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It is hilarious watching the U.S. try to pin this on Iran when really it's just the latest in a long example of the Saudis getting owned by Houthis with weapons that cost a couple hundred bucks. Or, it would be funny, if it didn't put the lives of millions of innocent Iranians in danger
 

Kin5290

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Where do you draw the distinction between cruise missile and drone, anyway? They're both autonomous aircraft flying to a pre-set destination. Isn't a cruise missile just a specialized form of drone now? If you make a drone like that one in the picture that has an internal bomb and can fly to a target on its own, isn't it a cruise missile already? Or does it need an actual missile engine to be that?
Range and payload may just be numbers but they're pretty important numbers. The Tomahawk can carry a payload of 450 kg across a range over 1200km. Of course each one also costs nearly $2 million.

Really the drone threat can probably be countered by installing SHORAD batteries around sensitive locations. You don't need a Patriot missile to take down a drone when a stinger or an autocannon could probably do the trick. The problem with the Saudi military is that they are (probably deservedly) known to be ridiculously incompetent.
It is hilarious watching the U.S. try to pin this on Iran when really it's just the latest in a long example of the Saudis getting owned by Houthis with weapons that cost a couple hundred bucks. Or, it would be funny, if it didn't put the lives of millions of innocent Iranians in danger
These are specialized drones designed to be weapons. They're not something you can buy off Amazon. And it's no secret that the "innocent Iranians" have been funding and supplying the Houthis. Think of it as if China was supplying arms to a rebel faction in Mexico that not only professed strong, militant anti-American leanings, but outright bombed El Paso and Houston.
 
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These are specialized drones designed to be weapons. They're not something you can buy off Amazon. And it's no secret that the "innocent Iranians" have been funding and supplying the Houthis. Think of it as if China was supplying arms to a rebel faction in Mexico that not only professed strong, militant anti-American leanings, but outright bombed El Paso and Houston.

Is the US invading mexico and causing mass starvation of children there in this analogy?
 

Rocket Man

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Dont know how anyone could have sympathy for Saudis, they are literally committing war crimes in Yemen as we speak.
 

Kin5290

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Is the US invading mexico and causing mass starvation of children there in this analogy?
Do you mean "launching a military intervention to fight against a hostile terrorist insurgency that has been suicide bombing markets and places of worship"?

Don't get me wrong, every side in this conflict is monstrous. And from a lens of history the Yemeni Civil War seems a lot like the Vietnam War in how corrupt the "legitimate" Yemeni government is. But too often the left ignores some monstrous acts to create a black and white portrait of the situation where none exists. And calling the Iranians "innocent" in this situation where they are a regional power attempting to install a friendly government in the neighbor of their greatest rival is a pretty big distortion.
 

Pandora012

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Anyone see them crude futures /cl? Up 10% last i checked. Lord have mercy on whoever shorted oil before market close.
 
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Range and payload may just be numbers but they're pretty important numbers. The Tomahawk can carry a payload of 450 kg across a range over 1200km. Of course each one also costs nearly $2 million.

Really the drone threat can probably be countered by installing SHORAD batteries around sensitive locations. You don't need a Patriot missile to take down a drone when a stinger or an autocannon could probably do the trick. The problem with the Saudi military is that they are (probably deservedly) known to be ridiculously incompetent.

These are specialized drones designed to be weapons. They're not something you can buy off Amazon. And it's no secret that the "innocent Iranians" have been funding and supplying the Houthis. Think of it as if China was supplying arms to a rebel faction in Mexico that not only professed strong, militant anti-American leanings, but outright bombed El Paso and Houston.

The innocent was referring to civilians, not the goverment. I hope for no good reason that your slipup wasn't a revealing one
 

Landy828

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There's plenty of thought being put into drone defense (and probably more in the wake of this attack), and that might be one possibility, but defensive drones have the difficulty of having to be flying around all the time and having to generate dynamic takedown vectors.

Static defenses might end up being easier and cheaper. Some kind of mounted gun that detects drones and automatically downs them would probably be the simplest way (although as with any new system, "simplest" might still need a lot of work before being a real field-worthy solution).

All you have to do is put up giant nets, LOL.
 

delete

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I thought Yemen rebels were the ones claiming responsibility for this? How is Iran involved?
 

Jexhius

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They're iranian proxies.
The old 'Iranian boogieman' trick is just about as popular as the old 'Russian boogieman' trick.

While Iran may be providing support to the Houthi's war efforts (it's worth noting that Yemen is already awash with weapons, even without Iranian support), the Hothis havea a decades long movement in Yemen that they've been waging for their own reasons. They wouldn't be attacking Saudi Arabia if Saudi Arabia hadn't invaded their country (with US support). They share an enemy with Iran but they're hardly a wing of the Iranian military.

That's why Trump's comments about "locking and loading" make no sense - the US has already supported the Saudi's (and the UAE, before they pulled out of the failing war) in killing tens of thousands of Yemenis - how could they make things any worse?
 
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LittleBee

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War with Iran, why is the US fighting for Saudi Arabia? Should fight for Hong Kong instead.
 

thefit

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is the price going to go up by a dollar?

No. The US has large reserves and produces enough that it actually exports more than it needs now. This ain't the 80's, 90's and Bush era. One of Obama's first big moves was to make the US not dependent on Saudi oil, he made sure we had these reserves and fracking came under his watch despite how much the right likes to scream "drill, drill, drill" Obama actual did, its why you aren't going to get gauged at the pump because of this. The Saudis and others hate Obama for this and have been desperately trying to use their cartel to change things back to when they dictated American gas prices but its too late hell they almost got Trump to release reserves early on so that we became dependent on them and their pricing again.
 

Kin5290

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I thought Yemen rebels were the ones claiming responsibility for this? How is Iran involved?
The Houthis are Shia. The major conflict in the Middle East is a sectarian one between Sunni and Shia, and Saudi Arabia and Iran being the major powers. Yemen (which is majority Sunni, but not by a huge amount) shares a land border with Saudi, so Iran jumped to support a Shia rebellion in a nation that could threaten Iran's primary enemy.
 
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SharpX68K

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recession incoming + election incoming = we (US) are going to war with Iran

Naturally.

Crisis In The Gulf III
The world asks America not to do this.

Trump-America give no fucks at all.

G.W.Bush-America gave no fucks at all in 2003.

G.HW.Bush-America gave no fucks in 1990-1991.

Welcome to the American-Iran military conflict 2019-2020.

Lets hope it doesn't escalate into a full blown war with multi hundreds of thousands of U.S. troops deployed to Saudi Arabia again.
 

BabyMurloc

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The direction of impact bs is laughable. These were remote piloted drone strikes that can come from any direction, regardless of the attacker.
 
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U.S. crude oil was trading 9% higher while Brent crude added more than 9.4%. The attack on the Saudi Aramco facility halted output of more than half of Saudi Arabia's daily exports.

U.S. crude added $4.79 per barrel, or 8.7%, to $59.63 per barrel in electronic trading on the New York Mercantile Exchange. Brent picked up $5.78 per barrel, or nearly 10%, to $66.04 per barrel.