3 TF is an insane difference. The percentage differences are meaningless in this case.
Read the post again. The entire post is the past tense. Which means, it has already happened.
So, obviously full spec sheets and prices have been released for Xbox Series X, "Lockhart" and Playstation 5.
Thats how they can say it.
I don't think people really understand the overall upgrade next gen will be.This is not how the real world works. Willing to bet the differences are going to be a lot smaller compared to the X1/PS4. The % difference is the big differentiator. And the CPU/SSD will play a huge role this gen.
LOL. That's why console wars is stupid. The only reason some people may think 9TF is poor is because another console might be 12TF.When folks start talking about waiting 2 1/2 to 3 years for the next piece of hardware to be more powerful when the first model isnt even available yet, you know shits done collapsed. lol
This is not how the real world works. Willing to bet the differences are going to be a lot smaller compared to the X1/PS4. The % difference is the big differentiator. And the CPU/SSD will play a huge role this gen.
Meanwhile, if both consoles would be ~9TF and PC gamers would say they seemed weak you'd have both camps take turns defending the specs explaining how it would be enough and shift the talk toward the SSDs. And all of a sudden same SSDs comes to PC and then power doesn't matter and it's all about the games again. Then something else happens and it's all about the price. Etc. It really is a red ocean like Reggie said.The waters are incredibly calm and peaceful at their end.LOL. That's why console wars is stupid. The only reason some people may think 9TF is poor is because another console might be 12TF.
To be fair, 3TF is a pretty large amount of compute. I'm sure developers can do a whole lot with that (not like its a confirmation of anything to be honest, this is all rumour and speculation).
That being said I agree, the huge leaps are going to be felt in the CPU and access times side of things.
I do wonder what it will mean for things like open world environment design. Are we looking at games where transitions to other areas ie dungeons, other structures are completely eliminated? Man I can't believe its 2020 already!
Would it? They basically had the same thing this gen, with the Xbox One being phased out for the new and improved Xbox One S and Xbox One X. If they release the Xbox Series X together with the X, there's still nothing stopping them from phasing out one of the models and replacing it with another one.Was thinking about this. If Sony wants they can do a pro refresh twice as powerful (15-18tf) 2 years and half later and have 2 sku like now. What will ms do ? Keep their do ? For for 3 sku ? That would be a nightmare
They probably leaked it themselves to get the shit storm out of the way before the actual reveal.
LmaoWhen folks start talking about waiting 2 1/2 to 3 years for the next piece of hardware to be more powerful when the first model isnt even available yet, you know shits done collapsed. lol
Raw difference isn't that important, it's the percentage difference.XB1X is noticeably different compared to ps4pro, and that's like a 1.8tf difference or something. 3, on newer tech as well, is going to be crazy. Kind of hope Sony can close that gap a bit, but I plan to get a ps5 regardless.
I doubt the tech will be ready for launches that soon. Process nodes are almost done.Sony pretty much already confirmed (at least that it worked on this gen. and they want to do it again). PS5 Pro on 2023/24 and PS6 on 2026/27
LOL. That's why console wars is stupid. The only reason some people may think 9TF is poor is because another console might be 12TF.
I think overall power upgrades with the latest tech won't see a pressing need for it like last gen.I would imagine it depends on how long this next console generation lasts along with how rapidly the tech in those consoles gets left behind.
The great thing about these stopgap 'Pro' consoles is that they are entirely optional and cater to those of us willing to pay for extra juice as the base systems get long in the tooth.
If we reach a point three years in where these consoles are chugging to keep up, I don't see why Sony and MS wouldn't give us the option again.
I think overall power upgrades with the latest tech won't see a pressing need for it like last gen.
3 TF is an insane difference. The percentage differences are meaningless in this case.
I don't think 20+ TF GPU's will be so cheap by 2023, Sony & MS got lucky this gen that intense competition from Nvidia & AMD created products like the super cheap RX 480 that was more than 2x the performance of the PS4, i can't see AMD making a 20+ TF GPU for $199 in 2023 for Sony/MS to snap up, unless they are happy with more of a 50% increase instead of more than 2x.I would imagine it depends on how long this next console generation lasts along with how rapidly the tech in those consoles gets left behind.
