His comment says it was recorded at 1080p but uploaded to youtube as 4k for higher bitrate.
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His comment says it was recorded at 1080p but uploaded to youtube as 4k for higher bitrate.
it was one of the flute leaks from last year on userbenchmarks. though the flute was running the CPU at 3.2 ghz.
What? Why can't we call out his BS ? Is he a protected insider or something ? And please mod, remember why we left the old place and make a new "Era".
I am guessing after Ghost comes out Sony is going to go ham on ps5 promotion, right now my guess is they are holding back because they don't want to take the spot light away and want to maximize Ghost sales and press coverage.
Well, a more direct comparison would be Zen+ to Zen2 I think but even here it should be taken with a grain of salt as L2/L3 on a console CPU can usually be highly optimized for somewhat lessening the issue of them being smaller.
I think he has that wrong. Pretty sure only the RT reflections are running at 1080p 30fps not the entire game.
The same games that won't even take advantage of 4 cores on PC will be maxing out 7 cores on consoles? Are you expecting 120 car racing games with 2d sprites for visuals?
I'm not sure I can get behind the idea that 4k games will be cpu limited before they're gpu limited, on consoles.
Side note - not sure where else to put this without bumping a very old thread - but there'll be an Unreal 5 presentation at Unreal Fest Online tomorrow.
45 mins, from 1-1:45pm BST.
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Not sure if we should expect, finally, 'proper' technical detail on what it's doing with Nanite etc, but might be worth a peep.
45 mins, from 1-1:45pm BST.
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Unreal Fest Online 2020
Unreal Fest Online is a free one-day virtual event offering over 50 sessions across five industry tracks.
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Not sure if we should expect, finally, 'proper' technical detail on what it's doing with Nanite etc, but might be worth a peep.
You see the glow of the electric effect on the character models but the electricity is absent entirely from the reflection. It is very much a ray traced reflection that is ignoring the effect, which saves on performance.
DF said their version was locked at 1080p 30 fps.
Ah i see what you are saying now. So looks like ray traced reflections on buildings might be on the cards then.
Oh was this a PC game then? 2080ti is a two year old card and IMO Series X and PS5 will be better at RT reflections then that GPU. Can't imagine any developer shipping a 1080p 30fps game on either next gen console though. They'd rather cut out RT all together then to do that.
So we getting a HGIG set up and an unlocked frame rate option at a system level?
(Also hoping for invert y-axis at a system level too)
(Also hoping for invert y-axis at a system level too)
This was so useful back in the olden days on Xbox 360. I could set it once and just start playing new games right away. Now I have to always go into options of every single game and find where they put the option and what they called it for their specific version (if it's even included). Some games try to be smart by putting in some special section of limited options at the tutorial type section, but the approach is so inconsistent between different games, I just always go to the options screen.
Yeah, it drives me mad.
Talk about breaking the opening of nearly every game,(I also turn off subtitles).
360 had a great solution .
Just because it is newer doesn't mean it will be better, unfortunately. nVidia has its Tensor cores to aid with ray tracing. We will see how well AMD's solution performs. But comparing RT to nVidia's solution and expecting similar results is probably not something you should do (yet). We will see what happens when games start running ray tracing on these consoles and on yet to be released AMD cards on PC.
I'm not sure MS and Sony see hurting the second-hand market as a negative :)
One doesn't reflect on the other (see what I did there??). You have a lot of parameters in RT reflections which affect performance, you could have two RT reflection settings that have an order of magnitude difference in performance between them. So I don't think you should look at the reflection in game X that runs at resolution Y and infer how the same effect will perform in game Z. Even WD that you are talking about has 4 RT quality settings which probably yield different performance.So watch dogs runs at 1080p 30 fps with ray traced reflections on. What does this mean for ray traced reflections for buildings in Spiderman? jstevenson has already confirmed that the puddles will have ray tracing like we see in Watch Dogs, but we dont know if those skyscrapers will have ray traced reflections.
Watch dogs seems to be using screenspace reflections for rivers, but cars and building reflections seem to be handled by the rtx card.
The reflections behind spiderman in this clip look ray traced so there is hope, but it will be interesting to see how they get ray traced reflections running in an open world urban setting with hundreds of reflective buildings.
Looking forward to it.Side note - not sure where else to put this without bumping a very old thread - but there'll be an Unreal 5 presentation at Unreal Fest Online tomorrow.
45 mins, from 1-1:45pm BST.
Description:
Unreal Fest Online 2020
Unreal Fest Online is a free one-day virtual event offering over 50 sessions across five industry tracks.
Not sure if we should expect, finally, 'proper' technical detail on what it's doing with Nanite etc, but might be worth a peep.
