Probably not, but the original game was still fresher in peoples' minds than it is nowadays.
I would be curious to see how many casual gamers, especially younger ones, are even that aware of it nowadays.
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Final Fantasy VII Remake shipped + digitally sold over 5 million copies; Highest selling digital title for Square Enix on PS (2 Million)
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I would be curious to see how many casual gamers, especially younger ones, are even that aware of it nowadays.
It's not really amazing at all. It's expected. The things that trip up other J-RPGs aren't there for Final Fantasy (looking so over the top anime and having weak production values). Most JRPGs always look like they're a generation behind. FF and KH were the only ones that didn't, and surprisingly KH sells amazing too (though this is also because of the Disney characters). Monster Hunter upgraded it's graphics and switched to something that had slightly more mass appeal and boom, suddenly it's sold 15.5m copies world wide.
And no, it didn't have one mediocre entry. FF XIV was trash until they retooled it. Even FF XV was liked but wasn't loved--they had to add simple shit like the ability to play as other characters. I don't think I'm out of line to say FF7 Remake is the closest thing to a must-play title in ages.
Monster hunter at least now sell way better last number was 16 million .
I'd actually be shocked if FFVIIR ends up doubling its current sales numbers, and moreso if it outsold the original game's ~12 million units. The PC release will be big, I'm sure, but aren't the legs for individual Final Fantasy releases traditionally very anemic? The only game that had ongoing legs was the original FFVII, which ended up cresting 12 million over the course of 22 years, but that had an ongoing cultural relevancy that the other games in the series have lacked
As a franchise it doesn't. Monster Hunter World sold a ton of copies, but every other entry is behind what the top selling FF entries are, and FF has been selling for a lot longer.
If MH is able to pull that off for several more entries, it will pass FF.
FFVIIR part 1 due to the nature of this game will almost certainly get a bunch of "definitive" or "remastered" versions on PS5/XsX in addition to the vanilla release. We also haven't hit a single holiday season with the game. It will pass the PS1 FF7 pretty easily, all things considered. Does it pass 12 million? who knows. But if it does that still puts it head and shoulders above the rest of the series.
The success of this game was never in doubt, the real question is whether or not the Final Fantasy fanbase will be more receptive to the sequels than they have been in the past.
The good thing this has going for it is that we've known from the start that this is a multi-game project and i'm confident that the next game will be even better than the first. With X-2 and the XIII sequels it was pretty obvious that they weren't planned and there was also a drop in budget and quality.
The good thing this has going for it is that we've known from the start that this is a multi-game project and i'm confident that the next game will be even better than the first. With X-2 and the XIII sequels it was pretty obvious that they weren't planned and there was also a drop in budget and quality.
MHW is a multiplayer action game, mainline FF games are single player and story driven, it's an apples to oranges comparison.
Yeah but i thought we talk about the games now since a IP can get bigger and the past don't matter as much .
If the next MH sell more than the next FF again it would be a bigger IP currently , still not like it matter since i don't think people would call MH a JRPG.
I don't think the game will sell another 7 million copies on PS4+PC+XB1, and that was what I was talking about in my prediction.
Definitely got my digital purchase. Best Buy couldn't meet the release date delivery and I couldn't wait 3 days.
That comment specifically was talking about the management of FF as a franchise, not an individual game.
Square execs are having orgies right now. 5 million at full price is a lot of money.
The game will continue sell well for decades, and will receive few big bumps when sequels arrive.
If we're only comparing it to the PS1 release, does that mean you're expecting the PS4 version of FFVIIR to break 9.8 million, or are you including multiple platforms in that comparison? If the latter, that seems more than a little lopsided
Do Final Fantasy games released early in the year normally push significant numbers in the holiday? The only point of comparison I could theoretically access here is Media Create, and I think the answer is probably a pretty firm "no"
I think based on this data, it wouldn't be wise for Square to sign an exclusivity deal with Sony for FF16 because it will only limit the growth of the franchise. Unless Sony is throwing a TON of money at them, that is.
It'll sell 3-4m on PC alone, and will definitely sell another 2m on PS4. 5m in 4 months on a single platform vs 12m in 25 years on like 12 platforms....
It's disappointing if you thought this would be a cultural phenom like the original and that it would outdo Animal Crossing. But you would be foolish to have believed that. These are good sales. Now are they great in Square Enix's eyes? I'm not sure because they sometimes have some very unrealistic expectations.
You're having so much fun with this lol.
I don't XV didn't even do half of that. 2-3 for both PC/Xbox seems about right.
Different ballgame. There really only WAS one significant platform where FF7 could have shown up in the PS1 era (the original had a PC release, but it was sub 1 million IIRC). That audience for that game is more fragmented in the modern era. The reason we restrict it to the PS1 release of FF7, because if you count "all versions" of that game the digital re-releases on PSN, Steam, etc decades after the original release it inflates the sales by a lot and distorts how popular the game was in the 90s.
Holiday sales are when most of the casual audience buys everything. Anything outside of that period is usually catering to the core and hardcore audience. Black Friday through Christmas will add significant sales to the title, but tough to say exactly how much, its a weird year with the COVID stuff.
