Been listening to history podcasts on the black death, it's fucking bonkers how clueless everyone was back then.
"Why is god punishing our family, including these rats?"
"Why is god punishing our family, including these rats?"
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A new Common Sense episode is out - https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/common-sense-with-dan-carlin-32388
Show 319 - A Recipe for Caesar
< 1 day ago · 86 minutes
Does a global pandemic help break the spell of our bitter partisan conflict, or does it just raise the stakes? In the first CS show in years Dan wrestles with the Zeitgeist.
Show 319 - A Recipe for Caesar
< 1 day ago · 86 minutes
Does a global pandemic help break the spell of our bitter partisan conflict, or does it just raise the stakes? In the first CS show in years Dan wrestles with the Zeitgeist.
Ah, yes the real problem - 'partisanship' - not the govermental and moral failings of the very thing he touted for years as what he wanted, an outsider to shake up the system.
It was a shame he stopped putting out CS after a few post-2016-election. To me it felt like he could not fully admit how wrong he was.
Blaming partisanship is just the same conservative nonsense -- break the government on purpose, claim it is inherently broken, and blame the nebulous 'partisanship'.
It was a shame he stopped putting out CS after a few post-2016-election. To me it felt like he could not fully admit how wrong he was.
Blaming partisanship is just the same conservative nonsense -- break the government on purpose, claim it is inherently broken, and blame the nebulous 'partisanship'.
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If this is the take that he's going to come with, I would rather that he spend the time on getting the next episode of HH out.
Going to listen to CS later, but don't have high hopes for it (especially seeing the "partisan" thing). Dan has been in hardcore denial that a lot of his worldview has just turned out to be wrong and a lot of his "conservative" friends are just neo-nazis now (and probably always were).
I'm curious what he has to say after all these years, but I'm prepared to not agree with any of it. He's a little too fond of his thought experiments, and now one of them has come to life and gone horribly, horribly wrong.
Kinda off-topic, but can anyone recommend a podcast app for Android that allows for custom files? I have a whole bunch of older Hardcore History episodes that I'd love to listen to, but PocketCasts removed custom episodes awhile back and I haven't been able to find a good player since.
Yeah, having listened to about 1/3 of the new episode so far, I still don't think he's really come to grips with that realization.
I mean, blaming 'partisanship' when the President is calling only 100,000-240,000 deaths a win is just so insanely tone-deaf.
Per Wikipedia, there were 405,000 US casualties in WWII. 60% of World War II is a 'goal'.
Haven't listened to this new one yet, but I did really enjoy the episode about left vs. right with Daniele Bolleli that wasn't strictly history.
Actually that Bolleli episode was great. I guess I was just expecting this CS to be cathartic in some way... maybe there's a change in tone later on? Has anyone listened to the whole thing yet?
20 minutes in and I can't take any more. A lot of both-sidesing. "I have a feeling if you got to really know your neo-nazi authoritarianism-loving neighbor you'd realize he's actually just like you". Fuck off Dan. Right-wing extremism and the Republican party are the problem in America. Period.
And he had the audacity go call people who "simplify" the problem fools after waxing philosophical about how a Donald Trump presidency might be good for America on a show called Common Sense of all things.
Unsubscribing from CS.
And he had the audacity go call people who "simplify" the problem fools after waxing philosophical about how a Donald Trump presidency might be good for America on a show called Common Sense of all things.
Unsubscribing from CS.
Then maybe it was for the best. Just because he likes to over-intellectualize things and reads lots of history books doesn't mean his both sides bullshit is any less disingenuous and harmful towards the goal of addressing what the real root problems are.
He was dead wrong about his "outsider shaking things up" thought experiment come to life, the least he could do is fess up to it.
I've been using Musicolet. It's ad-free and doesn't even have any internet permissions. Just a straight up music player.
Dan has nothing to offer with Common Sense. His points on corruption and executive overreach are always salient, and he can trot out some elementary parallels between the decline of the US and the fall of the Roman Republic, but in the here and now his show is failing in its mission statement. Real common sense tells us that the Republican party is a faction in government and that their monolithic agenda represents an explicit desire for a white supremacist oligarchy. Dan alludes constantly the plight of blue collar workers in rural America because their issues are real to him; he spoke with them, lived with them, and relied on them to support his radio show. I understand his perspective, but I don't think he realizes how blind he is to the urgency beneath other issues facing Americans outside his microscopic intellectual corner. He just doesn't get it.
I'm pretty sure he did in one of the old CS shows. It was something like "Be careful what you wish for" and there was some other stuff he posted on twitter that made it seem he had become disillusioned because of the 2016 election.
