FootyEra 21/22 Season |OT| Things are getting Messi

[Yesterzine]

Here's a conspiracy theory.

They've ordered them to keep playing but also given them 0 revenue options.

Is the plan to make them fall into administration, Roman forfeits the club, it's bought by someone for £1 minus debts and we go back to football with a 10 point deduction that might not even take them out of europe.

 

[Uzzy]

Hilarious. Do Chelsea still have a million players out on loan? Wonder what happens there.

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Chelsea can still pay any ongoing costs, so wages to players on loan. But any money going to Chelsea is banned by this sanction, so it'd either get held in an escrow account until the sanctions are lifted, or the license holder might ask the Government to allow those funds to come in.

 

[Yesterzine]

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This is a bit clown shoes.

Selling a football player - Not "Football related"
Selling a ticket to a football match - Not "Football related"
Selling a dodgy hot dog - "Football related"

 

[Firemind]

No way Roman will put any more money into this black hole. Chelsea is finished.

 

[Malcolm9]

No way Roman will put any more money into this black hole. Chelsea is finished.

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I would imagine that they'll find a way to allow the sale of the club, I'm not sure how that all works though with how everything is tied up.

 

[MrCibb]

This is a bit clown shoes.

Selling a football player - Not "Football related"
Selling a ticket to a football match - Not "Football related"
Selling a dodgy hot dog - "Football related"

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I'd guess the last one is just so the entire catering staff don't all lose their jobs today.

 

[Yesterzine]

No way Roman will put any more money into this black hole. Chelsea is finished.

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Well he literally can't right now of course.

I would imagine that they'll find a way to allow the sale of the club, I'm not sure how that all works though with how everything is tied up.

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Well that was my administration theory, force the club to fail and job done.

Although that implies Liz Truss having a coherent thought so it's a outside chance.

 

[ItchyTasty]

I would imagine that they'll find a way to allow the sale of the club, I'm not sure how that all works though with how everything is tied up.

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Feels like they are forcing a sale and grabbing the money

 

[Uzzy]

I'd guess the last one is just so the entire catering staff don't all lose their jobs today.

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Yup, and presumably denying however many season ticket holders food at the ground is a bit harsh and might make for security concerns.



This license means that any money going into the club is frozen though (Paragraph 6.3), so held in escrow.

 

[Firemind]

Well he literally can't right now of course.

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Then he can't pay the wages and the players will revolt. No normal ticket sales means there's little revenue. Do broadcasting rights get paid each month or do clubs get the whole sum before the season starts?

 

[Yesterzine]

I'd guess the last one is just so the entire catering staff don't all lose their jobs today.

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That's going to happen for a bunch of them anyway, there's about 28,000 season ticket holders and the ground is 42,000.

 

[Yesterzine]

Then he can't pay the wages and the players will revolt. No normal ticket sales means there's little revenue. Do broadcasting rights get paid each month or do clubs get the whole sum before the season starts?

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Yeah, the club bank accounts will of course already have money but it can't last that long given the huge drains and no revenue.

 

[Humidex]

Damn

 

[ItchyTasty]

Feels like they are forcing a sale and grabbing the money

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[Yesterzine]

There we go. They're basically just calling his bluff on the charity thing and making him do it quick.

 

[Macca]

Amazing thread

 

[Firemind]

There we go. They're basically just calling his bluff on the charity thing and making him do it quick.

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The cynic in me believes the Tory cunts set this up so one of their donors will get Chelsea at a bargain price.

 

[Yesterzine]

That is about the only scenario in which I'd believe they'd thought about this.

 

[Humidex]

The cynic in me believes the Tory cunts set this up so one of their donors will get Chelsea at a bargain price.

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Funny you say that...

British businessman 'plans Chelsea bid'

British businessman Nick Candy is "actively exploring a number of options for a potential bid" to buy Chelsea.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Casa]

As an American looking on from the outside this feels absolutely insane to me. We've had lots of despicable, hugely problematic owners who have been forced out and had to sell their clubs. Punish the owner, sanction the owner, force him to sell, bar him from any future involvement in the sport.

But to directly punish the millions of supporters, the players, the coaches, the staff who had ZERO to do with the deeds in question? How is that right?

As a Chelsea supporter I 100% agree that Abramovich had to go. It even makes a lot of sense that he shouldn't benefit financially from the sale. But to completely fuck over the supporters and players? That makes no sense at all to me.

