i don't think they're gonna be subtle at all aka children speared/burning/screaming/crying
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[OPEN SPOILERS] GAME OF THRONES S8 |*FULL LEAK DISCUSSION*| IT IS KNOWN
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i don't think they're gonna be subtle at all aka children speared/burning/screaming/crying
This season is so poorly produced/directed that it is probably one of the more predictable shows in recent memory now.
You will see a bunch of shit that tries to build up this half ass heel turn of "MaD QuEeN" complete with children burning alive and the likes.
I hope the books do the ending in reverse order. Ie. Resolve the throne question then deal with the Others. Or resolve both at same time by killing Cersei and holding off on politics until after the Others are defeated. Either way, Jon could get Lightbringer by killing Dany, use that to win, and then run away to the north to avoid the politics.
Or something like that. I dunno. It just seems lame to end the series with fighting over the throne, the Long Night should have been the real final boss imo.
Or something like that. I dunno. It just seems lame to end the series with fighting over the throne, the Long Night should have been the real final boss imo.
it's so pathetic people keep trying to act like brutally killing slave traders is a bad thing. Especially after she let them live and they kept attacking her and the slaves. People who continue to push this contactless narrative are wasting everyone's time.
Yes, and people are designating her to be following that path when it's not even fucking close to a fair comparison. Especially because cersi fits this description much better
I think fAegon will be dealt with(Cersei's arc is pretty much done in the books, she's not getting the throne) in DoD 2.0, and then they go to Winterfell and Jon has to sacrifice Dany to end the Others threat.
It will, she has to content with fAegon, Stannis and Cersei as soon as she arrives. There's now the others attack before all that (they could attack and kill Stannis as she is fighting faegon, I think that makes sense)
and how did she make sure everyone crucified was a slave trader? in the books it's hinted that many of the "slave traders" crucified were patsies, though i don't think that made it in the show, but there certainly was no reason to think that special care was taken to make sure everyone killed was truly guilty. how could there be in a mass execution?
I mean, it likely saved her life, unless you think she would have survived the battle at Winterfell.
Ever heard of casualties of war? The people of kings landing have an evil dictator who killed the advisor and child of a foreigner with an army. The fact that the citizens of Kong's landing never rioted or try to oust her make them collateral damage. Anyone who stayed in kings landing after the field of fire must be of the mind that Cersei will protect them. That makes them loyal to her. Dany gotta do what she gotta do.
They did riot (killed a septon, threw shit at Joffrey) plus brought about the high sparrow too in an effort to undermine the power of the queen. The show has just forgotten this. What you say does not make them 'loyal' to her at all.
It would be hilarious if suddenly the folks of KL are an issue for anything given how much of a non factor they've been.
So much has happened in KL, including the Sept being blown up and these folks have barely been shown, let alone to any extent in actually mattering.
But for the finale of the show, their deaths, and significance for the first time, will determine the fate of one of the primary characters. Pretty amazing really.
So much has happened in KL, including the Sept being blown up and these folks have barely been shown, let alone to any extent in actually mattering.
But for the finale of the show, their deaths, and significance for the first time, will determine the fate of one of the primary characters. Pretty amazing really.
its pretty amazing how people keep making this argument despite how insane it sounds
This show really is fucking terrible now. Its such a fucking heartbreaking shame.
the counter argument is "we have never seen good people in kings landing, we just have to assume by mathematical probability some exist."
You made my response for me, this never happened in the show. Not only are you ignoring context of what actually happened but now you're pulling in from outside material that doesnt even explicitly state that what you're saying is true either.
It is covered in the show. In season 4 she crucified hundreds of masters as soon as she got to Meereen but many of them were just high class citizens that didn't own slaves.
i get people that want danaerys on the throne. she has been the absolute mvp in the entire series. hope the leaks are based on fake endings.
its not made clear in the show
its not made clear in the show
I think you misunderstood?
I'm not saying that there's not good folks in Kings Landing. I'm saying it's a largely unused group of individuals that will contribute to the downfall of a primary character despite not having an impact in the rest of the show in much of anything.
What will prevent Dany from sitting on the Iron Throne is a group of people that have rarely mattered up until this season and will only matter so much as to "justify" Jon killing Dany.
