to the whole store. Just bits and pieces that is switched out.
This is certainly a take. Guess all of us should be around 50+ in age to play all the generations of games.
To me, this is taking away something that is available (ie removing existing services and offerings). Not just a few games, but entire catalogs.
But Microsoft stopped adding Xbox 360 and Xbox games to be backward compatible. So if the old store shuts down, and we should all assume it will at some point, all those Xbox 360 games will no longer be accessible. So they're no longer making effort for those platforms.
That doesn't dispute the point I was making against the post.
Of course there's lost content in all mediums of entertainment, but the idea of having to have played these games when they released, or that them not "aging well" is reason enough for them to be lost forever is absurd.
Should people not experience movies like Star Wars because of how it has aged over the last 40 years?
lol ok. That's a poor excuse and you know it. Sony changing and making sure the architecture is a clear example of them changing for the good. This happening isn't a good thing and they deserve to be called out for lack of backwards compatibility but pretending that it was a malicious example of them doing it is laughable at best. it's like the post claiming that sony is done.
People should be able to experience any game and any movie ever released and ideally be able to buy it all. Stuff like this just sucks in general and that's why I wish companies would be better at this.
Oh COURSE there's a defense force for this here. SMFH.
Terrible decision. When I can take my Lunar: Silver Star Story Complete PlayStation 1 discs, rip them to my laptop, throw the image on a flash drive and play it on a FUCKING XBOX SERIES S using Retroarch, there's absolute ZERO reason Sony cannot get AT LEAST those PS1 classics to run on a PS5. Fuck, some PS2 games run great on a Series S. That's just dumb that it's easier to play my old games on a competitor's console.
The only reason is they simply don't give a fuck and have the attitude where they think "we'll sell out of every PS5 we make for a long time so go fuck yourselfs."
I get it PS3 cell emulation is hard. It takes time and money. But you have people making a running PS3 emulator RIGHT NOW in their homes with zero official documentation or code, they just can't be assed to do it. Especially with Jim "why would I want to play those old games" Ryan at the helm.
Dumb all around and dumb are those defending this is any way. "Well you had your chance to play them 10 years ago!" Fuck outta here with that.
Rant over.
Terrible decision. When I can take my Lunar: Silver Star Story Complete PlayStation 1 discs, rip them to my laptop, throw the image on a flash drive and play it on a FUCKING XBOX SERIES S using Retroarch, there's absolute ZERO reason Sony cannot get AT LEAST those PS1 classics to run on a PS5. Fuck, some PS2 games run great on a Series S. That's just dumb that it's easier to play my old games on a competitor's console.
The only reason is they simply don't give a fuck and have the attitude where they think "we'll sell out of every PS5 we make for a long time so go fuck yourselfs."
I get it PS3 cell emulation is hard. It takes time and money. But you have people making a running PS3 emulator RIGHT NOW in their homes with zero official documentation or code, they just can't be assed to do it. Especially with Jim "why would I want to play those old games" Ryan at the helm.
Dumb all around and dumb are those defending this is any way. "Well you had your chance to play them 10 years ago!" Fuck outta here with that.
Rant over.
This isn't an argument at all. Maintaining compatibility with even a fraction of the content is better than just disregarding it all in favour of selling you the same version again with (in some cases) graphical upgrades when it's the only way of accessing that content with no alternative accessible way available.
People aren't arguing for preservation in an academic sense of these existing in a time capsule where nobody can play it but the software is preserved, this is absolutely about ease of access. Yes, some games will become lost as happens in other mediums, but this is a very definitive view that there's no care of even attempting to preserve two decades of, in many cases, classic and notable games.
Expect the Metal Gear Solid Legacy Collection to go up in price.
Maybe I can sell it to buy a new GPU
Maybe I can sell it to buy a new GPU
Let's be realistic here. The film and TV industry has a much easier job at keeping their shit accessible. Video content isn't dependent on some specific piece of hardware in order to view. It's much easier to put it on some video encoded format and find a way to distribute than a game is. I bet you if the costs and efforts were higher to do so, you would see a lot less legacy and smaller titles being released because it wouldn't be worth the effort.
I wish I was that naive to believe you
Nor that it matters cause Sony already killed a store that had digital only content.
Litteraly the only way to play those games are to grab a pegleg, your best eyepatch and your nicest boat.
This should never be acceptable.
That's a sad move from Sony. I guess PS3 and Vita trophy-syncing will stay available indefinitely thought?