I still think he's under the belief that people voted for Trump because of economic anxiety which is bullshit. Maybe that Grandma who just couldn't vote for Hilary so she decided to vote for Trump isn't a neo-nazi or a racist but how does that matter if shes willingly voting for a white supremacist. Either shes a racist or just doesn't care about minorities enough to not vote for one. I don't see the distinction and even assuming there is one to be found, would it matter to the people being affected by the racists' policies? I can't imagine it would.
I've been using podcast addict for quite a while now. Quite similar to pocket cast but also allows you to add custom files as podcast feed
I remember when I first discovered Common Sense after becoming a fan of Hardcore History years ago...and how completely infuriating his both sides shit was. I maybe made it through 2 or 3 episodes before I dropped it. He is a man with 0 common sense when it comes to politics, or he is willfully ignorant.
I use pocketcasts with my own files though?
Tap profile in the bottom right, then files. Add them there.
He strikes me as someone who refuses to see the malignant evil in his friends and family. He once couched racism and xenophobia as simply "people grew up a certain way and they want the place they live to stay that way". The cognitive dissonance is tearing him apart.
This comment by Dan seems particularly gross considering the current political scenario.
I don't think Dan is wrong, but no one gives a shit right now. This is a raw moment and people aren't interested in hearing what lessons history has to teach us about the long term ramifications of violent vs. non-violent protest.
This comment by Dan seems particularly gross considering the current political scenario.
Dammit, Dan. I used to respect your political opinions so much.
POLICE MURDERING INNOCENT BLACK MEN WOULD CEASE IF ONLY THE PROTESTORS WERE MORE LIKE GANDHI! PEACEFUL PROTESTS WERE CLEARLY WORKING SO WELL UP UNTIL THIS POINT!
How is it even possible for someone so brilliant about history to say something like this? The majority of my history knowledge comes from his show, so I'm very willing to accept that there's evidence pointing to peaceful protests being more effective than violent ones, but I sure as hell haven't seen any evidence of things working like that in my lifetime.
POLICE MURDERING INNOCENT BLACK MEN WOULD CEASE IF ONLY THE PROTESTORS WERE MORE LIKE GANDHI! PEACEFUL PROTESTS WERE CLEARLY WORKING SO WELL UP UNTIL THIS POINT!
How is it even possible for someone so brilliant about history to say something like this? The majority of my history knowledge comes from his show, so I'm very willing to accept that there's evidence pointing to peaceful protests being more effective than violent ones, but I sure as hell haven't seen any evidence of things working like that in my lifetime.
It's really not a position that has much of a historical backing. Peaceful protests have done a lot of good in the past, but so has violence.
He has a blind spot when it comes to racism among his own.
Plus, peaceful protests only work when the protestees have some sense of shame.
I mean... right now Hong Kong has shown how a peaceful protest has ultimately failed and that if the state wants to impose some law, it will do so at the cost of its citizens if necessary.
He's right that violent protests are easy to de-legitimize, which is why apparently cops are just dressing up like protesters now as standard procedure, but peaceful protests assumes the state, or the people who support the state, actually want change. Clearly this is not the current American electorate.
And then you have Ghandi and Mandela, who were successful because of external factors forced upon the state which precipitated their successes.
He's right that violent protests are easy to de-legitimize, which is why apparently cops are just dressing up like protesters now as standard procedure, but peaceful protests assumes the state, or the people who support the state, actually want change. Clearly this is not the current American electorate.
And then you have Ghandi and Mandela, who were successful because of external factors forced upon the state which precipitated their successes.
How many examples of violent protests working do you have in your lifetime?
And really, non-violent protests for economic reasons are called worker strikes, and they work regularly in the world.
That said, I get where Carlin is coming from, but things have gone on for too long and tensions have run too high. Without a central spokesperson or organisation to rally around, what is a non-violent protest even to do? It'd just become like Occupy Wallstreet.
That said, now there's a violent protest. What exactly needs to happen for that violent protest to end? What's a believable, realistic solution anyone can offer to the protesters? Promise things will get better? No one is going to believe that. Either it peters out or people are going to die in continuous escalation.
I'm off on a tangent here and it's not really the topic to discuss this, but the way I see it the only real viable way to make things better is a non-violent, national protest rallied around a central person or organisation. For a 'Ghandi-like protest', you need a Ghandi. Hashtags and social media isn't going to achieve anything, but continuous escalation will end with dead protesters and added resentment versus the state.
Of course that's Carlin's take.
