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Forerunner

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Oct 30, 2017
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Russian Armor Floods Toward Border With Ukraine Amid Fears Of An "Imminent Crisis"

A flurry of alarming reports and social media posts indicate that Russia is pouring military hardware into Crimea and its border with Eastern Ukraine.

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Trains loaded with large amounts of Russian military hardware, including tanks and other heavy armored vehicles, as well as heavy artillery, appear to be streaming toward the country's borders with Ukraine. There are unconfirmed reports that the scale of these movements is so significant that it has, to the dismay of Russian farmers, disrupted shipments of tractors and other agricultural equipment ahead of the spring harvest season. U.S. officials are now worried that a new major round of fighting between Russia and Ukraine may be imminent as a ceasefire is at risk of expiring tomorrow.

It's not entirely clear when the Russian buildup began, but video footage and other imagery reportedly showing armored vehicles and other military equipment on trains heading toward southwestern Russian has been appearing on social media since at least March 27, 2021. There have also been sightings of large ground convoys and groups of aircraft.

This includes at least one clip of a trainload of 152mm 2S19 Msta-S self-propelled howitzers, BMP-3 infantry fight vehicles, and other military vehicles, crossing a bridge that now links Russia to the Crimean Peninsula, and footage of what appears to be the same train in the Crimean city of Kerch. Russian forces seized this region from Ukraine in 2014 and the Kremlin subsequently annexed it.



"We've reached out to Russia to try to gain a little more clarity on what's going on," top Pentagon spokesperson John Kirby said on March 31. U.S. Army General Mark Milley, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, had reached out to his Russian counterpart, General Valery Gerasimov, on March 31, 2021, to ask about the troop movements, but it's unclear what the Russian response was to those queries. Milley also spoke with Ukrainian Commander-in-Chief Ruslan Khomchak about the developing situation.

"The Russian Federation continues its aggressive policy towards Ukraine," Khomchak had told his country's parliament on March 30. "An additional concentration of up to 25 tactical groups is expected, which, together with the already deployed forces near the state border of Ukraine, poses a threat to the military security of the state."



It's not clear exactly how much additional Russian military hardware is actually heading towards the border with Ukraine, but there are reports that the deliveries are substantial enough to have disrupted the movement of other goods via rail, such as agricultural tractors, in the country, according to the Kommersant newspaper. The Russian Ministry of Defense did not respond to Kommersant's queries on the matter and, interestingly, the outlet's sources within the country's defense establishment denied the claims that large numbers of flatbed railcars have been requisitioned from state railroad operators for military use.

Though the new Russian military buildup is clearly at least a message meant for Ukrainian authorities, what the Kremlin's exact plan is remains unclear. The Trilateral Contact Group on Ukraine, which includes representatives from Ukraine, Russia, and the multinational Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), reportedly failed to agree on the terms of an extension of an existing ceasefire agreement in Donbass beyond April 1.

U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken did reiterate the U.S. government's support for Ukraine's "sovereignty and territorial integrity" in a call today with Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba. The United States, as well as most of the international community, does not recognize Russia's occupation of Crimea or "separatist" claims in Donbass. However, Ukraine is not a NATO member or otherwise a formal American ally, though they are an important regional security partner, and it's unclear how willing or able the U.S. government would be to prevent any new major incursion by Russia into Ukraine.

Whatever the exact goals of Russia's new military buildup near Ukraine might be, it has already succeeded in provoking concerns about a new escalation in the conflict between the two countries.
 

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Oct 25, 2017
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Some folks on ResetEra in their rush to indict the United States defend Russia's behavior and that is a catastrophic mistake.
 

NihonTiger

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Oct 25, 2017
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It's really depressing seeing how their actions in Crimea have gone totally unopposed and now this. Fuck.

Part of the problem is we really don't have a lot of good options in this situation. Especially as Putin seems to have his eyes set on returning the Russian sphere of influence to the old Soviet states by any means necessary.
 

lorddarkflare

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Oct 25, 2017
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Some folks on ResetEra in their rush to indict the United States defend Russia's behavior and that is a catastrophic mistake.

Really? I rarely see explicitly supporting Russia's behavior. Usually seems to be a reminder that the US ain't shit while taking it for granted that Russia is not either.
 

jelly

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Oct 26, 2017
33,841
They could probably invade more of Ukraine and the world would do nothing?

