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That is absolutely not a conclusion that can be drawn at this point. There is very little actual data on this variant at the moment. Wait for data.
And ignore anything that comes from the Daily Mail of all places.
I guess the biggest fear is that eventually we end up with something that can re-infect people that have had delta. That would be fucking disastrous.
Still, completely hypothetical, so nothing to be actively worried about right now.
Still, completely hypothetical, so nothing to be actively worried about right now.
Considering how dumb a considerable part of the european populations is better sooner than later.
Finally rapid enough reaction. The data looks nasty but this gives time to study the variant.
No, the vaccines we have now are still highly effective against severe covid/death, and we also have effective treatment (new pills from Pfizer and Merck) that should be available more widely soon, and we understand the virus better literally every day.
It's just a matter of time before we win this, there's really no doubt about that. The only concern is how many (mostly unvaccinated) people will die before we do and how much economic damage will we inflict while having to contain it.
The virus wouldn't be able to survive with the level of mutation that would be needed to accomplish that more than likely. Most mutations are not beneficial to the actual virus
USA needs to. I fear it's too late now that it's in Hong Kong. We will need to keep a close eye on this one but vaccines should still provide some protection. Increased antibody evasion doesn't mean complete evasion.
Realistically it's already in the U.S due to our lack of travel restrictions/protections and due to our terrible genomic sequencing we won't know for a while. We're probably a much bigger danger of it spreading then Hong Kong.
Yeah lets be real here, limited travel bans don't do shit except delaying the inevitable, if you want it to work you need a complete ban on everyone from everywhere. You can ban people from traveling from these African nations all you want, it only means the virus will first have to spread to a country not on your travel ban list.
True but sometimes slowing something down is enough to get a head start studying and developing on a new vaccine if necessary. Not saying that's needed here but it doesn't hurt as a temporary measure.
Speed of travel bans depends mostly on the color of the majority of the population.
Delaying is still extremely helpful, and its not always inevitable. Travel bans help, obviously they alone won't be the solution especially when this has already probably spread all over the world undetected but they are not useless.
Sometimes but not always, the UK dithered over India earlier this year.
For real, some of you guys doomposting need to chill out. Case in point:
New COVID variants Epsilon, Lambda may be resistant to vaccines
Welp. https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2021/08/new-covid-variants-epsilon-lambda-may-be-resistant-to-vaccines-early-lab-studies-show.html And here's the fun part: Might want to hurry up with those booster shots.
www.resetera.com
Why Scientists Are Very Worried About The Variant From Brazil
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/01/27/961108577/why-scientists-are-very-worried-about-the-variant-from-brazil
www.resetera.com
Now go back to when information just started coming out about Delta and people were told to chill out and relax and accused of "doom posting".For real, some of you guys doomposting need to chill out. Case in point:
New COVID variants Epsilon, Lambda may be resistant to vaccines
Welp. https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2021/08/new-covid-variants-epsilon-lambda-may-be-resistant-to-vaccines-early-lab-studies-show.html And here's the fun part: Might want to hurry up with those booster shots.
Why Scientists Are Very Worried About The Variant From Brazil
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/01/27/961108577/why-scientists-are-very-worried-about-the-variant-from-brazil
Fair point! Still, I don't think it is good for people's mental health to worry so much with so little information considering the number of"variants of concern" that there have been. We all have enough to worry about.
No, we were more than happy blaming the Brits back then.
I think you're getting Alpha and Delta mixed up. Delta was India, Alpha was Britain.
True, those names were a lot easier. I just remember Delta = Britain because that was the first major European outbreak.
To be fair, Boris Johnson also did a lot to help Delta out by keeping the borders open so he could visit India to score trade deals.
Because some were legit doom posting and got banned for it.
I mean, Delta is only a huge problem right now because it's extremely effective at getting to unvaccinated and immunocompromised people due to how infectious it is. If everyone were vaccinated, numbers would look way different.
Delta was also instrumental in the need for boosters. Obviously the numbers would be different if more people were vaccinated, but Delta would still be an issue. Delta also changed the herd immunity threshold from possible with vaccines to essentially impossible.
I mean the Brazil P1 variant was legit concerning but it didn't take a hold worldwide because of how transmissable Delta is. This new one *potentially* has an advantage over Delta so there's a reason to keep an eye on and not let it spread worldwide instantly like we did with Alpha and Delta.For real, some of you guys doomposting need to chill out. Case in point:
New COVID variants Epsilon, Lambda may be resistant to vaccines
Welp. https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2021/08/new-covid-variants-epsilon-lambda-may-be-resistant-to-vaccines-early-lab-studies-show.html And here's the fun part: Might want to hurry up with those booster shots.
Why Scientists Are Very Worried About The Variant From Brazil
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/01/27/961108577/why-scientists-are-very-worried-about-the-variant-from-brazil
That's true. It's hard not to though. Media headlines about it felt almost alarmist and then news of the travel ban hits and it just all feels a bit overwhelming…but taking a step back you realize that there's little to no data on this so we're just putting ourselves in a bad headspace way before we even know anything
No. Unfortunately bad journalists at major news outlets keep repeating this but I can't find any medical literature from the past century that supports it. I legitimately think it may have originated from a radiolab episode on the flu and then spread uncontrollably during the pandemic. Some better info here https://theconversation.com/amp/will-coronavirus-really-evolve-to-become-less-deadly-153817
Very interesting article... I've often wondered about the relative "intelligence" of a virus in terms of mutation. Some experts keep talking about them like they are "purposefully" mutating toward certain traits in order to infect more hosts, suggesting a certain mechanism of intelligence within their make-up, (which may indeed just be evolutionary survival instinct itself).
Either way, i have long mentally come to terms with the fact that a mutation with more vaccine evasive capabilities might pop up eventually, actually positively surprised it's taking this long. I suppose it's because it needs to simultaneously be more lethal AND more transmissible to outcompete Delta. We shall see whether this new variant meets those 2 criteria in real life. If it does indeed, then it will of course dominate events in the near and mid-term future, as expected. If it does not, well...it's ok, we've got enough on our plate just dancing around with Delta, it's fine, really!
Are we ever going to get out of this shit? I am so tired. :(
So are we all... i believe we will not get out of this in the near or mid term future, but i have some hope that we will find new ways to treat this virus and find better vaccines that work on transmission in my lifetime.