 

[Uzzy]

 

[Yesterzine]

As an American looking on from the outside this feels absolutely insane to me. We've had lots of despicable, hugely problematic owners who have been forced out and had to sell their clubs. Punish the owner, sanction the owner, force him to sell, bar him from any future involvement in the sport.

But to directly punish the millions of supporters, the players, the coaches, the staff who had ZERO to do with the deeds in question? How is that right?

As a Chelsea supporter I 100% agree that Abramovich had to go. It even makes a lot of sense that he shouldn't benefit financially from the sale. But to completely fuck over the supporters and players? That makes no sense at all to me.

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That sanctions for you, we get it much better than the innocents in Russia, it's all designed to put pressure on Putin and there will be "collateral damage".

It sucks personally but it's still probably the right thing, if not perhaps precisely the way to do it. If they're going to allow a sale than it'll be fine.

 

[Herey]

Not really sure Chelsea fans can complain much, this is a decision by a tory government they all voted for

 

[The Living Tribunal]

Fuck Abramovich, expropriate the club and assets.

 

[Bestlaidplans]

As an American looking on from the outside this feels absolutely insane to me. We've had lots of despicable, hugely problematic owners who have been forced out and had to sell their clubs. Punish the owner, sanction the owner, force him to sell, bar him from any future involvement in the sport.

But to directly punish the millions of supporters, the players, the coaches, the staff who had ZERO to do with the deeds in question? How is that right?

As a Chelsea supporter I 100% agree that Abramovich had to go. It even makes a lot of sense that he shouldn't benefit financially from the sale. But to completely fuck over the supporters and players? That makes no sense at all to me.

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mAkEs nO SeNse

Clearly it does make sense to you:

Russia has begun a full-scale invasion in Ukraine [READ STAFF POSTS] News

Just briefly saw Senator Angus King on TV suggest that sanction relief could potentially come in theory if Russia commits to a ceasefire and withdraws their forces from Ukraine. But really, should that alone even be enough? I really don’t think it should, personally. Ultra-harsh sanctions...

www.resetera.com

Russia has begun a full-scale invasion in Ukraine [READ STAFF POSTS] News

Can China be punished in any way for essentially collaborating with Russia?

www.resetera.com

Russia has begun a full-scale invasion in Ukraine [READ STAFF POSTS] News

So when do the next round of even harsher sanctions get announced? What’s the hold up, getting Germany to agree to them or something?

www.resetera.com

 

[Sonix]

RIP lol

 

[Wamapoke]

Couldn't happen to a nicer set of fans.

 

[Casa]

mAkEs nO SeNse

Clearly it does make sense to you:

Russia has begun a full-scale invasion in Ukraine [READ STAFF POSTS] News

Just briefly saw Senator Angus King on TV suggest that sanction relief could potentially come in theory if Russia commits to a ceasefire and withdraws their forces from Ukraine. But really, should that alone even be enough? I really don’t think it should, personally. Ultra-harsh sanctions...

www.resetera.com

Russia has begun a full-scale invasion in Ukraine [READ STAFF POSTS] News

Can China be punished in any way for essentially collaborating with Russia?

www.resetera.com

Russia has begun a full-scale invasion in Ukraine [READ STAFF POSTS] News

So when do the next round of even harsher sanctions get announced? What’s the hold up, getting Germany to agree to them or something?

www.resetera.com

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What the fuck does any of that have to do with punishing the supporters of a football club?

 

[ItchyTasty]

What the fuck does any of that have to do with punishing the supporters of a football club?

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It is strange because apperently broadcasting money go into a special accound that they must use to pay staff and players. They could've done the same with tickets.

 

[His Majesty]

mAkEs nO SeNse

Clearly it does make sense to you:

Russia has begun a full-scale invasion in Ukraine [READ STAFF POSTS] News

Just briefly saw Senator Angus King on TV suggest that sanction relief could potentially come in theory if Russia commits to a ceasefire and withdraws their forces from Ukraine. But really, should that alone even be enough? I really don’t think it should, personally. Ultra-harsh sanctions...

www.resetera.com

Russia has begun a full-scale invasion in Ukraine [READ STAFF POSTS] News

Can China be punished in any way for essentially collaborating with Russia?

www.resetera.com

Russia has begun a full-scale invasion in Ukraine [READ STAFF POSTS] News

So when do the next round of even harsher sanctions get announced? What’s the hold up, getting Germany to agree to them or something?