The great thing about these stopgap 'Pro' consoles is that they are entirely optional and cater to those of us willing to pay for extra juice as the base systems get long in the tooth.
If we reach a point three years in where these consoles are chugging to keep up, I don't see why Sony and MS wouldn't give us the option again.
LOL. That's why console wars is stupid. The only reason some people may think 9TF is poor is because another console might be 12TF.
Oh it mattered more last generation. No question about it, but the overall power upgrade is going to make it matter less.Not really. This is basically a 1:1 repeat of PS4, which was almost unanimously regarded as an underpowered generational leap in terms of paper specs despite being the most powerful. PS4 was a modified year and a half old 7850 while PS5 looks to be a modified year and a half old 5700XT.
What if the xsx 12tf is the high end pro model and the 9tf ps5 is the base model?
Oh it mattered more last generation. No question about it, but the overall power upgrade is going to make it matter less.
If you want you can google and take a quick peak at what a 3TF difference does on PC GPUs. Even when you're comparing different generations like a 8tf 1070ti vs 11tf 1080ti and zero optimization on games I'd say that there is nothing "crazy" going on. And consoles can have all kinds of differences besides the teraflops that could improve other aspects of the system instead.XB1X is noticeably different compared to ps4pro, and that's like a 1.8tf difference or something. 3, on newer tech as well, is going to be crazy. Kind of hope Sony can close that gap a bit, but I plan to get a ps5 regardless.
Because the overall power upgrade relative to the tech available wasn't a big jump, as opposed to prior gens or next gen which is my point.What I'm saying is people aren't disappointed with 9TF just because there's a 12TF Xbox. People were already disappointed with a 1.8TF PS4 despite there not being a 2.1TF Xbox. The problem is ultimately that people don't want nearly 2 year old budget PC GPUs in brand new consoles.
Yeah its ridiculous how some console/tech fans work, why enjoy a system now with the games i want and be happy with what it is when i can wait almost 3 years to buy a more powerful upgrade then complain on the internet its weak shit because of X reasonsWhen folks start talking about waiting 2 1/2 to 3 years for the next piece of hardware to be more powerful when the first model isnt even available yet, you know shits done collapsed. lol
This is not how the real world works. Willing to bet the differences are going to be a lot smaller compared to the X1/PS4. The % difference is the big differentiator. And the CPU/SSD will play a huge role this gen.
Yeah its ridiculous how some console fans work, why enjoy a system now with the games i want and be happy with what it is when i can wait almost 3 years to buy a more powerful upgrade then complain on the internet its weak shit because of X reasons
Ya especially when you can usually upgrade for $100.Yeah its ridiculous how some console fans work, why enjoy a system now with the games i want and be happy with what it is when i can wait almost 3 years to buy a more powerful upgrade then complain on the internet its weak shit because of X reasons
I'm not sure that example shows what you want it to, because comparing the 1080 Ti and 1070 Ti at 4K gives the impression that the 3TF difference produces massive improvements, especially as consoles move into an unlocked VRR world.Even when you're comparing different generations like a 8tf 1070ti vs 11tf 1080ti and zero optimization on games I'd say that there is nothing "crazy" going on.
I would simply wait and see how each runs third party titles. That's really the only way to tell.I am personally more attracted to Sony's more traditional approach of simply releasing the PS5 as their next-gen console as opposed to MS's supposed strategy of releasing a budget model and a high-end model. I think developers will optimize around the PS5 since it will be more popular and its power level sort of splits the difference between Lockhart and Series X. They'll start with the PS5 version, then tune it down for Lockhart and tune it up for X.
What I'm more concerned about is if Sony can deliver a well-engineered piece of console hardware. The PS4 Pro is obnoxiously loud and looks like 3 grey Wendy's meat patties sloppily stacked on top of each other.
Not really. This is basically a 1:1 repeat of PS4, which was almost unanimously regarded as an underpowered generational leap in terms of paper specs despite being the most powerful. PS4 was a modified year and a half old 7850 while PS5 looks to be a (then) modified year and a half old 5700XT.