If you watch the source 2160p YouTube trailer for Miles Morales, the electric discharge effects are reflected in both the right and rear reflections.
On the right it's clearest when Spider-Man's left arm passes his right leg as the yellow sparkles extend beyond the contour of the arm and contrast well against the foot. The sparkles are visible in the bright red area too but obviously it doesn't contrast so well, less still in a low-res, 256 colour dithered gif.
In the rear reflection the pulsing yellow is much brighter and more distinctly animated than just the small amount of diffused yellow light cast on Spider-Man's suit.
On the right it's clearest when Spider-Man's left arm passes his right leg as the yellow sparkles extend beyond the contour of the arm and contrast well against the foot. The sparkles are visible in the bright red area too but obviously it doesn't contrast so well, less still in a low-res, 256 colour dithered gif.
In the rear reflection the pulsing yellow is much brighter and more distinctly animated than just the small amount of diffused yellow light cast on Spider-Man's suit.
Side note - not sure where else to put this without bumping a very old thread - but there'll be an Unreal 5 presentation at Unreal Fest Online tomorrow.
45 mins, from 1-1:45pm BST.
Description:
Unreal Fest Online 2020
Unreal Fest Online is a free one-day virtual event offering over 50 sessions across five industry tracks.
Not sure if we should expect, finally, 'proper' technical detail on what it's doing with Nanite etc, but might be worth a peep.
DualSense shows up in Malaysian regulatory database.
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DualSense Controller Appears in SIRIM; Malaysia One of the First Markets to Get PlayStation 5?
The PlayStation 5 is expected to be introduced globally by the end of the year, though it's not certain if Malaysia will be one of the first markets to receive the next-generation console. Well, we now have an answer (sort of): the DualSense controller for the PS5 has just been spotted on SIRIM, sug
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We're getting closer. Brace yourselves!DualSense shows up in Malaysian regulatory database.
DualSense Controller Appears in SIRIM; Malaysia One of the First Markets to Get PlayStation 5?
The PlayStation 5 is expected to be introduced globally by the end of the year, though it's not certain if Malaysia will be one of the first markets to receive the next-generation console. Well, we now have an answer (sort of): the DualSense controller for the PS5 has just been spotted on SIRIM, sug
that's.... a surprise.DualSense shows up in Malaysian regulatory database.
DualSense Controller Appears in SIRIM; Malaysia One of the First Markets to Get PlayStation 5?
The PlayStation 5 is expected to be introduced globally by the end of the year, though it's not certain if Malaysia will be one of the first markets to receive the next-generation console. Well, we now have an answer (sort of): the DualSense controller for the PS5 has just been spotted on SIRIM, sug
It's also breaking down the UE5 demo even more. A few mentions of PS5 in it here n there so far, I'm at 18 minutes in.
They mentioned Hellblade 2. It was a section about character scans, models.
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I keep thinking of FFVIIR-2 with the models from the CG cutscenes just transferred into UE5.
DLSS 2.0 is crazy. It more than doubles the framerate while making the game look better.
they are running the game at 4k 60+ fps on a rtx 2060 with DLSS 2.0 at max settings. we need this on consoles.
they are running the game at 4k 60+ fps on a rtx 2060 with DLSS 2.0 at max settings. we need this on consoles.
Why does the "real" maximum 4k look less detailed as the "DLSS 4k" ?
If I had to guess, I'd say it's interpolating additional detail where there actually isn't any.
I haven't watched that particular video yet, but I agree that next-gen needs this. When it looks this good, who gives a shit if it's "native".
Dictator is making a separate video on it. it has to do with the way the game renders certain objects. there was ghosting in Fragile's hair that is better resolved in the DLSS image because of the way it is being reconstructed.
i think this is the future.
Not really. Apparently they have some kind of DirectML support but it doesn't come close to the tensor cores.
Also I don't believe the PS5 GPU has actually been confirmed to have no form of machine learning hardware. It just hasn't been mentioned either way. I believe there was a PS5 article where a dev mentioned something about machine learning, though.
Yes, the DLSS technique is really great.
It shows that native 4k isn't needed.
Maybe Death stranding doesn't even have 4k textures, because the "real" 4k images in this video looking nothing like something in real 4k.
But the big take away is the framerate, i think the graphical difference is just some added marketing.
MS actually already talked about it, it's called DirectML Super Resolution:
On the right native 1080p, on the left DirectML Super Resolution from the same native 1080p to 4K.