It's like he has this mental block that prevents him from applying history's lessons to this country. He's desperately clinging to his respect for his nazi friends and belief for the country's "genteel" reading of its own history. He recognizes that this country has become ridiculously corrupted to the point where it's almost impossible (probably totally impossible) for the system to correct itself, he realizes that the oppressed will inevitably lash out when repeatedly abused and insulted, he realizes that the third of the country that holds power over us live in a depraved fantasy world that can't possible see normal protest and social movements as legitimate, and that living in America in 2020 is like a waking nightmare for a majority of people (and that's if you get to survive), but he just can't put it together in his head.
Mass peaceful protest fixing everything would be awesome, but we all know that the powers in control of us have no sense of shame or empathy. That's their whole platform! They live to see us suffer and they've stopped even putting up an act about caring about anything else! This uprising is years overdue!
It's like he has this mental block that prevents him from applying history's lessons to this country. He's desperately clinging to his respect for his nazi friends and belief for the country's "genteel" reading of its own history. He recognizes that this country has become ridiculously corrupted to the point where it's almost impossible (probably totally impossible) for the system to correct itself, he realizes that the oppressed will inevitably lash out when repeatedly abused and insulted, he realizes that the third of the country that holds power over us live in a depraved fantasy world that can't possible see normal protest and social movements as legitimate, and that living in America in 2020 is like a waking nightmare for a majority of people (and that's if you get to survive), but he just can't put it together in his head.
Mass peaceful protest fixing everything would be awesome, but we all know that the powers in control of us have no sense of shame or empathy. That's their whole platform! They live to see us suffer and they've stopped even putting up an act about caring about anything else! This uprising is years overdue!
Peaceful protest only works when it's made clear that if it's not listened to then violence is the next step. All these movements are purposely whitewashed and sanitised by the powerful to demonise the use of force even amongst those people that would otherwise aline with the protesters. To pretend that that violence doesn't work is completely ahistorical. Also don't forget that both MLK and Ghandi were fucking killed!
As far as violent protests and resistance movements that have worked (Whether you agree with their ideology or not), well:
-American rev
-French Rev
-Russian revs
-Haitian rev
-the end of chattel slavery in America
-basically every anti-colonial independence movement inc Vietnam and Algeria and Ireland
-ending Apartheid
-Stonewall
-pretty much all Dickensian/Gilded Age strikes, and a lot since.
Do I wish systemic change could be effected non-violently? Of course. But be real.
Look at the response to Kapernic, to MLK in his day, to Palestinians existing, to any kind of labour movement. Anything that disputes the order is "violence".
As far as violent protests and resistance movements that have worked (Whether you agree with their ideology or not), well:
-American rev
-French Rev
-Russian revs
-Haitian rev
-the end of chattel slavery in America
-basically every anti-colonial independence movement inc Vietnam and Algeria and Ireland
-ending Apartheid
-Stonewall
-pretty much all Dickensian/Gilded Age strikes, and a lot since.
Do I wish systemic change could be effected non-violently? Of course. But be real.
Look at the response to Kapernic, to MLK in his day, to Palestinians existing, to any kind of labour movement. Anything that disputes the order is "violence".
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Happy "Hardcore History day" indeed, Dan "violent riots don't solve anything cuz Ghandi" Carlin.
Bastard.
Bastard.
Fuck yeah! I've been really enjoying this series.
If that's the most problematic thing he's ever said, I'll consider that a win.
If that's the most problematic thing he's ever said, I'll consider that a win.
I know. HH is one of the best podcasts ever created and I'm so hyped to listen to the next installment, but saying "Happy Hardcore History day" feels exceptionally tone deaf given the, uh, historic nature of these disturbing times.
Also I'm drunk and upset so I'm more liable to lash out.
But I will begrudgingly admit I still adore Daniel.
Really enjoyed the latest episode. I knew the general outline of the Pacific War but have been eating up the details in this series. I had no idea the Battle of Midway was so quick and dirty. I can't imagine how those Japanese sailors and pilots must have felt watching their carriers get blown to shit in rapid succession. And I knew basically nothing about the Australian front in Papua New Guinea, so I'm very much looking forward to the next episode.
Dan gets a fairly big interview in the latest episode of Hardcore History Addendum as he interviews Tom Hanks about the upcoming film, "Greyhound."
He rightly notes how dangerous Trump is and that he's voting for Biden for that reason. He also rightly calls out 2nd amendment types for supporting an authoritarian type despite their rhetoric.
But....
About two thirds of the way through he blames some of the escalating of the rhetoric on the riots, invoking MLK and Gandhi. Calls the riots "billboard material" that will keep moderates from joining them. I had to stop at that point.
I remember Dan saying before the 2016 election that Trump may be a necessary evil, to now saying that he's the most dangerous president in history and worried about a civil war.
Yeah dude, you voting for the fucking libertarian party really helped out there.
Yeah dude, you voting for the fucking libertarian party really helped out there.