While this doesn't mark the start of the invasion, how could it much longer? The cost of keeping that formation, the logistics, the shelf life of blood packs. Gotta be soon I would think.
I think probably tomorrow night.
While this doesn't mark the start of the invasion, how could it much longer? The cost of keeping that formation, the logistics, the shelf life of blood packs. Gotta be soon I would think.
If, or when, the actual invasion happens please make a new thread. A lot of people will actively ignore larger threads and important news shouldn't be buried in older threads.
Independent as in for a few weeks/months until annexed by Russia.
Considering there's no Ukrainian military presence in the areas occupied by Russian puppets, that would be a waste of time they could potentially spend doing something usefulUkraine should trollface.jpg and also recognize the independent rebel held territories, then literally 5 minutes later declare that peace has been achieved with the rebel held territories and that the rebels are gone, and those territories are now part of the Ukraine again.
If there is anything that points to the start of an invasion.. it's "declaring" those regions are independent.While this doesn't mark the start of the invasion, how could it much longer? The cost of keeping that formation, the logistics, the shelf life of blood packs. Gotta be soon I would think.
Doubt that is happening as that doesn't include Kakhovka, which is where Crimea's fresh water used to come from prior to it being blocked by Ukraine and is causing a serious strategic issue for Russia there. I think invasion is baked in already; maybe they send the ultimatum just for show but Russia needs more than just that.Next they will give ukraine a ultimatum to give up the territory and when that runs out they will start.
An invasion absolutely needs a new thread. We were talking about updating the thread title to show that Putin has recognized the area as "independent".If, or when, the actual invasion happens please make a new thread. A lot of people will actively ignore larger threads and important news shouldn't be buried in older threads.
Probably not annex them; then they'll become part of Russia's official budgets and that's more headache than it's worth.So if Ukraine don't comply, he is going to send in his troops to ensure Donatsk and Luhansk separate? And then he's going to annex these two territories anyways like he did Crimea? Fuck
The expectation all along is that it was mostly just eastern Ukraine that was at the greatest risk. So if he goes beyond those areas it will not be by much.So is the idea that he will stop at Donetsk and Luhansk or go for broke?
So if Ukraine don't comply, he is going to send in his troops to ensure Donatsk and Luhansk separate? And then he's going to annex these two territories anyways like he did Crimea? Fuck
So is the idea that he will stop at Donetsk and Luhansk or go for broke?
Is there any contingency in NATO to allow for acceptance on grounds of an emergency? If Zelensky and NATO, right now, both agreed on membership, could Ukraine immediately come under NATO protection. Putting aside the likelihood of this happening, is it possible?
I guess it depends on what you mean by "go for broke".
What's the point? The minute SVR catches wind of such discussions Putin will give the invasion order and kiev will fall before Zelensky can sign a NATO treatyIs there any contingency in NATO to allow for acceptance on grounds of an emergency? If Zelensky and NATO, right now, both agreed on membership, could Ukraine immediately come under NATO protection. Putting aside the likelihood of this happening, is it possible?
Is there any contingency in NATO to allow for acceptance on grounds of an emergency? If Zelensky and NATO, right now, both agreed on membership, could Ukraine immediately come under NATO protection. Putting aside the likelihood of this happening, is it possible?
I remember listening to a YT video about the current situation, and more than a few people inside Abkhazia and South Ossetia are quite unhappy, since they feel trapped in a continuous groundhog-day-style loop of the bad old days from the early-mid-90s, but feel powerless to do anything.Probably not annex them; then they'll become part of Russia's official budgets and that's more headache than it's worth.
It'll just be 2 more "unrecognized states", same as Transnistria, Abkhazia, South Ossetia and what's left of Nagorno-Karabakh.
No. Its not possible. There is no process for immediate membership. And even if there was it wouldn't be able to be enacted fast enough before Russia stepped in. Not to mention the fact that many NATO members would probably say no anyway because they do not want to get involved in a war against Russia.Is there any contingency in NATO to allow for acceptance on grounds of an emergency? If Zelensky and NATO, right now, both agreed on membership, could Ukraine immediately come under NATO protection. Putting aside the likelihood of this happening, is it possible?
Is there any contingency in NATO to allow for acceptance on grounds of an emergency? If Zelensky and NATO, right now, both agreed on membership, could Ukraine immediately come under NATO protection. Putting aside the likelihood of this happening, is it possible?
What's the point? The minute SVR catches wind of such discussions Putin will give the invasion order and kiev will fall before Zelensky can sign a NATO treaty
There is not. And they wouldn't be able to put one into place either.I literally said "putting aside the likelihood". I'm not asking if there's a good chance of this happening, I'm asking if anywhere in the documents outline NATO's governance, is there any section outlining some sort of emergency acceptance.
So is the idea that he will stop at Donetsk and Luhansk or go for broke?
ThanksThere is not. And they wouldn't be able to put one into place either.
Personally I'm hoping that he chooses to stay. Seeing your president flee the country is not exactly good for morale.
The expectation all along is that it was mostly just eastern Ukraine that was at the greatest risk. So if he goes beyond those areas it will not be by much.
Putin simply doesn't have the manpower and the local support to take all of Ukraine.
The thing is though, he is the legitimate leader of Ukraine. If he's still alive, he is still considered that. If he's dead... That's another story.Personally I'm hoping that he chooses to stay. Seeing your president flee the country is not exactly good for morale.
why would nato accept a country that's about to be invaded?Is there any contingency in NATO to allow for acceptance on grounds of an emergency? If Zelensky and NATO, right now, both agreed on membership, could Ukraine immediately come under NATO protection. Putting aside the likelihood of this happening, is it possible?
Zero chance, that would start WW3Is there any contingency in NATO to allow for acceptance on grounds of an emergency? If Zelensky and NATO, right now, both agreed on membership, could Ukraine immediately come under NATO protection. Putting aside the likelihood of this happening, is it possible?
Crimea was annexed because they need a place to keep their fleet that has to be formally within Russian jurisdiction.Annexation isn't guaranteed, Crimea was annexed because he sees Khrushchev giving it away to Ukrainian SSR as an illegal and drunken move (there's even legal debate about it, but it doesn't matter since Russia signed the Budapest memorandum recognizing Crimea as Ukrainian). But keeping the DPR and LPR as "independent" similar to South Ossetia and Abkhazia is more likely, more leverage against Ukraine that way, it will put them in perpetual civil war and blocking NATO membership.