There was also some talk about using this in order to use lower-res textures. So imagine having 2K textures on the SSD, 2K textures are sent into VRAM and once the GPU tries to read a page of these textures, it uses DirectML Super Resolution in order to up-res it to 4K. The idea is that textures will take 1/4th the install space on the SSD and the transfer rate of the SSD will be x4 faster for textures (on top of compression) while the penalty is GPU ML workload to up-res the textures in real-time every time they are read (and obviously whatever artifacts or inaccuracies ML up-resing introduce).
Exactly. I expect we'll be hearing a lot of this after some DF analyses for next-gen, when one or the other (or both) aren't hitting full 4K, but it takes a 500% zoom and hours of pixel counting to figure it out.
"If you can't tell, does it matter?"
Of course, for some people, it will always matter. /sigh
This is for xbox not ps5, I am saying the ps5 won't have this tech at all. Maybe an upgraded checker boarding at best.MS actually already talked about it, it's called DirectML Super Resolution:
On the right native 1080p, on the left DirectML Super Resolution from the same native 1080p to 4K.
There was also some talk about using this in order to use lower-res textures. So imagine having 2K textures on the SSD, 2K textures are sent into VRAM and once the GPU tries to read a page of these textures, it uses DirectML Super Resolution in order to up-res it to 4K. The idea is that textures will take 1/4th the install space on the SSD and the transfer rate of the SSD will be x4 faster for textures (on top of compression) while the penalty is GPU ML workload to up-res the textures in real-time every time they are read (and obviously whatever artifacts or inaccuracies ML up-resing introduce).
Is AMD working on anything like this? I'd quite like to see a mid gen refreshed PS5 that can do this so it could basically just run every base PS5 game at 60fps guaranteed and even at higher resolutions for some as well. That's all the upgrade I'd really be interested in anyway, that and a larger internal storage.
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PS5 GPU have too from what EA chef studio officer said some ML instruction.
There is nothing added to the XSX for ML that the PS5 wouldn't have as well. It's part of the AMD RDNA2 spec.
I think this depends a lot more on software development than big differences in the compute hardware.
Contrary to a prior post, the Series X does not have 'AI cores'. Any neural network processing would happen on the shader cores.
In the Digital Foundry article on Series X there is mention of rapid-packed-math instruction set targeting lower precision processing. Andrew Goosen said 'we added special hardware support for this specific scenario' - referencing support for 4-bit and 8-bit integer ops. I'm not sure what 'special' was added here, but it's worth noting that RDNA (1, not 2) already had some 4-bit and 8-bit integer op support for greater throughput on some of the ALU hardware. I'm not sure it's clear yet if RDNA2 has improved that further, or what PS5 has adopted (although Sony was a keen early adopter of RPM so I'd say they're at least taking whatever RDNA2 is offering).
I doubt Sony isn't working on ML too, MS is just really deep into it for the past few years.
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Any GPU can run ML, even the PS4, it will just run on the shaders, the question is how optimized your API and hardware are for these tasks. We know MS is pushing hard in this direction with things like D3D12 Metacommands that can accelerate ML by x2.5, the DirectML API and we also know MS went for INT4 and INT8 in their flavor of RDNA2 in the XSX (maybe Sony too, we don't know yet). We just haven't really heard much from Sony in that regard so we are in the dark right now on PS5 and ML.
Almost every architecture from the past few years has RPM in some SKUs and doesn't in other SKUs. If MS said they've asked for it, it probably means there are some RDNA2 GPUs with RPM and some GPUs without. If Sony asked for RPM in their flavor of RDNA2 we don't know yet. It's not something extraordinarily special, but it is something you need to intentionally "add" to your GPU.
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worth discussing, vs the PS5 Solution. It pretty much confirms that MS is using less hardware when it comes to I/O than what sony is using. It seems they do have a custom controller on the SSD, Hardware decompression, but everything else is pretty much Software related. however the sampler feedback seems to help with streaming from the SSD.
Do Playstation games even run on DirectX, i mean, do the PS1, PS2, PS3, PS4 or PS5 game versions of any game use DIrectX?
I don't think so, but maybe i'm wrong.
I'm pretty sure sony will not get DLSS from Nvidia and will not use DirectML from DirectX12.
Maybe they will update their Supersampling with machine learning.
I don't think so, but maybe i'm wrong.
I'm pretty sure sony will not get DLSS from Nvidia and will not use DirectML from DirectX12.
Maybe they will update their Supersampling with machine learning.
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Yeah, they're certainly going to be taking 'something' though, to maintain BC with Pro. And it's probably easier to take the standard RDNA2 offering here than something 'cut back' (e.g. to exclude the 4-bit/8-bit integer support). I certainly wouldn't assume PS5 'won't have this tech at all' if we're referring to those supports anyway, per Sia's post... the opposite is probably more likely.
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