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Also find it funny that even with the Mimic just to get the platinum quickly M took 5-6 tries lmao, what a monster
Yeah. I have 45 vigor and am playing a pure melee str build. Been smooth sailing so far. Just got past the capital. I trade blows with bosses, its great. Ill probably go higher as well.
Then you get to the last portion and everything two shots, three shots if you are lucky
Oh man, trying to help people beat Radahn in co-op is the real Dark Souls. That's where that boss's difficulty really comes through in a kind of ridiculous way.
Ponyboi gets a bigger HP bar which is rough enough, but the big thing is you don't have access to the horse. That alone makes the fight a million times harder and much more tedious than fighting him solo ("solo").
It's maybe the only fight I can think of in the entire Soulsborne series where summoning help makes the boss like an order of magnitude tougher.
Ponyboi gets a bigger HP bar which is rough enough, but the big thing is you don't have access to the horse. That alone makes the fight a million times harder and much more tedious than fighting him solo ("solo").
It's maybe the only fight I can think of in the entire Soulsborne series where summoning help makes the boss like an order of magnitude tougher.
If anyone is doing an INT or a INT/DEX build I recommend the Sword of Night and Flame and Moonveil. Those two weapons have helped progress the game tremendously.
I thinks so yeah, did that as well. Perhaps it's the connection issue on either side uh... But sometimes those statues aren't working?
Unfortunately that's the last point the damage felt balanced enough around the soft cap, the next area after the capital the damage spikes up.
Yes, people need to put way, way more points in Vigor, but even a melee 'tank' build with closer to 2k HP can still be reliably two-shot by most boss attacks. Health wise I feel like you just need enough HP to survive a single hit and take fire/tick damage while you wait for an opening to pop a flask without the boss using it's punish.
Consider an attack that does say, 900 dmg with a 200 dmg burn effect. Someone with 1,200 HP and someone with 1,900 HP both die in two hits. There's no difference. All that matters is surviving long enough to pop a flask so you can survive another hit. And that's where it gets more complicated because their attacks are usually long multi-stage combos, involve AOE and ground hazards, or transition into another attack sequence.
So even if you survive a hit that might kill someone else instantly, you still have to perfectly time when to rise and lose your invulnerability frames and also when to roll away and get them back to avoid being insta-gibbed. There are some situations where even though you can technically survive two hits, it's still an effective OHKO because you can't actually avoid the second source of damage no matter how quickly or slow you get up.
Consider an attack that does say, 900 dmg with a 200 dmg burn effect. Someone with 1,200 HP and someone with 1,900 HP both die in two hits. There's no difference. All that matters is surviving long enough to pop a flask so you can survive another hit. And that's where it gets more complicated because their attacks are usually long multi-stage combos, involve AOE and ground hazards, or transition into another attack sequence.
So even if you survive a hit that might kill someone else instantly, you still have to perfectly time when to rise and lose your invulnerability frames and also when to roll away and get them back to avoid being insta-gibbed. There are some situations where even though you can technically survive two hits, it's still an effective OHKO because you can't actually avoid the second source of damage no matter how quickly or slow you get up.
I'm playing an almost pure STR build as well and imo your problem comes from all the running around.
Get your summons going and then get in there. Most of his attacks can be dodged or at least most damage mitigated. Also as long as you stay pretty close to him he will never actually shoot the meteors I think. He only shot them at me when I rode away, trying to get some buffs or summons in.
Especially one of his gravity attacks takes several seconds and if you can dodge under him it will give you a window of I'd say 5 seconds every gime.
Get your summons going and then get in there. Most of his attacks can be dodged or at least most damage mitigated. Also as long as you stay pretty close to him he will never actually shoot the meteors I think. He only shot them at me when I rode away, trying to get some buffs or summons in.
Especially one of his gravity attacks takes several seconds and if you can dodge under him it will give you a window of I'd say 5 seconds every gime.
I'd say Midir is another one, the HP can get a bit... Let's say large
As much as I'm loving the game, and I'm loving it quite a bit, I'm getting real sick of the catacombs. The amount of bespoke content is really impressive, but it's a bummer to stumble upon a secret cave and realize "oh, it's another one of these."
I got the Mimic summon and jeez, you guys were not kidding about it being broken, lol.
I got the Mimic summon and jeez, you guys were not kidding about it being broken, lol.
Just got to one of those secret endgame areas. Can't-see-shit snowy part followed by invisible assassins, this is DS2 DLC territory.
Yeah, this makes some bosses SO much harder. It doesn't feel like it's intended, considering you can't mount even in the open world during co-op. It'd be a damn chore to help people outside closed areas.
Can PS4 players play with PS5? That's the only thing I can think because it sounds like you're doing everything correct. You don't need to activate summoning pools if you have a password enabled so I'm not sure what the issue is.
It can also take 20-30 seconds for a sign to pop up in their game.
His first phase is really easy, but his second is relentless, even with damage reduction and just one damage taken increase talisman to dodge one of his attacks better he was oneshotting me even though the debuff of the other talisman was smaller than the damage reduction buff
Boss fights have never really been the draw to me for these games, but part of it for me is that it's a real big change of pace from the rest of the game. Prior to the last chunk of the game there aren't really a lot of mandatory bosses, you're kind of free to do things in whatever order you want, so the pace is a bit slower and there are generally larger gaps between the properly big fights. After the Fire Giant you get the Duo and Maliketh very close to one another, then straight after that you have Gideon, Godfrey, and the paired fight with Radagon and the Elden Beast with no normal enemies in between them. It's like they backloaded all the mandatory fights, and tbh it got kinda tiresome finishing one boss, walking up a flight of stairs to find another one, then going up yet another small set of stairs to find another boss. Feel like it really would have benefited from shifting some of them around and having more quiet time between them.
