Basically what it boils down to. Creeping on women ain't ok, and sexualizing children ain't ok.
Basically what it boils down to. Creeping on women ain't ok, and sexualizing children ain't ok.
Hm, okay. I'll retract what I've said before, timing still bothers me, but OP has given enough reason to not take his intentions as bad faith.I feel like people who are questioning the intent of this thread missed the staff post in the last thread that encouraged someone to make this thread:
Because she has 718k Twitter followers and has a fairly sizeable following within the FGC. Are you saying that this sort of thing shouldn't be talked about? Or is right now just the wrong time for it?
this is why you don't understand. Malicious intent is not a prerequisite of blackface. It can be innocuous and equally as inappropriate.I really don't see what she does as yellowface.
A key aspect of blackface, or any "-face", is doing something in a way that is demeaning/dehumanizing or was used in the past in such a way, and is meant to look like a person "without" makeup on. Here she is not doing any "asian" features in a demeaning or dehumanizing way. She is lightening her skin and doing her makeup in a way that many asian women do but again that is a makeup regimen. She isn't doing a Mr. Yunioshi routine by any means.
We can get into a whole discussion on the use of makeup to simulate other skin types and colors (whitening/lightening, making eyes look bigger, etc. is a thing pretty much EVERYWHERE), and we can even get into a discussion of where the line of appropriation is. I mean is what she's doing here worse than what Ariana Grande does every day? Or any other number of white girls tanning or "blaccenting" or whatever else?
All of that aside, on topic with the OT, I do have to say I'm a bit suspicious of this coming up now, about her specifically, due to the recent controversy. I don't mean the person who posted this thread in particular, just the sudden noise about this. This kind of thing is really not uncommon in anime circles, but she is being singled out suddenly? I'm not defending it, I think it's gross, but that issue with anime is a LOT more far-reaching than one girl on the internet.
The term you're looking for is "blackfishing" regarding white influencers/models trying to appear black on Insta. That's what I'd compare this to. "Yellowfishing" I guess?I really don't see what she does as yellowface.
A key aspect of blackface, or any "-face", is doing something in a way that is demeaning/dehumanizing or was used in the past in such a way, and is meant to look like a person "without" makeup on. Here she is not doing any "asian" features in a demeaning or dehumanizing way. She is lightening her skin and doing her makeup in a way that many asian women do but again that is a makeup regimen. She isn't doing a Mr. Yunioshi routine by any means.
We can get into a whole discussion on the use of makeup to simulate other skin types and colors (whitening/lightening, making eyes look bigger, etc. is a thing pretty much EVERYWHERE), and we can even get into a discussion of where the line of appropriation is. I mean is what she's doing here worse than what Ariana Grande does every day? Or any other number of white girls tanning or "blaccenting" or whatever else?
There are likely thousands of people like her. I wonder why all of a sudden we're talking about her? Must be just because!
The only way it's ever been explained to me in a way that made sense was, "we're making material for children, so it makes sense that we would make material that children would want to see, and when your demographic is 12-18 year old boys, that includes sexual content", which is bullshit. Even if you want to make material of a "sexual" or more likely, emotional nature you can do so without submitting yourself to immediate pedophilia. There are plenty of good anime shows out there that tackle the concepts of love, sex, desire and everything in between without forcing 15 year olds to strip. When you make shows that only exist to sexualize minors, you're doing so willingly, with motive. It's never an accident or misrepresentation, you know what you're doing.
I remember getting banned for 3 days at the old place because I refused to not point out that Kill a Kill is nothing but underaged kids being objectified for the viewers gaze with very little substance or meaning between connecting messages, because they didn't wanna hear it.
It's this 90% of the time.
Again, there are so many comparisons to be made about the idea that people just "need to be shown why their thoughts are harmful" that it's frankly ridiculous that they would need to be made. Excuses should not be made for an entire group of people.You are completely ignoring the fact that the normalization occurs during childhood for the vast majority of people, and that many of those people were either directly abused using this material or more indirectly abused by their exposure to it at a young age.
Yeah, you are right that if a fully developed adult saw this stuff they would immediately know it was wrong, but that's not how the majority of people are exposed to this stuff or how it becomes normalized to them.
The people who abused me were showing me this stuff at 13, 14 years old and telling me it was fine and OK and what they were doing to me was good. And I was supposed to just immediately understand that was wrong? That's extremely ignorant.
Because the mods encouraged that a separate thread be made. Because someone saw her come up recently and felt the need to bring it to light. I cannot and will not speak for the intentions of the person that made the thread, but christ almighty. We're at a time when people speaking up is encouraging other people to speak up. Even if it's speaking up against them because you've been exposed to something in the past.What is materially different today than a week ago? Wasn't she just as popular a week ago? Why didn't we talk about her then?
