Valkerion

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Oct 29, 2017
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I'm loving the character exploration/deconstruction of Loki and all but other than that I don't know if I "love" this show yet. It feels like its retreading the points quite often for me but I am interested in the general situation. I'm thinking its cause the scenes outside the TVA are not all that interesting overall and the appeal of said TVA looses its magic when its not revealing nonsense with every sentence.

Digging the conversations and characters though!
 

GreenMamba

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Oct 25, 2017
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This show is just wild. Lots of really fun stuff in this episode. I really can't predict where it's going to go and how it's going to end. Definitely didn't expect the Time Keepers to be exposed this early.

EDIT:

There seem to be multiple tiers to the TVA. Those guards with the red uniforms that accompany Ravonna and are guarding the "Time Keepers" are probably in on it all too.
 
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JigglesBunny

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Oct 27, 2017
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That "vampire" mention literally made me drool. Give me that good shit, Feige.

Also, why y'all so hellbent on Kang here? I think it's more likely that they'll try and stuff He Who Remains in and push Kang off for the films.
 
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Creamium

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Oct 25, 2017
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I gasped when I saw Kid Loki. Made me want to reread Gillen's JiM.

Ep 3 was a weak link but if they can stick the landing this is easily the best Marvel show so far.
 

Burt

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Oct 28, 2017
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It's wild that they really seem to have gone with Sylvie straight up actually being Loki and Loki falling in love with her

Owen Wilson's reaction was 1000% correct
 

Kinthey

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Oct 27, 2017
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So now a day has passed here is one thing I don't get. Why did a spike occur on their little "stability" CRT screen back at TVA screen when Loki opened himself up to Sylvie and was on the verge of declaring he loved her? They were literally seconds away from both dying. Why would the TVA give a shit and save them? To quote Captain Kirk, "LET THEM DIE".
Yeah I don't really get it either. After all wasn't the whole point about hiding in Apocalypses that nothing they do matters there? Even if two Lokis falling in love is a huge nexus event it shouldn't show up in the timeline.

The only way it makes sense is if them falling in love would affect something outside of that doomed planet but I'm not sure what that could be.

Edit: or maybe they would have unlocked a power that let them survive
 
Oct 25, 2017
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That "vampire" mention literally made me drool. Give me that good shit, Feige.

Also, why y'all so hellbent on Kang here? I think it's more likely that they'll try and stuff He Who Remains in and push Kang off for the films.

Mostly cuz of Ravonna being here but it could be another red herring.

He Who Remains or Immortus are more likely than straight up Kang showing up here
 

VAD

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Oct 28, 2017
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The only way it makes sense is if them falling in love would affect something outside of that doomed planet but I'm not sure what that could be.
It affected Loki's entire outlook on life. He's fresh off Avengers and haven't learned to stop being selfish yet. Now that he knows love, he stopped being selfish. That's a nexus event.
 

Burt

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It affected Loki's entire outlook on life. He's fresh off Avengers and haven't learned to stop being selfish yet. Now that he knows love, he stopped being selfish. That's a nexus event.
Not when everyone and everything is about to die in a celestial collision
 

Heynongman!

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Oct 25, 2017
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It's also completely possible that they were either A: going to survive that - they're gods after all or B: were not meant to die there because it would lead to further straying from the "sacred timeline" and that caused the spike.
 

jph139

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Oct 25, 2017
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We don't really know how "variance energy" or whatever works - it's possible that extremely, EXTREMELY unlikely, impossible events can cause a visible spike, beyond what the background "apocalypse" noise would mask. As long as you're making shit up you can throw that sort of thing in there.
 

Trup1aya

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Oct 25, 2017
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I feel like yall are thinking too hard.

Either they were going to survive the apocalypse causing a variance or them dying there would have been the variance that altered the sacred timeline.

We'll probably find out later
 

RetroMG

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Oct 25, 2017
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I remember when looking at that in the trailer I thought that was Black Widow. I feel silly now




(I found this on Twitter the other day, wanted an excuse to post it, felt it might be useful)

This isn't entirely related, but I just realized that with Discord getting stickers today, my server desperately needs some Miss Minutes stickers.
 

Mcfrank

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Oct 28, 2017
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So now a day has passed here is one thing I don't get. Why did a spike occur on their little "stability" CRT screen back at TVA screen when Loki opened himself up to Sylvie and was on the verge of declaring he loved her? They were literally seconds away from both dying. Why would the TVA give a shit and save them? To quote Captain Kirk, "LET THEM DIE".

For me it made episode 3 even weaker, while the dialogue was great the two protags of the show, Loki and Sylvie, had ZERO plan ultimately and just were sitting on rocks ready to die. That is like... the most Un-Loki like thing the character has ever done. Not have plans within plans within plans within plans. It was pretty disappointing to see that neither was in an enchantment, I guess they could reveal episodes 3 & 4 were both enchantment red herrings but that seems to deep into the "well, how do you know ANYTHING is real..." philosophy.
Yeah I don't really get it either. After all wasn't the whole point about hiding in Apocalypses that nothing they do matters there? Even if two Lokis falling in love is a huge nexus event it shouldn't show up in the timeline.

The only way it makes sense is if them falling in love would affect something outside of that doomed planet but I'm not sure what that could be.

Edit: or maybe they would have unlocked a power that let them survive
When the characters are also asking this question, the assumption is you are not suppose to understand it yet. Hopefully they will address this in a future episode.
 

KingSnake

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Oct 25, 2017
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Finally caught up with the latest episode. It was amazing, maybe the best of the series so far. It was good to see after such a mediocre episode last time (and not in terms of it was trying to do, but just the execution seemed very poor for me). Speaking of poor execution wtf at the fighting scenes. All of them in this series have been subpar. And not only for MCU but even for TV series these days. What's up with that?

Plus if they got rid of the fighting scenes and just replaced them with a couple of simple actions everything would be the same.

One thing that I still don't feel 100% is the chemistry between Loki and Sylvie. Especially from Sylvie's part. Otherwise I like the idea of a romance between them, it fits perfectly into Loki's character.
 

betterbuddha

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Oct 27, 2017
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My first thought for the spike was that either Sylvie or Loki created the TVA sometime in the future. they have time machines. they can go back to the beginning and create it. this means that if they die in Lamentis, they cannot create it the TVA and then the timeline falls apart.

That also cleans up why they waited until she is 8 and why someone like Ravonna went to get her. She was ordered by the timekeepers (a front for Sylvie) to go at that time when she had the ability to escape and not before even though her birth would be a nexus event.

Also, that is why there are so many variant lokis, because they are the time keepers?