Jason Schreier: Sony is planning a new subscription service, code-named Spartacus, to take on Xbox Game Pass (Merges PS+ and PSNow. Not day one games)
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Natural indeed. It's kind of common sense especially as there has been redundancy among offerings.
Sony is very clearly seeing a trend here. Difference is MS has a well thought out plan and executing it steadily a plan that was happening despite PS5 and what Sony and Nintendo were doing. To see this reaction means MS bet on the right horse and something behind the scenes has shifted. So they are reacting.
I keep seeing the word "need", as in Sony doesn't "need" to do thing. You usually don't wait for an obvious need in business, it's more predictive than that. Sony making changes (even if they fall short of Game Pass) seems like they recognize there is a need to enhance their sub model.
PS Now already has some PS2 games that are emulated on PS4 that no one gives a fuck about. Sony doesn't own a lot of their "iconic" PS1 games and a lot of these are getting ports, remasters, and remakes on modern systems. PS Now also has PS3 games, as long as you're okay with streaming. This idea that Sony will absolutely crush Microsoft with just retro is so silly lmao. They are not Nintendo.
You said all streaming and I was merely pointing out that it wasn't.
It's a small indie title that nobody would have ever played or heard of if it didn't? It was mutally beneficial. For bigger games that are going to get people to subscribe to a service, you need to convince them that it's going to be better for them than selling it full price, and you do that by doing what Microsoft does, which is saying "here, look, would we do this if it were bad business?".
Yeah, I will be getting the tier that includes Crunchyroll for sure.
Bioshock you can. Not Killzone tho.
Needs BC. Hopefully they do it soon.
If this were the case they would put their Day 1 games on their service, which they clearly won't do. I see it more as a movement to improve their services, especially PSNow.
Only thing keeping me from buying an Xbox is the hope that Sony will do something like this, and thank god! Finally! I don't care about day-1 first party games (mainly since I'm more than happy to pay full price for the worthy ones) just give me the PS Now cataloug offline!
You're telling me people saw stuff like the entire Yakuza franchise, including 7 on GP and were like naa, not worth the sub? Scarlet Nexus is just filling in gaps?? Of course people are subbing for the third party games, it's not even something that should be stated.
Without day one games, meh. That's what makes Game Pass Game Pass.
I'm sure Sony will get there eventually.
I'm sure Sony will get there eventually.
Sorry worded it poorly. I meant bringing my saves to and from PSNow required PS+
Not really.
They will get paid. MS does pay games to be on there. Not to mention, for MP focused games they get a quick access to the whales.
Sony's games are SP focused experiences. Not live service. Some AAA games are like this too and if they game needs exposure they could deal with Sony.
fuck I forgot about this.
Damn, if they do this, they might get me. I will be very interested in New Crunchyroll.
I care about them, but the emulation is kinda busted on PS5. Lot's of graphical glitches.
Because the article said it.
And the comparaison since the beginning doesn't have sense, Game Pass is lot more than just console subscription. It's business model for game developers, Way for Microsoft to push the PC Market etc...
I'm talking about the price I paid for my three years of GPU compared to the best price I could have had PS Plus for (GPU - £23 per year - PS Plus £30 a year). Whether or not the "trick" will last forever (they've already had plenty of time to change it and have not) is irrelevant (to my own personal comparison). Plus you can stack for three years so not an issue until 2023/4 regardless.
I'm not talking about the RRP seeing as it was my personal take and it goes without saying that when making that comparison the only price I care about is the best prices available to myself. Who knows if the RRP will compare or not
Partially reacting.
They've also made investments into improving PS+, PS Now, and cloud streaming over the years.
It's not like Sony is reacting out of left field or starting from scratch here.
While MS has clearly laid out their vision and executed, Sony isn't too too far behind. We have known for awhile this was coming. Jim Ryan said so.
What I stated reinforces the tweet from Schrier. Sony doesn't see the need to publish day one games because they don't see that as the primary driver for why people subscribe. MSFT, whether you want to agree or not, is trying to change the mindset of consumers of expecting 1st party content day one through their subscription service. That's a differentiator. Sony looks at Gamepass and think that a catalogue of games through a subscription is what's changing the landscape. The lagging indicator is that Sony is looking at their current userbase and installbase and feels that they are ahead and don't feel the need to innovate on their existing services in order to keep up with the newer and more innovative offerings from its competition. Hence why the lack of day one first party games.
wouldn't make sense since PlayStation makes more first party games with really expensive budgets that match blockbuster films. They'll be alright..