The fact is that she has levied credible sexual harassment allegations against the creator of a game many people like. When stuff like this happens, the character assassination begins. How am I supposed to read this as anything other than character assassination meant to invalidate her claims? Especially when she's not unique in any way compared to larger cosplay culture except those pesky allegations.
It's not a prerequisite anymore because it was used solely with malicious intent previously and so it's impossible to separate from its prior use. And again even if she is attempting to "look more asian" it doesn't mean the same thing as "yellowface."this is why you don't understand. Malicious intent is not a prerequisite of blackface. It can be innocuous and equally as inappropriate.
Thanks, I'm unfortunately not super up-to-date on the discourse around that. But "yellowfishing," I could definitely agree with that, yeah.The term you're looking for is "blackfishing" regarding white influencers/models trying to appear black on Insta. That's what I'd compare this to. "Yellowfishing" I guess?
Good, you get it. It's entirely possible for both people to be shitty. It is here.
These people use the same tired defenses in every single thread like there isn't already a rebuttal. Why even be on the defensive about either of these people?If you know another person with a huge following who are doing these sick stuffs, go right ahead and share them here. Thousands of them right?
I get the mindset. The media has a habit of bringing up small past transgressions to diminish claims people make. That's good to fight back against. What's not good to fight back against is this pedophile stuff.These people use the same tired defenses in every single thread like there isn't already a rebuttal. Why even be on the defensive about either of these people?
She clearly is passing an image of japanese girl, from her makeup, to her nickname to the poses she makes in pics. But thers actually nothing wrong about that. Japanese ppl find that cute and not offensive. There was also another white girl that was acused by western ppl of cultural apropriation because she was wearing a traditiunal japanese kimono. So what she decided to do while she was in japan was to wear a traditional kimono, and whent to the streets asking japanese ppl, especially elders, what they tought of foreighner wearing traditional japanese cloths like a kimono. They all said they love the fact that foreigners like they culture and dont see any problem in wearing traditional japanese clothing, as long you wearing them correctly and respecting the culture, they dont see anything wrong with that.I feel y'all are really reaching with the "trying to look Asian" comments. She's always looked white to me and still does, she just has make up on. What of it?
As for the shota stuff, yeah, it's pretty gross. Her girlfriend (not sure if they're together still) has the same mindset as her
Sure! But to make my argument simpler, there is no excuse (in my opinion) for an adult that needs to be told that the sexualization of minors is wrong or bad.
There are a million comparisons I could make about how some people just "need to be educated" as to why their thoughts and actions harm other people but they shouldn't need to be made.
Is this the final trasformation to people that watch to much anime? Do they end up fancing under-age girls and boys because they are very sexualized in most of the anime shows. So this people just think it is normal?
These people use the same tired defenses in every single thread like there isn't already a rebuttal. Why even be on the defensive about either of these people?
She clearly is passing an image of japanese girl, from her makeup, to her nickname to the poses she makes in pics. But thers actually nothing wrong about that. Japanese ppl find that cute and not offensive. There was also another white girl that was acused by western ppl of cultural apropriation because she was wearing a traditiunal japanese kimono. So what she decided to do while she was in japan was to wear a traditional kimono, and whent to the streets asking japanese ppl, especially elders, what they tought of foreighner wearing traditional japanese cloths like a kimono. They all said they love the fact that foreigners like they culture and dont see any problem in wearing traditional japanese clothing, as long you wearing them correctly and respecting the culture, they dont see anything wrong with that.
Most of the outrage reaction you see are pretty much white ppl outraged at white ppl.
The fact Bunny Ayumi likes to see lewd underaged anime boys is where the problem is. Is creepy AF.
Like the jokes and stuff? Naw, if you deal with a lot of people who like anime but don't think about the themes behind said anime, you get a lot of people making off color jokes because "lol so funny". I've made a "life and hometown" joke or two in my day, I'll admit it. I also absolutely rally against the source that said jokes stem from.Is this the final trasformation to people that watch to much anime? Do they end up fancing under-age girls and boys because they are very sexualized in most of the anime shows. So this people just think it is normal?
She clearly is passing an image of japanese girl, from her makeup, to her nickname to the poses she makes in pics. But thers actually nothing wrong about that. Japanese ppl find that cute and not offensive.
I don't think the discussion should devolve into semantics or the nuances of racial insensitivity.It's not a prerequisite anymore because it was used solely with malicious intent previously and so it's impossible to separate from its prior use. And again even if she is attempting to "look more asian" it doesn't mean the same thing as "yellowface."
Thanks, I'm unfortunately not super up-to-date on the discourse around that. But "yellowfishing," I could definitely agree with that, yeah.