You could argue Crimea was strategic only and Putin is quite happy with right wing puppets in neighbouring governments than taking more territory. Who knows.
 
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Russia knows the US and NATO aren't going to get in their way over a backwater like the Ukraine, especially with China currently beating its chest and taking up all the attention. They can do what they like when it comes to the smaller former Soviet countries.
 

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NihonTiger

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Oct 25, 2017
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Russia knows the US and NATO aren't going to get in their way over a backwater like the Ukraine, especially with China currently beating its chest and taking up all the attention. They can do what they like when it comes to the smaller former Soviet countries.

Yeah, and Ukraine not being in NATO plays a huge role in that compared to the Baltics, who are.
 

HockeyBird

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Oct 27, 2017
12,603
The CIA just needs to browse Twitter and Tik Tok for their intel nowadays

I remember years ago that Russian soldier posted a video of his "training exercise on the Russian/Ukraine border" but his phone GPS showed that he was well inside Ukraine. I think they came up with some bullshit that he got lost and accidentally crossed over.
 

ChippyTurtle

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Oct 13, 2018
4,773
Man, fuck off Putin, you have Crimea, what more do you want?

Send some TOW missiles to Ukraine. Absolute bullshit, destroying and preventing Ukraine from being a peaceful state is horrendous.
 

Swig

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Oct 28, 2017
1,498
I've been to Ukraine and have friends there. Scary. Luckily my friends live in Kyiv and west of it, so they're pretty far from Russia.
 

Jibreel

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Oct 25, 2017
343
Wonder how much, if at all, this is related to Crimea's deteriorating water situation.
 

Zip

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Oct 28, 2017
4,029
Probably fortifying the border and Crimea ahead of the truce expiring and as a show of force to Biden.

I would be surprised if Putin tried to annex more of Ukraine since he already has the Crimea, but there's still a definite chance as long as Ukraine has no solid backup. That fucker Putin can't be trusted, and is surely plotting something or another.
 

Joni

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Oct 27, 2017
19,508
They keep breaching European airspace as well all the time. But considering we need them for gas and vaccines nothing will happen. If only we could cut one of their main income sources by switching to nuclear.
 

The Albatross

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Oct 25, 2017
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Really? I rarely see explicitly supporting Russia's behavior. Usually seems to be a reminder that the US ain't shit while taking it for granted that Russia is not either.

There's a handful of posters who get caught up in their righteous zeal correctly criticizing American interventionism and empire-building, and often extend that to excusing Russian aggression. It used to be way more common until 2016 (this was common among just mainstream liberals until 2016 too), but there's still a handful of true believers. Outside of Era in the realm of well known people, this is like the Glenn Greenwald, Julian Assange bloc of citizen-journalist-provocateurs. People who have been so embedded in what is/was a righteous argument against American hegemony, that they become apologists for, and then simply defenders of fascism and autocracy.

FWIW, it hasn't happened in this thread though so other people pre-empting it just kinda begs it to happen again.
 

TripleBee

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Oct 30, 2017
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It's a shame that only countries with nukes are truly safe it seems like. Hope this is nothing more than a show of force.
 

Chakoo

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Oct 27, 2017
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Toronto, Canada
I'm more shocked they didn't really try doing this in the last year of trumps presidency as he would have gladly turned a blind eye to it. So maybe it's more just them testing biden and not really doing anything more?
 

Shodan14

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Oct 30, 2017
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The post I replied to was asking what more do they want, so it seemed particularly relevant.
It paints Dugin as some sort of a grand strategist laying out Russia's actions and takes credit for many things Russia was barely involved in.

The simple answer is that Putin needs foreign enemies and victories to distract the population from the increasingly bad economic situation and stay in power. Losing what little control Russia has in the post-Soviet space is disastrous to his strongman image and is making Russia take more and more desperate actions in an increasingly unstable international system.
 

Koukalaka

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Oct 28, 2017
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Weren't there indications back before things stabilised that Russia wanted a land corridor between Crimea the eastern border? I wonder if this is the sort of thing they'd look to kick off over as I think the Crimean economy is in the toilet and there's issues with things like electricity and the water supply.
 