There's a pretty big selection of PS4 titles you can download and some PS5. PS3 titles are still streaming only though, yes but saying it's ALL streaming is inaccurate.
After looking at PS Now library, this just seems like a PS Now rebrand. Add in a few PS1 games that already have ports, remasters, remakes on modern consoles and probably charge more for it. I find that Sony isn't Nintendo in the sense that they don't own a lot of their "iconic" franchises and can easily add them to the service. If they add PS3 emulation, that would be interesting, still not worth it but at least they're trying at something. Comparing this to Game Pass is like comparing FSR to DLSS... technically similar, but not really.
While an increased focus on backwards compatibility is great, let's not pretend that the value and appeal of PS2 and PSP games is in anyway comparable to day 1 1st party titles for the vast majority of consumers.
I've had a great time playing through Sonic Generations, Max Payne and Timesplitters over the last couple weeks but I know I'm a minority and the value of getting Forza Horizon 5 and Halo Infinite day 1 is still much a much bigger deal even for me.
Well can you tell me what you mean by this then?
You replied to me once. What are you even on about going through life not knowing what compeition is, you legit just cut what I said to fit your narrative, I said they need to tick every box and offer something extra OR offer something much more interesting if they can't match them. You can think a company can offer a lesser service for possibly the same price or ever more and expect them to grow all you want "through your life" as you say.
So PS now downloading is still limited to PS4 games. Not the immense PS3 collection or all the PS1 and PS2 games that were available on PS3 as well. Sony's library is immense and can easily eclipse gamepass with the effort.
The report says they're expanding the offering. Maybe more games or maybe giving more recent games. Doesn't seem like it'll be a straight merger.
This is just a portion of gamepass. No new day and date first party exclusives.
This is going to be nothing like the playstation alternative to gamepass that people hope it will be.
Hopes are they will allow you download (and let people use their games without subbing as well).
Jim Ryan please man. DO IT
Where do I downplay the value of day one releases? Where do I say that day one releases aren't actually a good thing? All I said is that Game Pass is more than just day 1 releases, it has more features that are just as exciting as day one releases. I'm a subscriber myself, I know the value proposition that is being offered. All I said was Sony doesn't have to match Game Pass 1 to 1 to be considered a competitor, their offering might be as good but they would still be a competitor. How does believing that this hypothetical subscription being a competitor that equal being a shill?
If this supports older games natively (as within the Xbox ecosystem), I'm all for it! :)
A PS Now and PS+ merger was inevitable.
A PS Now and PS+ merger was inevitable.
Whelp. Good luck with that Jim.
I get that Sony wants the market to not change. After all they are winning. But they'll have to play ball eventually. It's just matter of time.
Gamepass has changed everything. How people value games. How people browse games. Etc.
Charging for a service ON TOP of 70 bucks per game is crazy juice talk.
Just like cross play, they'll change their tune soon enough. It's strange as they have such a strong following that they'd very quickly rack up millions of subscribers.
I get that Sony wants the market to not change. After all they are winning. But they'll have to play ball eventually. It's just matter of time.
Gamepass has changed everything. How people value games. How people browse games. Etc.
Charging for a service ON TOP of 70 bucks per game is crazy juice talk.
Just like cross play, they'll change their tune soon enough. It's strange as they have such a strong following that they'd very quickly rack up millions of subscribers.
You can currently download Bioshock remastered since it came out on Ps4 but Ps3 games such as killzone 2,3 you can stream.
I don't really get this completely. People have been loving Game Pass for years and the majority of the content on it has not been 1st party games. I definitely think it's the biggest drawing point psychologically("I get all first party games day one?!"). But realistically the majority of it's use has probably not been on first party games. MS is now starting to drop more games like Forza and Halo soon, but like I said, Game Pass has been around for awhile and the statistics probably show the majority of games played have been 3rd party.
Then don't get gold and do get gamepass. The xbox system sin't tier based. It's more ala carte. Sony's system as described requires you to spend more if you want bak compat even if you don't want the features from the cheaper tiers.
I wonder if this reboot of PS Now means retiring the PS3 server blades for once. They are getting really old and I doubt they will get rid of most of the PS Now library because of it.