Telling ya broski; gamers are a special kind of miserable. Shit takes time, talent and determination to be so fucking unhappy with spending ass loads of money on a hobby only to complain about it vehemently all year round.Yeah its ridiculous how some console/tech fans work, why enjoy a system now with the games i want and be happy with what it is when i can wait almost 3 years to buy a more powerful upgrade then complain on the internet its weak shit because of X reasons
Maybe. When i look at it like 56 cus vs 36 cus...eehh..thats a problem. I understand about clocks, but understand they should be similar bottom line. Thats bigger than the percentage cu difference xbo to base ps4 (18 vs 12). And that difference turned out to be brutal. With same cpu.
Sonys best hope imo still remains that lockhart muddies the waters. If sony is targeting one 9 tf spec and ms is targeting two, 4 and 12, it could help sony a ton in public perception of power. Will be interesting.
Not really. This is basically a 1:1 repeat of PS4, which was almost unanimously regarded as an underpowered generational leap in terms of paper specs despite being the most powerful. PS4 was a modified year and a half old 7850 while PS5 looks to be a (then) modified year and a half old 5700XT.
I saw some figures that said ~20% difference in framerates, but like I said that's two different generations, different amount of memory, bus speeds etc, and no game specific optimization. Here we're likely talking about similar amount of video memory, roughly the same bus speed, the same generation gpu and the same cpu. I don't think 3TF will matter much at all to be honest, definitely nothing worth the word "crazy", the difference will be easily masked out with optimization.I'm not sure that example shows what you want it to, because comparing the 1080 Ti and 1070 Ti at 4K gives the impression that the 3TF difference produces massive improvements, especially as consoles move into an unlocked VRR world.
I mean in the 1070 Ti is at 53fps and the 1080 Ti is at 71 in a game like Hitman, that is a huge difference in average fps.
In Dishonored 2 the 1070 Ti is at 42.1 and the 1080 Ti is at 61.4, you see where I'm going with this?
9 vs 12 would produce large dividends is everything else around the GPUs is mostly the same.
Would it? They basically had the same thing this gen, with the Xbox One being phased out for the new and improved Xbox One S and Xbox One X. If they release the Xbox Series X together with the X, there's still nothing stopping them from phasing out one of the models and replacing it with another one.
I am personally more attracted to Sony's more traditional approach of simply releasing the PS5 as their next-gen console as opposed to MS's supposed strategy of releasing a budget model and a high-end model. I think developers will optimize around the PS5 since it will be more popular and its power level sort of splits the difference between Lockhart and Series X. They'll start with the PS5 version, then tune it down for Lockhart and tune it up for X.
What I'm more concerned about is if Sony can deliver a well-engineered piece of console hardware. The PS4 Pro is obnoxiously loud and looks like 3 grey Wendy's meat patties sloppily stacked on top of each other.
I disagree. Sony didn't react to MS, MS reacted by going higher and lower than Sony attacking them on 2 fronts. They WI have the cheaper next Gen for casuals and faster for hard core players.
On the topic of Sony's BC, couldn't Sony's chip use 54 CUs and disable 1/3 of them for Pro BC and 2/3 of them for PS4 BC? With 54 CUs clocked at 1.8 ghz, you would get 12.44 TF. This all line up with both the previous rumors about PS5 and XBSX being very close, while PS5 being slightly stronger while also be inline the GitHub leaks if they were running BC tests with CUs disabled. Maybe this has already been brought up and it is not possible due to some restriction, I haven't read through all the posts yet.
Not really, 7850+ was midrange.
7970 would be more apt comparison. 5700 XT is the best AMD card out right now if you have a million dollars to spend.
I get the point of it being old.
Tested in an identical system the 1080 Ti is on average 41% faster at 4K.I saw some figures that said ~20% difference in framerates, but like I said that's two different generations, different amount of memory, bus speeds etc, and no game specific optimization. Here we're likely talking about similar amount of video memory, roughly the same bus speed, the same generation gpu and the same cpu. I don't think 3TF will matter much at all to be honest, definitely nothing worth the word "crazy", the difference will be easily masked out with optimization.
What? I was under the impression XBO actually had a slightly more capable CPU than PS4?