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I don't know where you're getting your numbers from, unless they've updated OG FF7 recently after all of its $5 PSN sales, which are largely irrelevant to the $50-$60 sales that FF7R is getting right now, and will continue to get when it goes to Xbox and PC.
Your thread was locked because the premise of it (sales being disappointing) was factually wrong.
It was wrong to the point where the truth is the literal opposite.
It's selling as well as the original title if not better than the original title on PS1. The only real difference is that FF7 ads aren't constantly on television.
This thread was created because Square Enix is literally bragging about it's sales.
That tomb raider headline from 7 years ago from a different CEO is like the only thing people remember about Square Enix lol.
Sorry that's totally subjective.
I think FF tactics has a better story.
You'd be in the minority on that, especially if you're talking about the original PS1 release. The localization on that was so bad the game was nearly incoherent. Comparing THAT game to the extremely well crafted, well acted, and well developed cast and dialogue of GOW PS4 is laughable.
The Windows version of the game was pretty popular and released in... I think it was June of '98? We don't have a sales breakdown for that version, though, so it's impossible to say how well the "initial release" of FF7 did, since those numbers only ever describe the PSX version.
Regardless: I think your expectations for the first part of FF7R are too high, but you're right we won't have a clean idea until after the holiday. That said? Keep an eye on those charts: if it doesn't show up in the top 30 for Media Create or the released numbers for NPD, you can put to bed the idea of the PS4 version having bigger legs than the rest of the series
Most beloved game of all time with 10 million sales in the original release... In 10 years. Sorry but you are delusional. Jrpgs never had COD sales (barring pokemon). 7 remake is poised to be the most successful FF.
The War of the Lions version is better.
Honestly, I think War of the Lions is probably one of the best localizations I've seen from Square next to VS, FFXII and Tactics Ogre.
they've been around before- it's somewhere less than a million units for the original, boxed PC release. PC wasn't really a huge platform for console type games in 1998.
Why would I look at NPD or Media Create when the overwhelming amount of PS4 consoles aren't sold in either territory?
And the game would be selling faster if it was available on more platforms... You're not making a good point here.
Yeah, maybe it was better than the Rise of the Tomb Raider deal with Xbox where its sequel ended up having no timed exclusive deal.
We'll probably never know, oh well.
It's not as if the game being multiplatform meant that it would have sold less on PS4. It's a single player action jrpg that can be played offline.
Wow, having to post this again:
Because the vast majority of Final Fantasy 7 Remake copies were.
Square Enix is bragging about the sales.
Trustworthy insiders are saying that Square is so happy that It has expanded the scope of the next game.
You are wrong. It is very good.
..so far. COVID does weird things to game sales numbers and that title hit right when the US went into extreme lockdown. The rest of the world wasn't really in that boat as they managed the crisis better.
FF doesn't usually sell REALLY well in the US and JP and next to nothing in EU. I expect as we get through the holiday season that sales for that title will eventually become more proportionate.
I'm convinced people in this site want the game to fail and are trying hard to make it seem the case and I find that pretty sad.
Has there ever been a case where a game that sold relatively low in the first half of the year ended up selling spectacularly during its first holiday, over 6 months later? Much less a JRPG? I'm trying to see where this expectation is coming from but coming up short
Not really an RPG but Monster Hunter sales potential per title is way past FF now as the biggest Japanese third party franchise since MHW. Weird to list it as "distantly behind"!
I think it's more along the lines of just not having a realistic idea of how JRPGs usually sell. FF has never really been the kind of game that does the numbers TLOU or Animal Crossing are right now. Someone else even said the original FF7 PS1 was a "phenomenon" while this one wasn't- but sales of the two titles honestly aren't all that different after 5 months.
FF7R sales are not "relatively low" at all. They're at franchise highs. And yes, longer tails do happen, especially when the game hasn't had significant price drops or seen a holiday season yet. The game will do fine, and should pass FF7 PS1 without a problem once it goes multiplatform.
Again- that comment was specifically referring to FF as a "franchise" vs. everything else "as a franchise." monster hunter world sold very well, but FF has more entries with higher sales over a longer period of time. Monster Hunter isn't quite there yet, but likely will be if it continues in the direction its in. And yes, monster hunter world is pretty far from what I would call a JRPG- it's a multiplayer loot based game with a paper thin narrative that isn't at all similar to the single player story driven content that FF7 is.
That's the last time I'll comment on this.
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That's fantastic. Game has kept its price really high too from what I could tell, only got a decent sale these recent days.
Also not surprised to see some insane takes here lol
Also not surprised to see some insane takes here lol
I hesitated to use the phrasing I did, but you are the one who suggested that European sales of the game were "next to nothing" in the first place and that you expect the holidays to make up the difference compared to other territories.
Longer tails certainly happen, but I don't htink it's ever been the case for single releases of Final Fantasy since the original FFVII, and that game did not have the kind of tail that would be necessary to make European numbers stand side-by-side with US numbers. The specific shape you're talking about just hasn't happened to the best of my knowledge, though if you have specific examples I'd be happy to be corrected
The game's already done fine; that's not a question. It's a grand success. The confidence that its legs in the coming holiday will see a significant boost in sales, though, seems erroneous
