Dropped interceptions is a good stat. It means he threw the ball at such a high VELOCITY that no mortal could've caught it.
Or right to the defender, that was too surprised to hold on to it.
Dropped interceptions is a good stat. It means he threw the ball at such a high VELOCITY that no mortal could've caught it.
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Not all of us are lucky enough to go from goat Winston to goat Brady.
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Ugh, I hate the Jameis Winston is shit brigade. He's clearly very talented, when he's on he can make every single throw on the field look absolutely effortless. When he's on he's a top 10 QB, but when he's off he looks like a bottom 10. You don't throw for 5000 yards without being talented.
There's a reason why he gets so much more criticism than other QBs, we know what that reason is but we aren't ready to talk about that.....
Is that not established fact? I thought that was established fact.My favorite theory about the crab legs, and the belief I personally hold, was that he was Jameis Winston and so had a hook-up at the FSU Publix. Managing staff probably condoned it, blah blah blah. The problem likely occurred when a higher-up who was not privy to this arrangement saw Jameis walking out with the food. It would have been an illegal benefit and a huge NCAA violation, so they decided to say he "shoplifted".
There it is.
The thread is asking about his abilities as a player, not whether we think he's a decent human being. You're absolutely right that he's a trash-tier human being. I don't think he's a very good QB either although he certainly has moments that seem impressive."think he's good", "just needs more structure", etc.
The correct take is "fuck this motherfucker"
I'm sure that's part of it, but I don't think it's the main part. 30 INTs, some of which were absolutely inexcusable, is a major issue.Ugh, I hate the Jameis Winston is shit brigade. He's clearly very talented, when he's on he can make every single throw on the field look absolutely effortless. When he's on he's a top 10 QB, but when he's off he looks like a bottom 10. You don't throw for 5000 yards without being talented.
There's a reason why he gets so much more criticism than other QBs, we know what that reason is but we aren't ready to talk about that.....
Is that not established fact? I thought that was established fact.
The thing is he's on and off at the same time. Unless he had a few games where he was on and then had a few when he was just off and tossing picks. Throwing for 5k is impressive, no doubt Brady won't be able to make some of the throws he makes but if he has 20 less picks then they'll be better for sure.Ugh, I hate the Jameis Winston is shit brigade. He's clearly very talented, when he's on he can make every single throw on the field look absolutely effortless. When he's on he's a top 10 QB, but when he's off he looks like a bottom 10. You don't throw for 5000 yards without being talented.
There's a reason why he gets so much more criticism than other QBs, we know what that reason is but we aren't ready to talk about that.....
The thing is he's on and off at the same time. Unless he had a few games where he was on and then had a few when he was just off and tossing picks. Throwing for 5k is impressive, no doubt Brady won't be able to make some of the throws he makes but if he has 20 less picks then they'll be better for sure.
He could get even more criticism for the stuff he's done outside of football but many don't bring it up.
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As someone posted already:Is it the 30 interceptions and 7 pick sixes?
He is talented, but you just can't turn the ball over that many times. LIke I said before, the main reason he put up those stats is because they didn''t pull him, most of the time if you turn the ball over that much you get pulled and you don't see the field enough to keep doing it. It's not like a white QB wouldn't get clowned on here for doing the same thing (at least I don't think).
Point is Black QBs have to do so much more to NOT get the hate. Lamar Jackson was absolutely dominant but still gets down talked due to either his passing or his teams system or how he "won't last in the league with that playstyle.", crap like that. Those with comparable stats to Winston don't get the same hate, you get stupid, hyperbolic, loaded question topics like these. Where's this topic about Baker Mayfield or Philip Rivers or Jared Goff and their comparable seasons?I'm sure that's part of it, but I don't think it's the main part. 30 INTs, some of which were absolutely inexcusable, is a major issue.