www.resetera.com

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rip lol

as a Chelsea fan I applaud this move, targeted sanctions are good

 

[yagal]

mAkEs nO SeNse

Clearly it does make sense to you:

Russia has begun a full-scale invasion in Ukraine [READ STAFF POSTS] News

Just briefly saw Senator Angus King on TV suggest that sanction relief could potentially come in theory if Russia commits to a ceasefire and withdraws their forces from Ukraine. But really, should that alone even be enough? I really don’t think it should, personally. Ultra-harsh sanctions...

www.resetera.com

Russia has begun a full-scale invasion in Ukraine [READ STAFF POSTS] News

Can China be punished in any way for essentially collaborating with Russia?

www.resetera.com

Russia has begun a full-scale invasion in Ukraine [READ STAFF POSTS] News

So when do the next round of even harsher sanctions get announced? What’s the hold up, getting Germany to agree to them or something?

www.resetera.com

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😵

 

[Wamapoke]

What the fuck does any of that have to do with punishing the supporters of a football club?

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The feelings of Chelsea supporters does not matter one bit when deciding to freeze assets of Putin supporting Russian billionaires.

 

[whatsinaname]

What the fuck does any of that have to do with punishing the supporters of a football club?

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lol. 90% of those supporters arrived post Abramovich and his money. Fans didn't complain when all that money came pouring in. Or all the dodgy FFP side-steps. Can't take the plus-sides and then try to dissociate when the shit hits the fan.

 

[Uzzy]

Purely from a sporting pov now, this means that Chelsea are almost certain to lose defenders Cesar Azpilicueta, Antonio Rudiger and Andreas Christensen this summer, as their contracts expire and Chelsea can't offer them anything any time soon.

 

[jbug617]

Does Nike have to suspend sales of their kits because the profits would go to the Club?

 

[Timmm]

What the fuck does any of that have to do with punishing the supporters of a football club?

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Mate, you called for China to be sanctioned for "collaboration", you can't pull this argument out of your arse now

 

[His Majesty]

What the fuck does any of that have to do with punishing the supporters of a football club?

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Chelsea is an asset of Abramovich. Abramovich has close ties to Putin. Surely this cannot come as a surprise to you.

I think it's ironic that you were fine with ultra harsh sanctions (likely causing suffering among innocent civilians) but taking away football toys is where you draw the line.

 

[MrCibb]

Sanction the fuck out of Russia!!

*is very slightly impacted by sanctions*

Hang on this isn't fair, wtf?

 

[Casa]

Freeze his assets, sanction him personally, seize all of his London property, force him to sell Chelsea, never allow him to set foot in the UK again. Send every pound of the sale to Ukrainian war victims. All of that I support 100%.

Again, I fail to see how punishing people who had nothing at all to do with the actions of the owner is fair or reasonable. Why should the players on the pitch or the tens of millions of supporters around the globe bear the brunt of it?

 

[Uzzy]

Does Nike have to suspend sales of their kits because the profits would go to the Club?

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No. Third Parties can sell goods provided no funds go to the Club, and any contractual arrangements made prior to today can still be settled, but the funds would be frozen.

Freeze his assets, sanction him personally, seize all of his London property, force him to sell Chelsea, never allow him to set foot in the UK again. Send every pound of the sale to Ukrainian war victims. All of that I support 100%.

Again, I fail to see how punishing people who had nothing at all to do with the actions of the owner is fair or reasonable. Why should the players on the pitch or the tens of millions of supporters around the globe bear the brunt of it?

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I mean, that last point is exactly why the Government has taken steps to allow Chelsea to keep playing. It's rough around the edges but Chelsea can still play, they can finish out the season, be broadcast on TV and watched by fans, staff and players get their wages and they can compete for trophies etc. The alternative is Chelsea FC are shuttered today.

This just ensures no more money can go to Roman Abramovich.

 

[DGS]

Purely from a sporting pov now, this means that Chelsea are almost certain to lose defenders Cesar Azpilicueta, Antonio Rudiger and Andreas Christensen this summer, as their contracts expire and Chelsea can't offer them anything any time soon.

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Good. Bayern is looking for a defender, because Alaba went to Madrid und Süle is going to Dortmund this summer.

 

[Sonix]

Perfect timing. Bayern is looking for a defender, because Alaba went to Madrid und Süle is going to Dortmund this summer.