The Tarly's broke their oath to their liege lords and were given he choice. She did the same thing Aegon the Conqueror did when he took over Westeros. I really can't think of many other instances, she burned the one master dude underneath Mereen. She has listened to reason more often than not when she's trusted her advisors, her advisors now have shit the bed and costed her everything. She should have just flown to the Red Keep and made Cersei either die or bend the knee from the beginning. That the show is deciding to use the logic of "But what will the common people think if you do that?" now when Cersei blew up the Vatican is just ridiculous.
That's not the counter argument. The counter argument is that what she is doing is morally wrong, even in this society, despite what you think of the common folk. The common folk supporting Cersei or the crown does not automatically make them bad people when they lack education and the means to enrich their lives.
Plus there is preusmably no reason to start slaughtering everyone but the Unsullied and Dany do it anyway, that apparently happens after they destroy Euron, the GC turns, and throne is practically in reach. They are completely innocent people.
There's literally a scene in season 4 where one of the high class citizens asks Daenerys to bury his crucified father because he and other masters were innocent.
I mean, don't blame me, Dany is the one that's been going around the world claiming to be the breaker of chains and the only one with a claim to the throne that would actually give a damn about normal people by breaking the wheel. I'm not going to judge Dany's actions by how everyone else in Westeros has behaved, but by the bar she set for herself ever since she started expanding her power.
That's fair to an extent. But it doesn't really square away with what the show is presenting as a "mad queen" turn.
It makes her a normal conqueror, not a mad one. There's only one person in the show that can be characterized as a mad queen, and that's Cersei.
No matter how many characters, acting as the show runners mouth pieces, call Dany "mad" it won't make it so.
The problem is about no one care about KL's people, if there was minor characters there maybe, but literally thousands are cheering for Dany to burn them and cant really bring my heart to care about nameless faceless extras suddenly. If they spent more time among the people, maybe showing Cersei placing wildfire bombs all around KL to deter Dany from burning all to the ground. What Im trying to say is show me why I should care, instead of telling me I should
i didn't pull from outside material, i was simply pointing out that justice is never going to be achieved through mass execution, something that should be obvious even if the show does not state it explicitly.
I mean, having empathy for those in the line of fire is just a standard thing here, that's part of the reason the behavior of many of the high-born characters is frowned upon even though we don't really see or know any actual peasant that's currently in the line of fire in KL.
i actually don't remember, did he do anything bad on the show? i think he died protecting dany.
i totally agree, when you kill people in grand theft auto i hope youre fine with random people murdering others in real life
How? It was revealed he had nothing to do with the Harpy's so all the stuff Dany did to him in season 5 was pointless and not justified.
Congrats on making a post that's both dumb as rocks and mindbogglingly offensive.
no one is cheering for this to happen, the camps are basically
Team Dany - we don't want her dead and want the best possible ending for her and probably on the throne, also why kill her for burning the common folk lol none of them are "good"
Team Story - actually Dany going mad queen has been hinted at and developed throughout the show and the books and Jon killing her and one of her last shots alive being her reaching for the throne is as tragic and beautiful as a "Game of Thrones" ending could get, also burning thousands of innocent people is like a bad thing you know.
I'm team "sure this is a good concept on paper and I'm sure it will be executed well in the books, but D&D have not done it justice"
If you think railing against this season's overtly misogynistic and poorly written treatment of Daenerys means that fans wanted everything to be sunshine and rainbows for her, you aren't engaging in remotely good faith. But cute summary.
and you don't think that's a rush to judgment?
when we already know there's more than enough reason for her to go crazy?
when we have 3 hours left?
when lots of the leaks will be wrong and many may have not leaked yet?
I like how the second someone (and by someone I mean women who are fucking tired of this show's bullshit getting a pass) bring up the fact that this whole plotline (and season but lol who's counting) is wildly misogynistic we're accused of being either butthurt losers who are smad our fave's not getting a fairytale ending or PC Police who need to just turn off our brains and stop nitpicking every single thing as if the biggest show on television being massively sexist (and racist, and homophobic...) isn't a big deal because, as we all know, fiction does not affect reality.
But that's none of my business.
I haven't heard a single person suggest something otherwise. What would be an acceptable ending for Daenerys that doesn't involve victory, in your mind?
And you're the one conflating my post with you/others "railing against the overly misogynistic writing". Im quite literally talking about fans of her character, many in this thread, that wanted her to win.
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