Black QBs have certainly dealt with more shit and been more unfairly scrutinized than white QBs but I think that we're finally seeing that start to change. Is there any reasonable person that wouldn't say that five of the top 10 QBs are Mahomes, Jackson, Wilson, Watson, and Prescott with 3 of the top 5 being Mahomes, Jackson, and Wilson? I don't think there is equality in how QBs are talked about (we still see the BS "student of the game" vs. "freak athlete" nonsense, for example) or evaluated but I do think it's much less of an issue now than it was when Warren Moon or Randall Cunningham were dominant.
Is anyone saying Tampa Bay won't be better than Winston? That's a weird statement that doesn't really have anything to do with the topic at hand. And that is EXACTLY what Winston is he was either on or off. That's his career basically, when he's on he's undeniably a top 10 QB, the skill is there, but when he's off he makes some absolutely baffling decisions. And he definitely DOES get the hate for outside of football activities, look at this very topic and how people are bringing up non football stuff.The thing is he's on and off at the same time. Unless he had a few games where he was on and then had a few when he was just off and tossing picks. Throwing for 5k is impressive, no doubt Brady won't be able to make some of the throws he makes but if he has 20 less picks then they'll be better for sure.
He could get even more criticism for the stuff he's done outside of football but many don't bring it up.
As someone posted already:
16 games, 6-10-0 record, 343 completions on 547 passes (62.7%) for 4131 yards, 26 touchdowns, 23 interceptions and 6 pick 6s
16 games, 7-9-0 record, 380 completions on 626 passes (60.7%) for 5109 yards, 33 touchdowns, 30 interceptions and 7 pick 6s
Further there were several QBs around +3 TD/Int but don't get nearly the hate Winston gets.
Point is Black QBs have to do so much more to NOT get the hate. Lamar Jackson was absolutely dominant but still gets down talked due to either his passing or his teams system or how he "won't last in the league with that playstyle.", crap like that. Those with comparable stats to Winston don't get the same hate, you get stupid, hyperbolic, loaded question topics like these. Where's this topic about Baker Mayfield or Philip Rivers or Jared Goff and their comparable seasons?
Is anyone saying Tampa Bay won't be better than Winston? That's a weird statement that doesn't really have anything to do with the topic at hand. And that is EXACTLY what Winston is he was either on or off. That's his career basically, when he's on he's undeniably a top 10 QB, the skill is there, but when he's off he makes some absolutely baffling decisions. And he definitely DOES get the hate for outside of football activities, look at this very topic and how people are bringing up non football stuff.
As someone posted already:
16 games, 6-10-0 record, 343 completions on 547 passes (62.7%) for 4131 yards, 26 touchdowns, 23 interceptions and 6 pick 6s
16 games, 7-9-0 record, 380 completions on 626 passes (60.7%) for 5109 yards, 33 touchdowns, 30 interceptions and 7 pick 6s
Further there were several QBs around +3 TD/Int but don't get nearly the hate Winston gets.
Point is Black QBs have to do so much more to NOT get the hate. Lamar Jackson was absolutely dominant but still gets down talked due to either his passing or his teams system or how he "won't last in the league with that playstyle.", crap like that. Those with comparable stats to Winston don't get the same hate, you get stupid, hyperbolic, loaded question topics like these. Where's this topic about Baker Mayfield or Philip Rivers or Jared Goff and their comparable seasons?
When he's off; hes bottom three if not lower. Shit is indefensible when you have two outstanding wide receivers. Hes been this way since his rookie year. This isn't a new thing he just started doing under Arians. Payton has done great things for QBs but he won't stand for those brainless turnovers either.Ugh, I hate the Jameis Winston is shit brigade. He's clearly very talented, when he's on he can make every single throw on the field look absolutely effortless. When he's on he's a top 10 QB, but when he's off he looks like a bottom 10. You don't throw for 5000 yards without being talented.
There's a reason why he gets so much more criticism than other QBs, we know what that reason is but we aren't ready to talk about that.....