Personally they all kind of started to blend together by the end too, aside from Gideon. They're all fast moving, equally effective at long and close range, have huge AoE attacks, hit incredibly hard and generally have fairly small margins for error. I completely appreciate that the bosses have to be harder and more flexible in order to keep up with all the new tools you get given, but I don't particularly find fights like that fun, so it just felt like *a lot* to me. It's probably in part because I haven't played much of anything else since launch, but after pretty much all of those late game fights I was just glad it was over, which definitely wasn't the case with a lot of the earlier fights.
FWIW by this point in the game I was at like 45 VIG or so, which should surely be enough - although I did end up using Morgott's rune for extra health in the FINAL final boss
I agree. Radahn is actually easier using the in-game summons rather than a co-op summon. His HP is already lager enough with the boosting from co-op.
The second phase of the last boss is infuriatingly boring for a melee user especially when you can die if you get bad RNG on the order of attacks
Looking at older boss designs from older soul games I can see they're much more slower and telegraphed along with in some cases easier to stagger or lower health bars. This is just a point of view from someone who hasn't played any other FromSoft game besides Elden ring but I don't know if that kind of design would last long as player skill goes up along with the tools available to the player also increases. I guess it's funny because I thought the Elden ring boss design was the norm for souls games but the bosses used to be much more lumbering and more telegraphed based on what I've watched.
when you play coop you can be invaded without inviting, thats why you get 2 v 1s, youre invading people tha are just co-oping
Yep, Elden Ring bosses also did something I'm sure a lot of people will hate but I personally loved. Namely, MMO-like attacks with areas of effect and tells that give you ample warning to run away or jump over. It's a really strange thing for Souls bosses but I thought the implementation was mostly great, bar a few exceptions.
I gotta say I disagree with this. You have to get off your horse and search. The way it is now everything you find is so much more meaningful and valued. When you find that cave which is tricky to perceive through your thoroughness it feels great.
I really don't want 'the wind' or whatever telling we where to find stuff like Ghosts.
Having said that, there are pointers in the world I think they're just fairly subtle.
This is a world in the style of Morrowind; it's not handing you stuff. Stuff is there if you look for it.
I'm not mad at you specifically just the logic of this argument, just a warning because I feel it merits caps lock haha.
NOTHING IN THE GAME HINTS BALL BEARINGS EXIST OR THAT THEY CAN PROVIDE STONES. INTERNET SEARCHES ARE NOT A REPLACEMENT FOR IN-GAME MECHANICS.
*exhales*. Whew. Anyway, did you self-discover the game mechanic of *some* ball bearings providing stones by yourself? And if you did, did you find all the locations by yourself or did you consult the internet for the rest?
At least one of the stone bell bearings is a boss drop in a relatively early mine dungeon, so it does stand to reason that there would be others.
90h later and I've been able to jump everything except AOE, for some reason if I'm at the peak of my jump I get hit, I decided to just roll through explosions as usual
Yeah not all of them allow you to jump over, but most of Radagan's for example do.
I'm really digging moonveil but would you suggest pumping faith to use night and flame? i think it's like 24 FTH requirement if I'm not mistaken, my faith is at 10 at the mo lol
some of you nerds give me a lore explanation for this late game thing:
what is the purpose of crumbling farum azula? why do you have to go there after the forge and not just straight for the erdtree?
Not that I'm aware of. As far as I know, the host of fingers does get the reward as if they killed the invader, though.
I'm trying but he just knocks me off my horse in one hit...
I don't know how long I'll keep trying.
I just got my STR, DEX, and FTH to the required amount put this rest into mind and intelligence. Your normal r1 and r2 scale from all the stats. L2 and R2 scale using faith and the L2 and R1 scale using intelligence.
Those are actually quite lenient even for rolls, love that boss even if he two shot me haha
Did you personally find or explore that location before you learned about it on the internet though? Not whether a player could theoretically do it, did you do it that way? And again, even if you did, did you find the other locations yourself or did you look it up?
I don't mean to be antagonistic but it's not an argument to say it 'could' happen that way. The nature of an open world means most players do not follow a set path so things being available 'early' has nothing to do with whether they are reliably discoverable or signified as critically important.
Saying you need to randomly discover something to learn a mechanic even exists in the game is not justifiable (let alone giving direction on finding the rest of the ball bearings to make the mechanic actually usable). So many players just google stuff or read the wiki and then act like it's obvious in retrospect when it's anything but.
I didn't understand it either, just assumed there was someone there needed to defeat lmao
When you reach Roundtable Hold you have the two mummified ladies and one of the options when interacting with them is "offer Bell Bearing." At that point I had no idea what those were obviously but I only had to give them one later to figure out "oh, they're like the ashes in DS3." That's it.
To acquire the Rune of Death and bypass the god's immortality.
Yeah I understand that it's frustrating. I did discover a bunch of the stone bell bearings during my playthrough. Not all of them, but I also wasn't super thorough. It was enough to fill in the gaps when I wanted to upgrade a new weapon, because I generally had a good amount of stones.
If I wanted to get them all I would probably have to look them up, but I think most of them can be found in certain types of locations (caves mostly).
Sounds good, I might check it out! I love how easy it is to respec in this game, makes trying different types of weapons a lot of fun
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