At this point you really should be assuming any legacy server will shut down at some point. There is no indefinite server access.
My 64GB Vita memory card died last week, and I'm not willing to jailbreak because I can't gamble with my PSN account like that. Replacing it is going to be costly.
My PS3 is mostly in order with everything I want on it, since I went all digital around 2012, but I think I want to put an SSD in it for stability.
This is going to be a chore and expensive tho.
My PS3 is mostly in order with everything I want on it, since I went all digital around 2012, but I think I want to put an SSD in it for stability.
This is going to be a chore and expensive tho.
If I recall, that was put on hold because they were working on ensuring that all those plus the Xbone games will work on Series S/X. Now that the console is out, we can only presume that the program will be making a return.
Well, time to get radical and start releasing the source code for games then if publishers consider them no longer comercially viable.
Good point, well I guess I should replace the battery in my PS3 and finally CFW it :/
So since the Vita store is going down a month later, does that mean I can hold off on purchasing some things like PS1 classics that are available on both the Vita and PS3?
Just looking into this from what I can see there's tons of stuff already not available on the 360 marketplace. In the GB region, of the top thirty best selling games of all time, half of them don't seem to be purchasable. Is it different on the console itself or am I missing something? I get it with the licenced games but... Halo?
- FIFA 09, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15
- Forza Motorsport 3, 4
- Forza Horizon
- Halo 3, Halo Reach
- Battlefield 4
- Rock Band 3
Isn't there an issue with the Vita store not displaying all of the PS1 classics?
Damn, didn't know about this. Might just start with the Classics since they're so cheap!
Good for you, but I missed a ton of games and would like to have a chance to play them.
Not only that but I'd like to have a digital copy of my current library in case my drive ever gives up one day.
Sure, but there's a distinction to make between games that are delisted due to legal or technical issues and a platform holder choosing to take entire stores offline. The analogue on PC isn't the dozens upon dozens of games that have been rendered unavailable over the years due to licence expirations or whatever; rather, it would be if Valve were to suddenly say, "In three months, we'll no longer be selling content that released before Windows 8."
This and for some reason I feel like MS will find a way to just convert or transfer the content into the newest store front
007 Legends had DLC for the upcoming Skyfall movie. It was released for free when the game came out, to coincide with the movie. It was the final level of the game chronologically. Activison lost the license. That DLC is gone. There is literally no way to play the last level of the game on PS3. THANKFULLY the Wii U version contains it. But don't give me that nonsense that just because the GAME is available means it's all preserved.
Motorstorm requires a patch to access the DLC and other features like the time trial. Except, it was a launch title, and the patch system is in-game and NOT on Sony servers. Those servers are gone. So even if you DID buy the DLC, you can't download the patch anymore, so the access to that DLC is lost forever.
Same thing for Eye of Judgment and the Set 2 and Set 3 DLC for the game. Those are tied to defunct servers and paid DLC.
Other exclusive titles, like High Velocity Bowling or Pain, are a mess without their online servers, too.
While Hot Shots Gold World Invitational was sold digitally and physically on the Vita, the physical version was never released in the states. Digital only. Sure, I could import it from other countries, but unlike the Xbox, PS3 DLC is often region-locked to unique SKUs. So many of the courses and characters there are also going to be lost to time. Now do I need to maintain not only international accounts for games, but also WALLETS for them, too?
And don't get me started on Guitar Hero, Rock Band, or any of the other music games.
My point is that Valve has not pulled down swathes of titles like this. The games you are referring to were never on Steam to begin with. There are similarly many PlayStation games that never saw a digital release, but that's not the topic at hand here. As an example: the first game I bought on Steam was Portal back in 2007. I can still go on Steam and buy Portal in 2021. I will no longer be able to buy anything released digitally on a PlayStation prior to 2013 (and not everything after 2013 either, in the case of Vita and some cross-generation PS3 titles). Imagine if Valve had created such a hole in the Steam library. It'd be ridiculous.
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It's cool that I can still download my stuff. Otherwise I'll probably never touch those games again.
This doesn't really apply to the topic at hand but this sentence reminded me of instances where video game companies admitted that they didn't even have access to the code of their own older games anymore and had to reverse engineer and redo a ton of code for remasters.
You'd think companies would do a better job of preserving the hard work of hundreds of people over the course of multiple years which cost them millions of dollars... and then they just lose that code forever.
Mind boggling.