Commedieu

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Nov 11, 2017
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Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov offered a trio of seemingly contradictory dismissals regarding the sudden movement of Russian forces and equipment along its border with Ukraine and in Crimea, as well as a mortar attack last week by Russian-backed troops that killed four Ukrainian soldiers for which Kiev blames Russia.
The Russian Federation moves its armed forces within its territory at its own discretion. This should not bother anyone, it poses no threat to anyone," Peskov told reporters on Thursday morning, according to a translation of his remarks. He also said that Russia feels threatened by what it considers "increased activity of the armed forces of NATO countries" and others that "obliges us to be on the alert."

And he said that Russian troops "have never taken part in and are not taking part" in operations in Ukraine, echoing common rhetoric from officials in Moscow that ignores the realities on the ground. Russian President Vladimir Putin himself acknowledged in 2015 the presence of Russian forces there "who carried out certain tasks including in the military sphere."


well, context..?
 

Ushojax

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Oct 30, 2017
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Putin no fool, with the EU now begging him to supply them with the Russian COVID vaccine he is seeing how far he can push it.
 

SuperEpicMan

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Oct 25, 2017
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It paints Dugin as some sort of a grand strategist laying out Russia's actions and takes credit for many things Russia was barely involved in.

The simple answer is that Putin needs foreign enemies and victories to distract the population from the increasingly bad economic situation and stay in power. Losing what little control Russia has in the post-Soviet space is disastrous to his strongman image and is making Russia take more and more desperate actions in an increasingly unstable international system.

Pretty interesting way of looking at it. You might find this documentary interesting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HyperNormalisation.
 

Soap

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Oct 27, 2017
15,241
Sabre rattling because their buddy is no longer in the White House.
 

Loxley

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Oct 25, 2017
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As someone who's pretty ignorant on modern Ukrainian geopolitics, can someone explain to me like I'm five years old why the hell Ukraine doesn't join NATO? It's obvious why Russia doesn't want them too, but at least on the surface it seems like doing so would be a net positive overall, especially since it would mean having the official backing of the major EU powers and the US. Unless there's something I'm completely missing.
 

Joni

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Oct 27, 2017
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As someone who's pretty ignorant on modern Ukrainian geopolitics, can someone explain to me like I'm five years old why the hell Ukraine doesn't join NATO? It's obvious why Russia doesn't want them too, but at least on the surface it seems like doing so would be a net positive overall, especially since it would mean having the official backing of the major EU powers and the US. Unless there's something I'm completely missing.
Last time Ukraine had a push to get closer to the EU Russia stole Crimea. Also there is a real question if the NATO would actually intervene if something happened.
 

Shodan14

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Oct 30, 2017
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Last time Ukraine had a push to get closer to the EU Russia stole Crimea. Also there is a real question if the NATO would actually intervene if something happened.
It's more about the process of joining NATO being complex and multi-faceted, you don't just send a letter and ask to join. There's a long list of technical as well as political boxes to tick, that Ukraine is not ready for including a clause for not having any border disputes (which is allowing Russia to effectively block their accession indefinitely as it stands). Obviously existing NATO members also need to agree.

If NATO didn't actually honor article 5 when any members were attacked that would be the end of the alliance right there, though.
 

ChippyTurtle

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Oct 13, 2018
4,773
Putin no fool, with the EU now begging him to supply them with the Russian COVID vaccine he is seeing how far he can push it.

www.dw.com

Will EU soon roll out Sputnik V vaccine? – DW – 03/29/2021

The European Medicines Agency could approve Russia's Sputnik V coronavirus vaccine within the next two months. Will that help accelerate vaccination campaigns in the European Union?

Russia needs the EU vaccine production to fulfill its expected orders in Russia and worldwide more than the EU needs doses of the Sputnik V vaccine.
 

Joni

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Oct 27, 2017
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www.dw.com

Will EU soon roll out Sputnik V vaccine? – DW – 03/29/2021

The European Medicines Agency could approve Russia's Sputnik V coronavirus vaccine within the next two months. Will that help accelerate vaccination campaigns in the European Union?

Russia needs the EU vaccine production to fulfill its expected orders in Russia and worldwide more than the EU needs doses of the Sputnik V vaccine.
If you discount the Eastern European nations that bet heavily on AstraZeneca and that are putting pressure.
 
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