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True, Bayern need another scapegoat that "played like shit" after they chased off Bernat/Alaba/Süle

 

[Luke92]

What the fuck does any of that have to do with punishing the supporters of a football club?

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You do understand that various regimes use sports to whitewash, right? Abramovich certainly has had his influence with Putin and at this point, you have to draw a line. It sucks for low level, non-football related staff members, but honestly? I can't give a single fuck about supporters that have embraced Abramovich for years (even now! What the fuck). Coaching staff and players will find another club quickly if worst comes to worst. If Chelsea drops to irrelevancy, so be it. Seems weird to me to give Chelsea a special case here, you wouldn't be mad reading about a club falling to irrelevancy that was owned by like Hitler's buddy.

Coming from Germany, I might have a different view on ownership of sports clubs. No club is allowed to sell the majority to an investor and with recent developments, I'm happy with that.

 

[ItchyTasty]

Good. Bayern is looking for a defender, because Alaba went to Madrid und Süle is going to Dortmund this summer.

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Does Bayern pay good wages? He is asking for a lot I seem to recall. Would say he's going to psg but after their collapse yesterday... 😅

 

[Timmm]

Freeze his assets, sanction him personally, seize all of his London property, force him to sell Chelsea, never allow him to set foot in the UK again. Send every pound of the sale to Ukrainian war victims. All of that I support 100%.

Again, I fail to see how punishing people who had nothing at all to do with the actions of the owner is fair or reasonable. Why should the players on the pitch or the tens of millions of supporters around the globe bear the brunt of it?

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Maybe the sanctions are being put in place to get Chelsea supporters to rise up and depose Abramovic, thats how they work right?

 

[Casa]

No. Third Parties can sell goods provided no funds go to the Club, and any contractual arrangements made prior to today can still be settled, but the funds would be frozen.



I mean, that last point is exactly why the Government has taken steps to allow Chelsea to keep playing. It's rough around the edges but Chelsea can still play, they can finish out the season, be broadcast on TV and watched by fans, staff and players get their wages and they can compete for trophies etc. The alternative is Chelsea FC are shuttered today.

This just ensures no more money can go to Roman Abramovich.

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Things like no away fans, no new ticket sales, club shops being closed, limited funds for the team to travel. How does that punish Abramovich exactly? These things hurt only the players, staff, and fans.

 

[Sonix]

Things like no away fans, no new ticket sales, club shops being closed, limited funds for the team to travel. How does that punish Abramovich exactly? These things hurt only the players, staff, and fans.

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Very easy: Abramovich *owns* Chelsea. For all relevant matters Chelsea *is* Abramovitch. Sanction him = sanctioning Chelsea.

 

[ItchyTasty]

No. Third Parties can sell goods provided no funds go to the Club, and any contractual arrangements made prior to today can still be settled, but the funds would be frozen.



I mean, that last point is exactly why the Government has taken steps to allow Chelsea to keep playing. It's rough around the edges but Chelsea can still play, they can finish out the season, be broadcast on TV and watched by fans, staff and players get their wages and they can compete for trophies etc. The alternative is Chelsea FC are shuttered today.

This just ensures no more money can go to Roman Abramovich.

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Yeah if anything this should make fans relieved since he can't cash out on the club and put all the money in Dubai.

Sounds like the club will be sold soon anyway, which should make the sanctions go away.

 

[Uzzy]

Things like no away fans, no new ticket sales, club shops being closed, limited funds for the team to travel. How does that punish Abramovich exactly? These things hurt only the players, staff, and fans.

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Abramovich owns the club, so any moneys going into the club would benefit him. That's what the sanctions are there to stop. Limited funds for travel is a minor thing, there to stop anyone at the club moving money out.

Like yeah it's gonna hurt. But again, the alternative is the asset is frozen today. That means Chelsea stop playing football right now. They're a wholly owned asset of Roman Abramovich, and the assets of sanctioned individuals are forced to stop operating. Chelsea are getting special exemptions to that because of the fans and importance of the club to a lot of people.

 

[His Majesty]

Again, I fail to see how punishing people who had nothing at all to do with the actions of the owner is fair or reasonable. Why should the players on the pitch or the tens of millions of supporters around the globe bear the brunt of it?

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I think you're very close to understanding why calling for "ultra harsh sanctions" is a bit ehh