This is where I stand on it too. If I look at her photos and ask myself if it represents a harmful stereotype of asians or asian americans, I honestly don't see it. Maybe other asians/asian americans do and that's perfectly valid. But just the fact that she seems to like filters and kpop-esque aesthetics doesn't immediately strike me as harmful. A lot of people love that look.She clearly is passing an image of japanese girl, from her makeup, to her nickname to the poses she makes in pics. But thers actually nothing wrong about that. Japanese ppl find that cute and not offensive. There was also another white girl that was acused by western ppl of cultural apropriation because she was wearing a traditiunal japanese kimono. So what she decided to do while she was in japan was to wear a traditional kimono, and whent to the streets asking japanese ppl, especially elders, what they tought of foreighner wearing traditional japanese cloths like a kimono. They all said they love the fact that foreigners like they culture and dont see any problem in wearing traditional japanese clothing, as long you wearing them correctly and respecting the culture, they dont see anything wrong with that.
Most of the outrage reaction you see are pretty much white ppl outraged at white ppl.
The fact Bunny Ayumi likes to see lewd underaged anime boys is where the problem is. Is creepy AF.
I agree with this. My main point of ire was the idea that her upbringing should excuse her actions, because I am 100% against that notion. It's vital to hold someone accountable for their views and to not seek out a reason for their actions that makes it seem okay.I get that, and if this world were more perfect (or at least less shitty) that would be the case.
But alas, here we are, groomed by the media that we consume often leading us to a place where we don't question awful behavior because we see it all the time. That's society. It's why people don't understand why BLM is so important, it's why we were okay with kids being locked in cages.
I ABSOLUTELY 100% empathize with anyone who says, "I do not have the energy to educate these racist/sexist/other idiots who threaten me and mine with their warped way of thinking", I know personally how excusing that can be. But at the same time, I'm glad that when I needed it, someone was there to grab me by the arm and take me aside and ask, "you know what you're saying or what their doing is fucked up right?"
My dude.It's not even like I'm going "She's a pedohpile, Mike Z is vindicated!" I don't give a single fuck about Mike Z.
She's been getting called out in this shit numerous of times since October because she doubles, triples, quadruples down on it all the damn time. And as somebody active in that community I felt it was fine thing to discuss.
Her accusation of Mike Z is valid. Mike Z is a disgusting sex pest that needs to be put to task.
She is also a pedophile adjacent creep with a slew of other things to not fuck with her for like. Like cosplaying as a grown woman that goes around sexually assaulting little boys.
These two things can be true lol.
Like we legit have people in here talking about having to be taught that sexualizing children is not okay. Like she's 26 years old, and y'all in here going "she probably doesn't know any better because she grew up liking anime" ?
LOL. Not only is that a large sweeping generalization, but it's also very unfair and untrue to dismiss legitimate feelings like that. I would agree that it's a blurry line and somewhat subjective, but come on.Most of the outrage reaction you see are pretty much white ppl outraged at white ppl.
We find common ground.
Nope. Try again.My dude.
For real.
If you wanna talk about BunnyAyumi's behavior, you need to stop contextualizing it against the mike Z allegations. You haven't done that at all in this entire thread and its YOUR THREAD! If you actually believe her behavior is abhorrent, then her allegation against MikeZ shouldn't even factor in to your argument, but you keep bringing it up. That's why people are giving you the side eye here.
The media we consume is partially responsible for our view of the world. Loli/Shotacon goes towards normalizing attraction towards child-like appearances. Which, shockingly enough, is often found in children!It's fucked up, but on the other hand we're still talking about cartoons here. Unless someone was actively hurt/targeted by her she can be trash as much as she likes imho.
I guess I can't recognise yellowface when I see it 2 so I'll take you guys word for it. Honestly if someone says they don't see it it's probably because they really don't see it. She doesn't look asian in either photo so it must be really bad yellowface or somethin. I don't use filters and wouldn't know this had one unless someone said something
My dude.
For real.
If you wanna talk about BunnyAyumi's behavior, you need to stop contextualizing it against the mike Z allegations. You haven't done that at all in this entire thread and its YOUR THREAD! If you actually believe her behavior is abhorrent, then her allegation against MikeZ shouldn't even factor in to your argument, but you keep bringing it up. That's why people are giving you the side eye here.
It's telling that you're showing me this and the only thing I can say is "....So?"
It's fucked up, but on the other hand we're still talking about cartoons here.
This thread is fucking disgusting.She clearly is passing an image of japanese girl, from her makeup, to her nickname to the poses she makes in pics. But thers actually nothing wrong about that. Japanese ppl find that cute and not offensive.
I've made my position extremely clear while never once connecting this discussion which has LITERALLY NOTHING TO DO WITH MIKE Z.
Do you hear yourself? If I had not prefaced this the way I did. The same comments would've been in here like "I wonder why this came up now? Hmmmm?" like please don't be naive lol.
Normal is relative unfortunately.